Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/April/10

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the stub template and/or category above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the template's or category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was upmerge

This category should be merged with :Category:Opera stubs as other genres of opera (there are about 20 of them) do not have individual stub cats. - Kleinzach 00:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

• Nicht zu vermischen! This seems to have been created as, in effect, a category redirect (generally a bad idea for stubs, since people won't be scratching their heads at a lack of an {{cl|Operetta stubs}}, they'd be wondering, if anything, about {{tl|Operetta-stub}} (which is unused, and categoryless, but could certainly be upmerged, just in case). So in short, speedy as empty. Alai 03:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• Not speediable Kleinzach restubbed the articles marked with {{tl|operetta-stub}} ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ba-ta-clan&diff=120131826&oldid=116959940 example]) and removed the stub cat from the template. StubSense being unable to update its en: database is actually useful for once and indicates that there were some 30 articles marked with {{tl|operetta-stub}} at one point, whic is a bit light for a category of its own, but would be enough for an upmerged template if we wanted to split {{cl|Opera stubs}} by genre. At over 600 stubs, the type is a candidate for splitting, though whether by genre would be the best split is debatable. Caerwine Caer’s whines 06:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• My bad, I looked a little too hastily at the history of the cat (which has never had a proper cat page, and at one point said "Currently, it is not possible to separate opera and operetta stubs."), and not at all at the history of the template. So amend that to: bad Kleinzach, upmerge template, delete cat slowly. Alai 06:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• {{cl|Operas by language}} also looks like a superficially plausible axis to split on. Alai 06:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• I've often thought that with the performance and literary arts splitting by language rather that country of origin would generally be more useful, and in this case where the permcats are split only by language it would definitely be the only option between the two. The only problem would be for cases such as Die Fledermaus where in addition to the original German libretto, an English translation is performed fairly often (at least here in the States it is). Caerwine Caer’s whines 00:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
• Opera buffs seem fairly hung up on original language as a sort of "genre", even if performed in translation, which is why I mention it here, even beyond the consideration of works-by-language in general. Not that I can hear what anyone's allegedly singing about, regardless of language. Four languages look liable, I'll drop a note at /P. Alai 03:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment. I have just discovered this discussion. I am not sure I understand the technicalities but please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Opera#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Operetta where I explained that i had de-populated this category and proposed its deletion. Originally I thought I was putting up a Cfd and then someone moved it here.

Perhaps I should explain? Operetta is one of a number of genres of opera. The others all have a fairly consistent category structure, but the operetta ones have been anomalous. Many of the articles - a lot of them minimal stubs - have been neglected. The idea behind deleting some of the categories, which incidentally were never used consistently, is to create a logical structure. This is important because we have a large number of articles: our projected coverage is now 1400+ works by 400+ composers, in addition to articles about singers, directors etc.

Regarding the {{cl|Operas by language}} the structure being followed is explained at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera. It's complicated but a lot of time and thought has gone into developing it.

Please let me know if I can clarify any other questions - as I explained above I was unaware of this discussion as it was not on my watchlist. Thank you, - Kleinzach 15:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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