Wikipedia:Teahouse#Deleted for not fitting the narrative.

Disney just aired a ad saying exactly that on Disney Channel.

Source: I'm watching it right now

Mickey Mouse Clubhouse+.

-bBr3adGD (talk) 15:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @-bBr3adGD, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:Saying what? I don't understand. ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::I think -bBr3adGD means for the July 21 2025 date mentioned in the lead, with a {{t|cn}} tag. A secondary source would be better. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Alternate source

:::https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/9/95/Mickey_Mouse_Clubhouse%2B_Poster.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20250614021436 -bBr3adGD (talk) 20:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::::The english poster for the show, with release date on the bottom left -bBr3adGD (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

A new addition to the asexual spectrum. Interdeimosexual or Contrafodiosexual, is a sexuality where someone may experience sexual attraction, and engages in sexual activity but draws the line at any form of penetration. Someone who is Interdeimosexual might enjoy mutual sexual activity, but has no desire, want, or fear of penetration. Kalexel (talk) 02:26, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:So what is your question, Kalexel? -- Hoary (talk) 02:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::I would like for someone to rewrite this definition and sexuality with better sources since I do not have the time or knowledge to do so, and am unsure how to create a proper page for it, but don't know how to request that, or how to really work wikipedia since I am very new to this side of it. Kalexel (talk) 02:37, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Not sure how easy researching this will be since I only see results for intersex and contrasexual when googling (the latter of which is similar to what you are suggesting). Someone might be able to find more with some digging. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 06:55, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::People have radically different interests, Kalexel. It's highly unlikely that anyone here will think "That sounds fascinating. Let me spend two hours at Google Scholar reading it up, then two more writing a draft about it!" At this point it's customary to recommend a trip to Wikipedia:Requested articles, but that's a waste of time. The key term here is DIY. -- Hoary (talk) 10:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::::@Kalexel Sounds to me that you would be better to start with Wiktionary but you will still need at least one reliable source for any word you add. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I was told to come here to ask if I could post these genre sources:

1. For For Your Love, there is an article (https://bluesrockreview.com/2024/11/10-british-bands-that-shaped-blues-rock.html) which says that this song is blues rock with experimental flair, so I was wondering if I can cite this song as blues rock and experimental rock
2. For Girls & Boys, I was wondering if I could cite the song as Eurodance by this [https://music.apple.com/us/album/parklife/699665183 article]. And alternative rock and synth-rock by this [https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-10-best-blur-songs/ article]
3. For Just What I Needed, can I cite this song as punk rock and hard rock by this [https://music.apple.com/us/album/complete-greatest-hits/1088530786 article]
4. For Cool Night, can I cite the song as soft rock by this [https://entertainment.expertscolumn.com/200-greatest-soft-rock-songs article]. And proto-chillwave by this [https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/tame-impala-slow-rush-soft-rock-influences-8551033/ article].
5. For Strawberry Fields Forever, can I cite the song as experimental rock by this [https://books.google.com/books?id=jtNtEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA15&dq=33+1/3+revolutions+per+minute&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiog7WtuouOAxXpSzABHR2jEkUQ6AF6BAgEEAM book]
6. For You Are What You Is, can I cite the song as boogie rock from this [https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/frank-zappa-you-are-what-you-is-feature/ article] which calls the song a “boogie”
7. For Radar Love, can I cite the song as blues rock by this [https://bluesrockreview.com/2024/02/10-timeless-blues-rock-songs-of-the-1970s.html article]. And progressive pop by this [https://www.loudersound.com/features/golden-earring-radar-love-moontan-prog article].
8. For Crosseyed and Painless, can I cite the song as electronica by this [https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/talking-heads/the-30-greatest-talking-heads-songs-ranked article]. And psychedelia, funk, and world music by this article by this [https://books.google.com/books?id=mCQEAAAAMBAJ&dq=&source=gbs_all_issues_r&cad=1 book]
9. For This Must Be the Place (Naive Melody), can I cite the song as indie rock by this [https://www.spin.com/2022/09/the-10-most-important-talking-heads-moments/ article]
10. For Psycho Killer, can I cite the song as shock rock by this [https://www.goldradiouk.com/features/song-lists/1977-songs-best-ranked/ article]
11. For Shakedown Street, can I cite the song as rock by this [https://www.allmusic.com/song/shakedown-street-mt0011897326 article], cite this song as R&B by this [https://archive.org/details/americanbookofde0000trag book], and disco by this [https://music.apple.com/us/album/shakedown-street/663672224 article]
12. For Pump It Up, can I cite the song as hard rock by this [https://books.google.com/books?id=X7-GZm2de98C&dq book]. And can I cite it as garage rock from this [https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/08/30/elvis-costello-20-best-albums-my-aim-roots/89541286/ article]
13. For When Doves Cry, can I cite the song as hard rock and progressive rock by this [https://books.google.com/books/about/Rock.html?id=HiwJAQAAMAAJ book]
14. For Tight Rope, can I cite the song as jazz rock by this [https://books.google.com/books?id=lJS4EArRBwoC book], cite this song as ragtime by this [https://chaospin.com/best-leon-russell-songs/ article], and circus music by this [https://americansongwriter.com/review-leon-russells-long-overdue-tribute-album-is-a-mixed-bag/ article]
15. For Johnny and Mary, can I cite the song as synth-rock by this [https://nialler9.com/album-of-the-week-todd-terje-its-album-time/ article]
16. For Major Tom (Coming Home), can I cite the song as space rock by this [https://web.archive.org/web/20160826113156/https://riverofrock.com/top-9-space-rock-songs/ article]
17. For I Wouldn't Want to Be Like You, can I cite the song as disco-rock by this [https://www.allmusic.com/album/i-robot-mw0000650611 article]
18. For Talking in Your Sleep, can I cite the song as a rock song by this [https://wcsx.com/listicle/15-rock-songs-turning-40-in-2023/ article]. Can I also cite the song as a garage rock song by this [https://books.google.com/books?id=XouvElhxOiMC book]
19. For Solsbury Hill, can I cite the song as arena rock by this [https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/peter-gabriel/20-greatest-peter-gabriel-songs-of-all-time-2 article]. Can I also cite it as folk rock by this [https://www.loudersound.com/features/peter-gabriel-best-albums article]

I’m sorry, I can get impatient with the talk pages, I was told to go here to ask help so I don’t get a vandalism warning, are the sources perfect? 209.96.222.65 (talk) 02:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you think they meet the reliable source guidelines, then I see no reason why you can't use them. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 11:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:IP editor. None of these sources look problematic to me. The worst that will happen if you cite them when you edit the various articles is that some other editor will revert your addition. If that happens, start a discussion on the talk page of the relevant article, pinging the person who reverted you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::Well the person was FlightTime phone and they said it was vandalism. Although, I was just editing Wikipedia 209.96.222.136 (talk) 14:30, :::25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I assume that this was at User talk:209.96.222.65. But I see no accusation of vandalism there. Maproom (talk) 15:24, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::On my talk pages, I was accused of vandalism and got a block warning for my edits on Come Sail Away, Baby, I Love You, and Talking in Your Sleep, although I edited them with reliable sources. 209.96.222.65 (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Neither User talk:209.96.222.65 nor User talk:209.96.222.136 has any mention of vandalism. What other talk pages do you have? Maproom (talk) 07:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm a fairly new editor who can't write an article just yet but I discovered a novel by Blake Varnadoe that meets wikipedia's guidelines for the notability of a book. It's titled Eclipsar, and has in-depth coverage by outlets including WAGA-TV and WTVM. Since I'm not that skilled yet, could someone write an article about this for me? Greattastingfruit (talk) 02:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:If it is notable as you say, someone will probably get around to writing an article about the book sometime or later. If you want to you can also try adding to Wikipedia:Requested articles, intended to show to editors who are looking for a topic to research and potentially create a new article on. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:11, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:Earlier, you suggested that you wanted an article about the writer because he wanted it. This novel of his: how did you "discover" it? -- Hoary (talk) 03:42, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|Draft:Kanni Wignaraja}}

Hello Teahouse community,

I’m currently working on a draft article about Kanni Wignaraja, a senior Sri Lankan UN official and development expert. Despite including multiple independent, reliable sources such as Project Syndicate, Nikkei Asia, Dag Hammarskjöld Foundation interviews, and various media appearances, my submission has been declined with feedback that it “is not adequately supported by reliable sources” and “does not demonstrate sufficient significant coverage to establish notability.”

I want to keep the draft’s content intact because it accurately reflects the subject’s career and impact, but I’m struggling to meet the notability and sourcing guidelines as stated by reviewers. I’m looking for advice or assistance from seasoned editors on how to:

Strengthen or restructure citations to clearly demonstrate independent significant coverage,

Address notability concerns effectively,

Improve referencing format and source selection without rewriting or removing the core content.

Any pointers, examples, or offers of help to review or guide the draft would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much for your time and support!

Best regards,

Karma Jamtsho (User: Jjamtshokkarma) Jjamtshokkarma (talk) 09:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:You were given advice when your draft was last declined, which I have now restored to the page. Since that last review, you have edited it considerably. If you feel it now meets the criteria for publication, resubmit it for review.

:However, if you are "struggling to meet the notability and sourcing guidelines", then it may be that the subject is not eligible for a Wikipedia article; see WP:TOOSOON.

:See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:37, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Jjamtshokkarma Just to say that {{tq|interviews, and various media appearances}} don't help with establishing notability, as they are not independent of the subject. They should only be used in a limited way as described at this page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I’m wondering, what does this purge page button do? Does it record in the logs? 2600:387:F:5719:0:0:0:3 (talk) 09:21, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:See Help:Purge; and no (at least not in the logs visible to users like us; who knows what the devs can see?). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:29, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Pigsonthewing How could devs see the purge logs? 2600:387:F:5719:0:0:0:3 (talk) 09:51, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Andy (or I, or anyone else) would have to be a dev to know. Perhaps a dev will happen to read this query and answer, but there might be a good reason for devs not to give non-devs such information. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.41.216 (talk) 14:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I did not say "devs can see the purge logs". I said "who knows what the devs can see?" Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

what is

https://intake-analytics.wikimedia.org/v1/events?hasty=true

Piñanana (talk) 11:44, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:Piñanana, your link doesn't work for me (and I've removed it from the section heading). Intake analytics are part of the way that Wikimedia logs the use of their sites. See [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Decision_Science/Data_glossary/Clickthrough_Rate this page] for a rather technical partial explanation which includes a link to where the code is hosted on github. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::it shows up in browser plugin logs

::Piñanana (talk) 12:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::"Hyperlink auditing"

:::Piñanana (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

What should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BurningB (talk • contribs) 14:12, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:and Bangladeshi, not sure about Pakistan. BurningB (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::I don't know what they call it BurningB (talk) 14:18, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @BurningB, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:::Since a large-scale change like that may be controversial, the first thing you should do is to open a discussion on either WT:WikiProject India or WT:WikiProject Television, and get consensus for the change.

:::I suggest putting it on the Television project talk page, and put a note on the India talk page pointing to the discussion.

:::You might find a lot of people agree with you, and it's easy to get consensus. Alternatively you might find that few people agree with you: if that happens it's your responsibility, if you still want to pursue it, to persuade people that your suggestion is a good one. ColinFine (talk) 15:07, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:Be sure you understand what "web" means. You might, instead, be thinking of "internet", or "streaming". Bazza 7 (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|BurningB}} If you refer to article names then try some searches of Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television), e.g. finding Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)/Archive 16#Series disambiguators for streaming platforms. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

If a song is described as having a “garage band” sound, should I cite the song as garage rock -- 209.96.222.67 (talk) 15:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:In what sense do you wish to "cite" it? Do you mean categorize it? Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes 209.96.222.65 (talk) 17:15, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

If a song is described as having an “arena-ready chorus”, should I cite the song as arena rock -- 209.96.222.67 (talk) 15:20, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:You would need to use what the source says. So if the source says it's actually electropop but has an "arena-ready chorus" it would still be electropop. If the source provides no input on the genre at all then you would not use it to cite the genre. aquarium substrate^talk 16:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::in particular you may wish to slow down or use the talk pages to discuss changes before adjusting the genre. perhaps check out wikiproject music for some advice. aquarium substrate^talk 16:40, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I am attempting to submit a page Draft:David Evans Shaw as a biography. I have made two attempts. The first editors critique I understood and I removed issues related to "puffery" and this seems to have been resolved. On the second submission, I have received a rejection based on the comment that it needs to be written in a more neutral voice eg "encyclopaedic" there is also a mention of more varied references. I believe I have cited significant verifiable references, but have added more, and I have gone through and further tried to make the tone more neutral but am struggling to understand what about the article is problematic. Could someone take a look and give me some assistance to get this over the "neutral" hurdle? Draft:David Evans Shaw. Thanks in advance

{{Reflist}} Profberger (talk) 15:25, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you haven't checked the notices at the top of your draft I would suggest you do so. The links there do provide the best advice to improve the article, which anyone is likely to repeat here.

:I personally would suggest reading the article aloud to yourself to see how it sounds. Or to check out various featured article biographies as those are well-made articles that can serve as an idea of what you should aim for in your writing.

:The teahouse isn't really for pre-reviews but you should check out the reliable sources page in particular along with the notability page. I glanced over this and most of the references seem to be press releases from companies directly connected to Shaw. aquarium substrate^talk 16:24, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Profberger}}: here's something that will be easy to fix. Section headers should be in sentence case, not headline case or all-caps. Maproom (talk) 07:33, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

HI, I have gone through WP:Disambiguation, but it does not say how to create such a page? We need one for:

Hazel Smith - Wikipedia and Hazel Smith (writer) - Wikipedia? Thanks! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 17:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:Just create a page titled "Hazel Smith (disambiguation)", and then link the two separate articles with a short blurb about each. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:38, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::I have added a hatnote to Hazel Smith. As there is a primary topic with one other topic, I don't think a disambig page is necessary. JuniperChill (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I have a question. An editor tried to add content to a BLP article, but I reverted it due to the lack of a reliable source. He later messaged me and admitted that he couldn't find a reliable source for the information, but still wanted to include it with a citation needed tag added to his own edit.

From what I understand, the citation needed tag is generally used for existing unsourced content, not for adding new information that can't be verified. Is it acceptable for an editor to add content they know can't be sourced and just tag it with citation needed? - Arcrev1 (talk) 00:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Arcrev1, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is not acceptable, as the editor is intentionally introducing original research.

:Ideally, {{tl|cn}} would never be used, because anybody finding uncited information would either find a source or remove the information, but in practice that often doesn't happen. I would call it disruptive editing to add the template when the information is first inserted. ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello all! I have recently come across an article with what I perceived to be of low quality and want to fix it. I have outlined the problems in its talk page, and would like some help on judging the extent of modification and approach, thank you all very much for your time! 3turtl (talk) 01:01, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @3turtl, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:Your comment has only been there a few hours: wait a couple of days more to see if anybody else comments.

:Then either be bold and start editing the article (I recommend a number of separate edits rather than one huge change); or raise the matter at WP:TAIWAN ColinFine (talk) 09:07, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

why is there no option to send draft for review?? BurningB (talk) 01:25, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:please tell me BurningB (talk) 01:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::@BurningB If you are talking about Draft:Goldmines Telefilms, then you have successfully submitted it for review. Adding {{subst:submit}} did the trick and added the article into the queue of drafts waiting for review. You will now need to wait for someone to get to your draft and review it, so please be patient. However, the draft was started by @Tushar3011, so I pinged them. Generally, it is good practice to let the creator of the draft know if you are contributing to it. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes, I was waiting for a response, but no one responded, so I checked the Draft article on Wikipedia and got there.BurningB (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::::So, I have to let them know when editing or submitting?@Justjourney BurningB (talk) 03:34, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@BurningB The reason why I said that is because I encountered this idea before, and asked the teahouse here. @Jéské Couriano (pinging) told me that editors often get annoyed when they step in and help. However, according to WP:DRAFTMOVE, it says that any editor can jump in and help out with a draft, as the editing policy applies to drafts as well. I said it is good practice to ask the editor, but you're not required to do so. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::but why Wikipedia Not your own apply here??? BurningB (talk) 03:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I'm talking about a page i read BurningB (talk) 03:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Sorry, but I don't understand your question, please write it again. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 04:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::WP:NOT OWN or something idk, says not your property or something BurningB (talk) 04:05, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Wikipedia:Ownership of content this BurningB (talk) 04:06, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::That's exactly what WP:DRAFTMOVE says, that you don't own drafts, and other editors can take action on it. I was just saying what my experience was with the Teahouse question (I asked back in February 2025) that I mentioned earlier. See Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1248#Helping_with_a_draft. That was what [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1248#c-J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano-20250217174200-Justjourney-20250217174000 another editor said] (@Jéské Couriano). Justjourney (talk | contribs) 04:12, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::So you should decide whether to notify the draft's creator or not. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 04:13, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::Thank you @Justjourney. do you know how many days it needs to be reviewed? BurningB (talk) 05:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::BurningB, near the top of Draft:Goldmines Telefilms we read "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 2–3 weeks or more..." -- Hoary (talk)

I was looking at the history section of "7075 Aluminium Alloy" and noticed that the page claims that the alloy was made in secret in 1935. However, the source cited states that, "by 1935 (Showa 10), the Super Duralumin alloy had already been developed" and says nothing about it being made in secrecy. I then decided to check the citations of the article cited in the Wikipedia citation. Through this, I verified that the inventor of aluminium 7075 started working on the project in 1935, published a paper about it in July of that year, and filed for a patent in 1936. However, there was still no claim of all this being done in secret.

Would this be an incorrect citation? Can someone find out whether or not the secrecy claim is true? Am I overreacting to an incredibly mundane problem? What should people do when they come across citations that only verify part of a claim?

Thanks! Woodenturnip (talk) 02:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:If theres no source stating that the alloy was secretly developed, then the best course of action is to remove that claim. If a source can be found, then add another citation to the claim, verifying the statement about secrecy. Anyways, this would be better discussed on that article's talk page. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::Gotcha. Thank you! Woodenturnip (talk) 02:25, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Perhaps there was a misreading, because the use of the alloy was a secret in the airframe of the Prototype 12 plane that became the Zero. One of the planes was captured, revealing the viability of the new allow to the United States. [https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/matertrans/64/2/64_MT-LA2022019/_html/-char/en This paper] on the history of Extra Super Duralumin uses the word 'secret' twice, and only in reference to the Zero that was captured. Hope that source can help. Just Al (talk) 22:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

This subject is closed to me,i've already added news references on that page,help to make that page permanent Ranjeetsharmajournalist (talk) 03:35, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:What's your question? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 04:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Perhaps this is somehow related to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Real Khabar. -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

The Thirty Days of Christmas is a English Christmas carol, folksong, parody song, counting out, and nursery rhyme. it has a Roud Folk Song Index of 1178. 2604:F6C0:5054:A800:CD9E:49B5:D03B:1101 (talk) 05:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Do you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 06:39, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello there fellow Wikipedians, I'm very new. But, please explain why do few Roblox games, that are Dress to Impress, Grow a Garden, and Sonic Speed Simulator have their own Wikipedia articles, while others games, such as Natural Disaster Survival, and Forsaken, have not? Are there still drafts related to separate Roblox games? NoteTaking3690 (talk) 05:20, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @NoteTaking3690. Notability on Wikipedia can be a strange concept. Articles are not created based on popularity, but the amount of reliable, secondary sourcing that prove the subject is notable on its own right.

:Perhaps those articles don't exist simply because no one tried yet. You can attempt to create your own/improve someone else's drafts and submit them to WP:AFC for publication, but success is unlikely. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 05:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Tarlby Ok, I took a look at the reference section in all of these three articles and I'm extremely surprised that all of these games are covered in significant media coverage, especially on the game journalism. I tried searching on Google, but would all of these games, (Dress to Impress, Grow a Garden, and Sonic Speed Simulator) be featured in news also?

::I found a link that featured Roblox games: [https://www.thegamer.com/roblox-best-restaurant-cafe-management-games/] NoteTaking3690 (talk) 05:38, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::I also understand that the success is unlikely, when attempting to create a draft. NoteTaking3690 (talk) 22:23, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

It is based in humour, but is it? Apologies if it is. I will change it if it is considered. StopLookingAtMe1 (talk) 07:53, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:yes BurningB (talk) 09:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{Ping|BurningB}} Your account is two days old. Maybe you should avoid answering questions here until you understand more about Wikipedia and its policies and practices. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::sorry BurningB (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:It doesn't even slightly offend me. (I don't understand why it might do so.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:No. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|StopLookingAtMe1}}. I don't think it's offensive, no. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:32, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I just updated an article named ''Kingdom of Northern Lusitania" and i wanted to know if i did a good job. This is my first and i want join the community and i want to learn from others and improve on my mistakes. I am sorry if i waste your time with more important madders but it would mean a lot. Historyguy4111 (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Historyguy4111, which part of this article is derived from which of the (very vaguely described) sources listed at its foot? Please use references to indicate this. -- Hoary (talk) 10:06, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:WP:Referencing for beginners may help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:20, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|Draft:Matthew Tree Project }}

Hello, I am seeking help and guidance with the draft article The Matthew Tree Project, which was recently declined. The article was carefully written to comply with Wikipedia’s tone, neutrality, and notability guidelines. I removed all citations that did not offer in-depth coverage of the subject and focused only on reliable, independent, secondary sources. I also ensured the tone was factual and not promotional. Despite this, the draft was rejected again with a standard comment stating that the sources “do not show the subject qualifies” and that it “reads more like an advertisement,” which I respectfully do not believe reflects the latest revision. I would appreciate the input of more experienced editors to: Review whether the current sources do, in fact, support notability Suggest improvements I may not be seeing Advise whether this article has a realistic path toward approval Any advice or assistance would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Mark180378 (talk) 09:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Mark180378, and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft reads like what the Charity wants people to know about itself.

:{{HD/WINI}}

:I haven't looked at all your sources, but the ones I have looked at are either not independent of the Project (interviews etc), or do not contain significant coverage of them. (The Mayor of London source doesn't seem even to mention the project).

:You need to evaluate all your sources against WP:42, make sure that you have several which do meet all the criteria there, and then make sure that your draft says only what those sources say.

:One of the things that makes writing with a COI difficult (thank you for disclosing your COI!) is that what you know about the subject is irrelevant, except where it is verified by a reliable and in most cases independent, published source. ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi ColinFine, thank you for your time you have spent reviewing this and for positing this helpful comment. Your reference to the London Assembly report sums up the challenge in writing the article as per the guidelines, in this case it seems the guideline to only use in-depth citations is at odds with referencing points of interest, i.e. in The Guardian editorial (link provided in article) Patrick Butler states "The MTP's work was cited as "possible model for the capital" in a recent London assembly investigation into food poverty. Labour member Fiona Twycross, who led the investigation, said she was struck by its long-term approach to finding a route out of poverty for clients. "Food banks are not things we should expect in our society. But I liked the Matthew Tree ethos. It was substantially less disempowering than others we saw." This statement from the Mayor of London has a prominent place in the final report and therefore is considered of notable value given the significance of the statement. It is very hard for a Wikipedia novice, like myself, to know how to write about, and link to, notable external information such as this within the guidelines, which is why I am asking for some experienced, independent assistance. Mark180378 (talk) 10:48, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Mark180378, you write about "the guideline to only use in-depth citations". There is no such guideline. Yes, you need to cite sources that deal with the subject in depth and are independent of it. But this doesn't exhaust the possibilities. You can additionally make a very limited use of sources that aren't independent of the subject (simply, in order to back up what can't be described as achievements); and, as long as they are reliable and independent of the subject you can additionally make considerable use of sources that don't go into depth about the subject. -- Hoary (talk) 11:37, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::PS "WP:42" isn't a list of what's acceptable as source material for an article. It's instead a list of what's acceptable as material "To establish notabiity [sic]". Once notabi(l)ity is established, you may not add shovelfuls of stuff gleaned from corporate brochures, interview transcripts, PR puffs and the like. (Indeed, you'd be wise to add none.) You may, however, add material backed up by rather fleeting descriptions within articles that are mostly about other matters, if these articles are from reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 11:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

is anyone able to edit an article and translate it and publish the translation 213.204.67.101 (talk) 09:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Edit an article where? Translate it and publish it where? -- Hoary (talk) 09:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey. I am now again getting problems in showing the area of Faculty of Law, University of Delhi. I am not able to figure out the problem. Is there a place where I can read of common problems since I get issues in displaying map a lot. KhubsuratInsaan (talk) 09:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:You're using mapframe, so Help:Mapframe. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for the article. I can see I have already read it, but unfortunately I am not able to find the problem in this particular case. KhubsuratInsaan (talk) 11:37, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Try asking on its talk page, or at WP:VPT (but not both!), for more specialised help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I created a page for the television and magazine star Siobhan Wykes, who is very popular at the moment with her work at Best and on Vanessa.

The page can be found here. Draft:Siobhan Wykes

Basically, the person who seems to work for Wikipedia said this, followed by a couple of passive-aggressive remarks. "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). "

I've cited several references that were not created by the subject, such as the Hearst page which outlines her work and also Vanessa's YouTube page.

I've kept the article relevant, factual and backed it up with reliable sources e.g. not just hear say on gossip forums. The subject has a notable online profile and career both in front and behind the camera/microphone in broadcasting.

Has anyone else had such difficulty in getting their pages approved? At-least I tried! Thanks all. Mort22 (talk) 11:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Mort22}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and we usually advise that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles, and using the new user tutorial first, before attempting it.

:YouTube is not an acceptable source as it is user-generated, unless the video is from a reputable news outlet on their verified channel.

:The other source is a very brief biography by her employer, which is not an independent source. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they are a notable person. 331dot (talk) 11:36, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{tq|I've cited several references that were not created by the subject, such as the Hearst page which outlines her work and also Vanessa's YouTube page.}} Neither Hearst nor Vanessa are independent of Wykes, as they both employ her. See WP:INDEPENDENT for more information about what an independent source is and why we require them.

:Creating new articles, especially about living people, is one of the most difficult things for new users to learn on Wikipedia. It might be helpful to gain more experience editing before trying to create an article. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:39, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Tq|1="the person who seems to work for Wikipedia"}} They are here as a volunteer, as are we all. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:And those "passive aggressive remarks" are standard templates – around 100,000 different people edit on Wikipedia every month, making many millions of edits between them – replies to standard problems have to be standardised "boilerplate", or the workload of the 'regular' editors (all volunteers) would be impossible. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195) 94.6.41.216 (talk) 17:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:It would be useful to read Wikipedia:Referencing for Beginners, so as to include usefully formatted references rather than bare links which really aren't much help to anyone. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi to the admins and community,

I think it would be helpful to voters and activists, and consistent with Wikipedia's mission to add a congressional district map page. The idea being that a reader could search by their zip code or click on their state and subsequently their district. The current pages for congressional districts are heavily (admirably) info laden. I think it would be helpful for the proposed map to bring the reader to a concise page that lists the current representatives, candidates in upcoming elections and their key positions, votes needed to flip the seat, and Dem/Rep vote breakdown in last election.

Thank you for your consideration! 2601:201:8E84:9640:CDCD:A59A:B47B:F2F2 (talk) 19:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you familiar with [https://ballotpedia.org/Main_Page Ballotpedia]? _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

The page :Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest edit requests has dozens of requests for pages and contain nothing but a corporate logo, the stock price, and a list of other companies they have swallowed up (merged with). Many of the requests have extensive comments from editors, but nobody has referred them for deletion as not notable under WP:COMPANY#Primary criteria. Am I missing something?

It says: A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject ... If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable ... Julian in LA (talk) 19:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Julian in LA: I guess very few people want to do the work outlined in WP:BEFORE that is needed to establish whether the article should be deleted. Per WP:NEXIST, notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, regardless of whether they are currently in the article. You are welcome to send them to WP:Articles for deletion if you are unable to find sources to add to the articles, but keep in mind that lots of good sources are hard to find. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{u|Julian in LA}}, Wikipedia editors have deleted over 400,000 articles through the Articles for Deletion process and there are two other deletion processes as well. I routinely tag drafts and articles about non-notable companies for speedy deletion. Therefore, your comment that {{tpq|nobody has referred them for deletion as not notable}} is incorrect. That happens constantly and it is a lot of work to process all of them. You can help out. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Where can I buy and purchase merchandise from Wikipedia that is official and do books actually count as merchandise? SellingPoint15 (talk) 23:05, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{yo|SellingPoint15}} Please see [https://store.wikimedia.org/ here] for the Wikimedia Foundation's official merch store. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I am having a hard time uploading my picture from my computer into my article. I have tried various of methods but none seems too works and some others show me some random picture that weren't related to my content at all. Nguyen The Gia Hung (talk) 02:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:You don't upload it from your computer to an article, Nguyen The Gia Hung. If it's a photograph that you took (if you own the copyright), then you upload it to Wikimedia Commons (here). Once it's there, it can be added to any article here (or in Vietnamese-language Wikipedia, etc). It can also be added by anyone, to anything; e.g. to a website that promotes a political party that you detest. So be sure to read the "small print". -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::So how do I put the image into my article again? And I tried finding pic on wiki but there wasnt any image that its related. I have the link, and the name of the author who took the picture, and all of the info abt the pic but I can't put up the image on my wiki article, don't know if that help or will I get strike by copy right again. Btw, thankyou for the reply, helps alot and sry for my english Nguyen The Gia Hung (talk) 03:07, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Nguyen The Gia Hung, if you're sure that it's yours to upload and that you're happy to upload it, then the first thing you do is go to Wikimedia Commons' "upload wizard" and follow the instructions to upload it. (You [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Nguyen_The_Gia_Hung&ilshowall=1 haven't done this yet].) When you've completed the process at Wikipedia Commons, that website will tell you what code -- File:..... -- you should put in your draft or article. Copy this, and paste it where you want it to go. The result is likely to be good as is; but for more help, try Help:Menu/Images and media. -- Hoary (talk) 08:40, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Currently I am writing an article about Vietnam nuclear development. I am completely new to this whole Wiki stuff, and it would mean the world to me if someone can help me edit (make section, upload image, copyright), I am available to call, or simply chat. Nguyen The Gia Hung (talk) 02:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:Firstly you will have to write articles here in English. The vi.wikipedia.org may welcome contributions in Vietnamese. Assume everything is copyright unless you can prove otherwise. So most images are not acceptable. I would suggest that you find your sources first, and then base your text on those sources. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::And @Nguyen The Gia Hung, Help:Introduction is a good place to learn about contributing to wikipedia. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 04:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:Looking at your sandbox, you were writing a huge background as if you were writing a report. This is an encyclopedia, so we do have other articles, so you do not have to write how the technology works. Instead write about the nuclear reactors, nuclear weapons, history, Government departments, laws and policies, nuclear medicine, study research and institutions, famous people connected to the subject. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:26, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

: Draft:It's Okay to Not Be Okay (Philippine TV series)

Can this draft go to mainspace since it will release on July and are the sources good enough to go to mainspace? 203.177.220.207 (talk) 02:40, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you think that the draft is ready, then submit it. Just as other people have to do with their drafts. -- Hoary (talk) 02:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

I have a suggestion that each paragraph of a wiki could have a little question board to not only stimulate community engagement and discussion but also to raise educational effectiveness.

I would envision the board to be a little button next to each paragraph or maybe even on the bottom right that expands into a comment and question section.

WIKIPEDIA DEVELOPERS PLEASE I LOVE YOU!

best wisherings, sigma lazalical51. 2603:8081:9C00:21E7:6DC4:2395:99C:6097 (talk) 03:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:Well this wiki is so big that there are several question boards. You found one here. For questions beyond the teahouse there are the villiage pumps and reference desks. WP:RD is a directory page to point you to different pages for questions. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please also note that Wikipedia is specifically not a discussion forum. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello! I recently submitted a draft article titled User:FluxGen/sandbox, but it was deleted on June 10, 2025, under G11 (advertising). I now understand the guidelines and would like to revise it properly using reliable, independent sources. I have requested a copy from the deleting admin (Waggers), but haven’t heard back yet. Could someone please help me recover a copy of the deleted page so I can rewrite it in a neutral tone? Thank you! Rahul Upadhyay at FluxGen (talk) 07:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:Remember to declare any conflict of interest by following instructions found here: Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. If you are being paid to edit Wikipedia on behalf of a company, then also read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. After you have declared your conflict of interest, you can work on the article in your sandbox then request it be moved into Mainspace at Article for Creation. Any edits you wish to make to an article should be requested.

:For help on editing, check out Help:Editing and the five pillars of Wikipedia, especially the part about reliable sources. Wikipedia also has notability rules and notability guidelines that determine what can and cannot be an article, with specific guidelines for companies. TurboSuperA+_(connect) 07:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:You also asked this at the help desk. Please don’t ask in multiple places. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 07:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, hope all is well. I wanted to ask for assistance with a historic school page that I've started: Caswell County Training School

Thanks for your assistance. It needs some more references, which are available online and it needs to look more like a school page. Unfortunately, my time is limited at the moment. Thanks so much! It's important historic preservation work and means a lot! Peabodyb (talk) 07:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

:Peabodyb, the time of every one of us is limited. The article looks promising. A couple of minor points: (i) The article starts by saying that this "was a historic school". Is it no longer historic? (But what would that mean: That it was subsequently forgotten by the history in which it once appeared?) (ii) I think that you can find the very little time that would be needed to update your curious user page. -- Hoary (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)