Wikipedia:Teahouse#Lengthy ANI discussion archived without a resolution

Hiya, do we have any policies/guidelines for archiving article talk pages? Or can I just cut-and-paste stuff when it gets too long? Thanks, GoldRomean (talk) 00:13, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:@GoldRomean, I don't think there are any specific guidelines on when to archive, it is just needed on long talk pages. WP:ARCHIVE has all the technical information on archiving, I would suggest setting up one of the archive bots as it will do it without human intervention. If you need more help feel free to ask or take a look at how other article talk pages are archived. Best, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 00:48, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Gotcha, thanks! GoldRomean (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@GoldRomean, just to add to that, since most talk pages aren't archived, because they don't get enough action, people are very likely to assume that there is no archive if you let an archive bot run at the default settings. I'd suggest raising both the minimum number of allowed threads and the maximum thread age, so that more conversations stay on the talk page. It's very annoying for the same conversation to come up again and again every year or couple of months. -- asilvering (talk) 17:40, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Further to this, keeping a minimum of four threads ({{para|minthreadsleft|4}}) ensures that a table of contents is shown. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:52, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I am trying to understand what about the content on this page (Jayanthi Kumaresh) appears promotional. It earlier was indeed so (unintentionally) and has hence been edited to present a more neurtral tone and amply supported by citations. The tagger has indicated that there is still lots of puffery. Will anyone kindly help me review and edit the article to adhere to the wiki standards. Thank you.

Shyamala. Shyamalswiki (talk) 03:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Phrases such as {{tq|represent India’s Musical Heritage and promote Indian classical music; rigorous Veena training; renowned violinist; excelled in sparkling glee; gave a sold-out concert at Sydney Opera House}} all come across as promotional. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::“excelled in sparkling glee" is a quote from a review. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes, but a cherry-picked quote. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::::There are about 150 or so links where I do a google search and I am trying to figure out how to make an article about the subject using content from those sources. So, should I just be quoting lines from each of the articles - I thought, we could make factual statements and then give citations supporting it. Can you kindly pick one line out of the article and show me a rewritten version as a sample so I can understand what is wrong ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I have removed some of the content you pointed out as appearing promotional. Kindly review. If it appears ok, what would be the next step to get the promotional tag removed ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 03:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Upon assessing page notability it has come up a lot where people dispute whether or not a certain notability criterion applies, therefore it remains unclear, is it up to us or policies to determine notability? In other words which comes first criterion or consensus? 

If policy comes first, then is consensus on notability about whether such-and-such criterion applies on a given subject?

If consensus comes first, then we can dispute til Sunday, everything from the reliability of reliable sources, to the credibility of notability guidelines. Xpander (talk) 13:03, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Policy should be put before a guideline, so consensus is most important. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:07, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{u|Xpander1}}, if policies and guidelines were always crystal clear and indisputable, then we could simply have bots or "Artificial Intelligence" make the decisions for us. But they aren't that cut and dried. There are always edge cases requiring nuanced decisions. So that is why Wikipedia is a consensus based project. Keep in mind that policies and formal guidelines are the product of community wide consensus. Local consensus in a debate about a specific topic can make specific decisions about that topic but can never override established policies. Guidelines usually contain language such as {{tpq|Editors should generally follow it, though exceptions may apply.}} Cullen328 (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::So we can easily reach biased consensus if the participants share a similar point-of-view. What makes it possible to avoid that?

:::Unless we are presupposing that the community is diverse enough, participating in every decision-making process, we can't guarantee consensus is not biased or arbitrary. Therefore aren't we betting too much on consensus? Xpander (talk) 08:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Nothing in the World is perfect. Here we do the best we can, and we have over 20 years' of continually refined communal experience doing it. If you have concrete suggestions for how to do it better, with no counterbalancing drawbacks (such as making a process too unwieldy), suggest them, preferably at the WP:Village pump. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.81.243 (talk) 11:08, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello are there people here who can help edit and finish a wiki page that has already been started? 73.60.75.31 (talk) 15:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Generally, no.

:But you can ask on a relevant WikiProject and you might get lucky. If you tell us which article you have in mind, we can advise more specifically. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:33, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::Wikipedia articles aren't generally ever considered finished. New information may always come to light on any given topic, and there's always scope for improvement. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:13, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I was wondering how I can create better articles and improve on the current draft that I submitted? NathanielTheGreatEditor (talk) 19:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|NathanielTheGreatEditor}} Looking at the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Fatality_(gamer)&oldid=1294284574 current state] of Draft:Fatality (gamer), my suggestions to you would be to familiarise yourself with how to use inline citations, to read Wikipedia:Reliable sources and to gain an understanding of Wikipedia:Notability, as summarised usefully at WP:GOLDENRULE (this latter point may or may not not help you with improve that draft, but it will help when it comes to selecting topics to write about in future). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:NathanielTheGreatEditor, I second what {{U|Cordless Larry}} says above. You've been editing for just three or four days. With so little experience, attempting to create a draft that will be accepted as an article is going to be very tough. You should first get more experience of improving existing, defective articles. One that you've already (and beneficially) tinkered with is SuperX (Operating System). Here's a sample of the article in its current state: {{Olive|The operating system embraces beginners, casual users and makes them feel at home. Simplicity doesn't mean feature-less. SuperX is as powerful and very handy for professionals and experts alike. The GNU utilities plus the software packages available are enough to be used for any task. SuperX is perfectly capable of being a desktop publishing setup, multimedia hub or even server.}} An exercise for you on your path towards GreatEditorNess: (i) Does this look OK? (ii) If it doesn't look OK, how might it be improved? Improve it. (iii) Also, if it doesn't look OK, what else in the article shares one or more of its problems? Fix it. (iv) But if the sample above does look OK, then take a break from editing Wikipedia for one or two days, and then reread and rethink. -- Hoary (talk) 22:49, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

I am writing an article on Carl Marsh, the composer, arranger and conductor. Sometimes when I go to publish/save my work I get the error message "Content is not properly deflated" with no explanation and I can't find this matter explained anywhere. I am sourcing all of my claims. What does this error message mean? How can I fix the error?

Confused,

Chris King Chriskingstl (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Chriskingstl, welcome to the Teahouse. I guess the message is MediaWiki:Deflate-invaliddeflate: "Content provided is not properly deflated". It's not your fault. The documentation says "Error message if the content passed to Deflate was not deflated (compressed) properly". It indicates a problem in your browser, our software, or the communication between them. What is your browser? Does it happen every time for the same edit? Can you try the same edit in another browser? It appears to mostly or only happen in VisualEditor and not the source editor. There is a little discussion but no fix at phab:T381673. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi! My article submission was declined on 6 June 2025 for not having adequate reliable sources. I want to improve it but I’m not sure which sources are considered reliable or how to fix the referencing. Could someone please review my draft and guide me?

Here is the draft link: Draft:Ajami Records. Samikanawati (talk) 22:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Samikanawati}}, it looks like the reviewers are telling you that you need more reliable and independent source material to demonstrate that the subject is notable (and some special guidelines apply regarding the notability of organizations and companies). You can see how sources are evaluated for reliability here, and for independence here. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Samikanawati, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of whatseveral people who have no connection whatever with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. See WP:Golden rule for the criteria that your sources must meet. Neither of your sources comes anywhere near this: WP:DISCOGS is not regarded as a reliable source because it is user-generated, and Elaph (as far as I can tell from Google Translate) has only a passing mentin of Ajami Records.

:You need to begin by finding several sources which meet all the criteria in WP:Golden Rule - if you cannot, then you will know that the label does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability and there is no point in spending more time on this. (Sources do not have to be in English, but they must meet those criteria).

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 11:01, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I recently asked about this topic but more focused on , making an article for Edie Saccone Joly, the 11-year old trans daughter member of the Saccone-Joly family. Everyone agreed that there is only one article on a reliable source and that its an interview so not really reliable.This would be a case of WP:Too soon. However, thinking about an article on the whole family, I found that there are four or five articles on reliable sources that cover the family in deep. And this is not even counting the articles on non reliable sources. Anyways I have been thinking about making an article, a stub perhaps, covering the entire family with some basic information. What do you guys think? Also, no Im not related to them. But Im running out of nicknames so im using their last names as my nickname on this comment!Jeanette Saconne-Joly Martin (dynamite me!) 03:46, 7 June, 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|JeanetteMartin}}, if you have found four or five articles in reliable sources that cover a subject in depth, and if these sources are independent of the subject, then it sounds as if the subject is eligible for an article. (There are exceptions, but I shan't go into these.) But I have to say that I'm wary of articles on families: these tend to be concoctions of snippets about minor matters (or mere trivia) related to individual members of the family, few (if any) of whom are actually notable. I've never heard of the family or of Edie Saccone Joly: when I ask Google for material about ESJ, it serves me a pile of sources that would be utterly unsatisfactory for a Wikipedia article. ¶ Your name here is JeanetteMartin: adding a nickname to it doesn't help communication with other editors, using as a nickname the surname of a family you hope to write about strikes me as a poor idea. -- Hoary (talk) 08:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|JeanetteMartin}} Please deal with the issue of your signature, as advised on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:52, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::Something's happening that I cannot log on to my account of JeanetteMartin. I emailed Wikipedia but they have not answered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanettemartinfortrump (talk • contribs) 12:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I do not think that {{U|JeanetteMartin}} has set an email for the account. Without that, password recovery is unlikely. One should always set the email to recover an account. Peaceray (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::: That is probably it. But something strange also happened because the new account the site wants to give me is "JeanetteMartinfortrump" which Im fine with except for the fact its kind of...political...and this happened right after I signed a message in which I mentioned making an article about a family whose members include a transgender daughter and identified on my signature with them....and its also well known that I myself am transgender and work at a porn chat line, so without suspecting anyone in particular, it's kinda....iffy...... ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse&diff=1294645232&oldid=1294641168 Added] by Jeanettemartinfortrump)

::::: Jeanettemartinfortrump, however it was that you acquired the user ID "Jeanettemartinfortrump", if you don't like it, then don't use it. Instead, create a new user ID, log in with that ID, follow {{U|Peaceray}}'s excellent advice above about email, and, optionally, mention on your new user page that you were previously "JeanetteMartin". -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I wish i could go back to using JeanetteMartin with the 4,000 plus articles I created...I have plans for many other articles....but if not, Im seriously thinking these days that maybe it's time after 22 years, to take a step away.

:::::I mean, I actually saw my work at Wikipedia as my legacy in this world. None of the articles were mine of course but I started them and in that way, that is something I made. I would love to be able to go back to collaborate as JeanetteMartin, with my contribution history.... Jeanettemartinfortrump (talk) 06:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I've made a draft article in my sandbox but don't know where to find it. I also labelled it an abbreviation instead of its full name because I thought it would just be for me

Thank you for your time ForFawkesSake (talk) 09:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your edit history shows this Draft:RSU 13 ME. Theroadislong (talk) 09:55, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The abbreviated name is not a problem, because when you eventually, via Wikipedia:Articles for creation, submit the Draft for review, the reviewer will (probably even if they Decline it for further improvement, and certainly if they Accept it) amend (by moving) the title to what they think most appropriate.

:However, at the moment, if submitted the Draft will certainly be Declined, for the reason that the previous commenter has placed at the top.

:To qualify for an article, a subject has to be WP:Notable, as demonstrated by citing most of its contents to published Reliable sources completely independent of the subject; only minor uncontroversial facts can be corroborated by sources connected to the subject (such as its own website) and these do not count towards notability.

:So far your draft cites no sources at all, and appears to be based entirely on the subject's website. Most of what you have included should have inline citations to its sources (presumably the website) but the Educational Initiatives section should be removed (Wikipedia is not interested in subjects' own 'mission statements' and the like).

:You need to find several sources completely independent of the subject (which excludes material based on its press releases, or on interviews with its staff) and build the article with summaries of those. To use a culinary analogy, the material you have so far is mostly allowable garnishing, but none of it is the main ingredients. And of course if you cannot identify and use these ingredients, Wikipedia will not accept the recipe. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.81.243 (talk) 10:54, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I have created an article @ User:Born A Geek/Scanty, but the article is not available publicly, is there something I didn’t do or any suggestion on how to make it public Born A Geek (talk) 12:00, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, you created your article in the wp:userspace, where it is not visible to the public. The userspace is a place for you to quietly develop your draft or introduce yourself as an editor. To make the article available to public, it has to be in the mainspace, where all articles reside. Technically, you can move your article to mainspace by yourself, but I don't think it is ready to be moved yet. Per Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic (see WP:42). The currently cited sources are lackluster. Two of them even has the exact same text. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:46, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:When you have done as User:Ca suggests, please submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not thy will give you further advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

How can one reuse sources so that you don't have to type out the ref tag every time? (The abcdefg ref tag thing)

Thanks! Hi I'm Sailing427, but you can call me Sailing. Look at my profile. (talk) 13:21, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Sailing427alt Welcome to the Teahouse. We do this re-use via something called named references. See that link for details. The practicalities are a little different depending on whether you edit via the Visual or Source editor. There is a subsection at Help:Introduction covering referencing with the alternative editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:38, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|Draft:Alaya The Goddess Mc}}

Hi I received help generating an article about the artist from chat got how can I receive assistance with editing in order to edit my draft and have it published Anuhiphopnation (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: You have already asked this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#18:37, 7 June 2025 review of submission by Anuhiphopnation and received replies there. We advise against starting duplicate discussions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:38, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Can advanced editors go to the Teahouse for editing? Why do advanced users use the Help Desk, while the new editors use here, (referring to the Teahouse)?I want to use the Teahouse. TweetyBirdIsCoolBoi (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Anyone can use either; The Teahouse is focussed on newbies and thus more tolerant of newbie errors. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello. I wasn't sure of the best place to ask this, so I thought I would ask here to be safe! I've uploaded an image to Wikipedia for a draft I am currently working on :File:La Roncière translation.png, it is a screenshot of a page of a book written by Charles de La Roncière called '{{lang|fr|Le Flibustier Mystérieux: Histoire d’un trésor caché|italic=no}}'. La Roncière himself died in 1941. The book is written in French and was published in France in 1934. The screenshot I took is of a digital copy of the book hosted on Flipbuilder https://online.flipbuilder.com/kapali_patrimoine/ygev/index.html. I assume that as 70 years have passed since the author's death in 1941, the book would be in the public domain, at least in France. I am unsure about the USA or if it would be acceptable on Wikipedia currently. Basically I am just double checking this can be used on Wikipedia without violating copyright! Thanks! (Also would greatly appreciate being directed to a more appropriate place to ask these types of questions in future as I am still pretty new to Wikipedia!) 11WB (talk) 20:19, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: You'd do better to ask at :c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Many thanks for the direction. I was able to get some reassurance from that page! 11WB (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello! I am writing a page on the artist Natalie White. It has been declined and I've made edits/added sources in line with feedback. Here is the draft. Any suggestions to get it approved would be amazing. Draft:Natalie White. Atelier2002 (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|Atelier2002}}. I first noticed that your draft says {{tpq|After a modeling career as a muse for artists including . . .}}. First of all, that is name-dropping which is not appropriate in encyclopedia articles. (Wow, John Lennon's son!) Secondly, I wanted to see which reference verifies this extraordinary muse claim. It turns out to be a commercial art gallery that sells her work that actually says {{tpq|Her creative drive and unapologetic spirit quickly led her towards more collaborative ventures with artists such as . . .}}. A muse is not defined as someone engaged in something vague like "collaborative ventures" and a commercial gallery that sells her artwork is not a reliable independent source for assessing her career. For that type of content, you need reliable sources entirely independent of the artist and her marketing efforts. And then at the end of the Career section, we've got more industrial strength name-dropping, a list of other artists who have used the same unusually large camera that she sometimes uses. That might be appropriate in the article about the camera, but not in an article about White. Notability is not inherited from using a rare camera also used by famous photographers. We learn of her activism through inappropriate external links to a group that she's involved with, and a website for a protest she organized. We learn that she sold a photo from a reference to the auction house that sold the photo. Not from independent sources in either case. What is lacking is a summary of critical assessment of her work by completely independent art experts, and the appropriate references to back that summary up. The content is over-reliant on non-independent sources and the overall tone is promotional. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion. What is your relationship with White? Cullen328 (talk) 04:16, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I want to edit the caption to an image, but the main edit page for the article doesn't include images or any sort of placeholder for them, nor any caption text or way to edit it.

How do I find the place to make such edits?

The article in question is Vercingetorix. The image is one of plaque in a museum in Rome which contains erroneous information that is about 2/3 of the way down on the right.

Thanks!

Chris Lowe (talk) 23:38, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Cclowe the edit page for the article does include the image as well as the caption; for instructions on how to add and edit them, you can refer to Help:Pictures. You can try using Ctrl+F for the image caption in the wikitext. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

so I need some help with what i believe is formatting, so on a wikipedia page for a company were would you put bad things the company does? HCPM (talk) 04:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|HCPM}}. You can find some good advice in the essay Wikipedia:Criticism. Adhering to the Neutral point of view is mandatory. It is not the role of Wikipedia editors to call things "bad". Just summarize the full range of coverage in reliable sources, and avoid Cherry picking of sources to advance a preferred narrative. Cullen328 (talk) 04:28, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::okay so.. my apologies as this is an issue with my grasp of english, i dont mean bad in well the sense you think, i mean bad as in this is a negative thing, im so sorry im dumb, but i meant it in the case of "where would i put the negative things a company did" like.. idk if it would help if i give you the wikipedia page but like if a zoo does things that are harmful to animals how would i.. idk man im really sorry, thanks for the help either way! HCPM (talk) 05:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::That is the sense used in the advice above.

:::If you are still not sure, start a discussion on the talk page of the article concerned. Remember that citing sources is vital. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi,

I’ve created a draft article titled "Adelaide Wyrzynski" at Draft:Adelaide Wyrzynski.

I don’t have the Move tab available to publish it to the main Wikipedia space.

Could someone please assist me by moving the draft to the main article space?

Thank you very much!

Draft:Adelaide Wyrzynski. Coolcook74 (talk) 07:37, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Cookcook74}} Hello and welcome. New accounts cannot directly create articles, you need to submit the draft for a review. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to do that, but if you were to do so now, it would be declined, as many parts are unsourced. All substantive facts about a living person must be sourced per the Biographies of Living Persons policy.

:I would also note that awards do not contribute to notability unless the awards themselves merit articles(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award). I'm actually skeptical that this person meets the definition of a notable person, though I don't have access to all the information. 331dot (talk) 07:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::The relevant notability criteria would be those at WP:FOOTYN. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you very much for looking into it, appreciate it. We have tried many years ago and tried again today but probably there isn't much info /source /reference enough to get her info published. Appreciate your help looking into it. Coolcook74 (talk) 11:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If and when you are sure the notability criteria have been met, and once you have addressed the sourcing issues mentioned above, you can submit your article for review using the process described at WP:AFC. A volunteer will then review it and either publish it or advise what other work is needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I have created a draft article here: User:Suarez94/sandbox. Could someone please review it and, if appropriate, move it to the mainspace? Thank you! Suarez94 (talk) 08:55, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. Welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft is not submitted for review yet. Please submit it for review after moving it in draft space with suitable draft title. Fade258 (talk) 09:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Suarez94}}, this is the English-language Wikipedia. Your Draft is written in what I assume is a Slavic language (Croatian?), so it belongs (if it meets their requirements) in the Wikipedia of whatever language it is in.

:Please be aware that every different language's Wikipedia is run as separate project, with different rules, and no Wikipedia (including this one, although it is the oldest and largest) has any authority or influence over any other. I hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.81.243 (talk) 09:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::That would be the Croatian language Wikipedia: :hr:. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi. When I browse [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_nominate_a_single_page_for_deletion Article for deletion] only, I see a white space on left and right side. Please help me on this. Fade258 (talk) 09:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:The [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_nominate_a_single_page_for_deletion "mobile" view of "Articles for deletion"] looks bad for me (running Firefox under a Debian derivative) too, Fade258. But the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_nominate_a_single_page_for_deletion "desktop" view of the same page] looks good. -- Hoary (talk) 10:45, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::I also noticed that but Is there any method to solve this? I only face this problem while browsing AfD as while browsing AfC, PROD, NPP etc. it looks good on desktop view. {{U|Hoary}} Fade258 (talk) 13:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::You could ask on WP:VPT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

I get the message "You need to verify your login. A verification code has been sent to your email address, please enter that code here." when I try to log in as User:Shshshsh, my regular account. I don't have access to my old email. Shshshsh3 (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Do you have another device on which you are already logged in? If so, use that to update your email address. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Pigsonthewing: No, I don't. Shshshsh3 (talk) 15:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Shshshsh3

:::Hi, I had to use this "enter the verification code" some days ago, too. If I remember correctly: beneath the Input Box for the code it was stated: "If you No longer have access to this Email adress, please contact...(WMF?)

:::HTH Maresa63 ^Talk 22:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::::@Maresa63: Did you send them an email? Shshshsh3 (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::no, I didn't have to. Luckily I have still access to my registered email. But first I had a hard time to get the code in, so I noticed the statement. Did you try to mail them? Maresa63 ^Talk 09:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Maresa63: Yes, no answer yet. Shshshsh3 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to change the :Category:Israeli Navy generals to be renamed to Category:Israeli Navy admirals. Navies do not have generals, they have admirals as their top of the chain of command. How do I submit this change since it is a category? Iljhgtn (talk) 17:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:At Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:16, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Iljhgtn}}, you are describing a linguistic convention in the English language, and some other languages, that does not correspond to formal usage in modern Hebrew. The Israel Defense Forces, unlike the militaries of most other countries that have a term equivalent to "admiral", uses the same Hebrew word Aluf for the rank of all of its senior military leaders, whether they lead land, sea or air forces. Accordingly, the change you propose is not a straightforward one, and requires discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 18:34, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I am trying to submit a logo to a page I just made. I tried to use the Image Upload Wizard, the problem with that in this instance is that the website seems to be on a global spam blacklist because it has .xyz as the URL ending.

I also want to use the URL in the infobox and it does not allow this either. Is there a way to get specific URL's exempted from the global blacklist in legitimate instances like this? (This is related to the OCEAN (Bitcoin mining pool) page. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 18:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Gjb0zWxOb, you can make a request at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist for an exemption.

:Tangentially, I am concerned that the article's current sources do not establish notability, as they are mostly press releases or written by Forbes contributors. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:46, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

{{atop|1= Already asked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#:41, 8 June 2025 review of submission by Vishnucaman. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 9 June 2025 (UTC)}}

{{courtesy link|Draft:Renjith Touchriver}}

Earlier, my friend Renjith Touchriver — a film editor — had a Wikipedia page. But now, it seems to be missing. I tried to submit a new one, but unfortunately, it was declined due to a lack of reliable references or news coverage at present. Could you help me recreate the page? Vishnucaman (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Vishnucaman}}. Are there multiple independent sources such as newspaper or magazine articles that discuss Renjith Touchriver and his work in depth? If not, he doesn't meet Wikipedia's inclusion threshold (known as "notability"), which is summarised at WP:GOLDENRULE. Failure to meet that threshold was why the original article was deleted back in November 2020 - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renjith Touchriver. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please don't use multiple forums to ask your question. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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Please I need someone who can guide me and teach me how I can create something approvable on Wikipedia please Marie20123 (talk) 19:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please see the links in the welcome message on your talk page (one is a tutorial). Feel free to come back here if you have a more specific question once you have read them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Marie20123}}, please read Your first article where you will find some very good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 01:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

The download link "Telechqrger" doesn't work.

":wikisource:fr:Le Misanthrope/Édition Louandre, 1910" Cordialement, a (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|Cordialement, a}}. The Teahouse is for questions about the English language Wikipedia. Maybe someone is familiar enough with French Wikisource to help you. Maybe not. Cullen328 (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Bonjour, when you click/follow a Download/Télécharger link on Wikisource, you have to select the file format you want (epub/mobi/pdf) and you might have to wait a few seconds for the file to be compiled. But Cullen is right, for general questions about Wikisource, it's best to ask at s:WS:Scriptorium. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Courtesy link|Draft:Monty Hobbs}}

I recently published a page it was decline, based on the article not showing significant coverage

what do you suggest, can i still re-edit and submit? Lasetunde (talk) 22:46, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:If significant coverage exists (from reliable sources that are independent of the article subject), then you can cite this coverage and improve the draft. If it doesn't exist, then you're just wasting your time (and, if I understand your status correctly, your client's money). -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for your advice, there few reliable sources, but then still not approved. Do you suggest I start from scratch again? Lasetunde (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::No; Wikipedia works by a process of incremental improvements. Work on your existing draft and submit it again when it meets the requirements at WP:N.

:::See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:16, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. An article that was accepted yesterday was moved to draft today. The link is Draft:Tal Avitzur. I believe the reason given was conflict of interest. Any suggestions as to what changes I could make to get it approved? Thanks. PZAllen (talk) 22:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Perhaps {{U|MCE89}} (who promoted the draft to an article) and {{U|Onel5969}} (who relegated it to draft about thirty hours later) would care to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Sure {{u|Hoary}}. There seems to be a definite connection between PZAllen and the subject of the article. I have no comment on the notability of the piece, it was just that the editor's connection was never addressed. MCE89 does excellent work at AfC. If PZAllen follows the instructions at either WP:UPE or WP:COI, depending on the circumstances, I have no problem with it being moved back to mainspace. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you Hoary and Onel5969 for responding. This is my first submission and I apologize for not being more thorough with all that needs to be done. I have since added a User page with a declaration of connection to subject of first submitted article and also added a paragraph to the Talk section of the article. (I am not sure how to remove the "(Optional)" that appears before the statement on the Talk page. Before I choose the "Submit for review" or "Publish now" buttons I thought I would check in to see if you have any comments or suggestions on the changes. Thank you. PZAllen (talk) 03:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm having difficulty understanding the guidelines and article format despite going through the laid down rules.

I'll like someone to walk me through my article so I can see practically where I went wrong and improve Eunice Ameh (talk) 23:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you asking about Draft:Repatriation of the Benin Bronze to Nigeria, Eunice Ameh? -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes please 197.211.63.67 (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Please remember to sign in before editing or commenting.

:::I have removed emboldening from your subheadings; as well as some extraneous blank lines (also from your first comment here!). Your article needs a lede. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|King ChristLike}} When you move articles to draft space "for further improvement", please don't do so without giving some indication of what kind of improvements you think are needed. WP:BITE applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Pigsonthewing: Sure. I had previously communicated with the user off wiki and suggested areas of improvement. King ChristLike (talk) 10:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Eunice Ameh You need to be careful that your draft follows Wikipedia's policy on taking a neutral point of view. For example you say (in Wikipedia's voice) {{tq|The looting of Nigerian artifacts, particularly the Benin Bronzes, is not merely a story of stolen objects: it is a story of cultural obliteration, imperial domination, and black injustice}} and cite this to [https://www.britannica.com/art/Benin-Bronzes a Britannica article]. However, I can find no mention of "black injustice" in that article. In order to make that kind of evaluative judgement, you need to cite it to a specific quote, preferably from some scholarly source. Otherwise this will be seen as WP:Righting great wrongs, which is not Wikipedia's purpose. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, can you use YouTube channels as sources if the channel is verified? For example, Channel 4 or a TV program's YouTube channel that is verified ? Thanks x Applesandpears20 (talk) 00:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|Applesandpears20}}. There are dozens of media outlets worldwide called "Channel 4". If a media outlet is generally considered reliable, then its official YouTube channel is also reliable to the same extent. Cullen328 (talk) 02:14, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I submitted a properly sourced draft on Elijah Anatole, a Saint Lucian filmmaker. It’s currently awaiting AfC review. Is there a way to expedite or get a second opinion? Thanks! ArtlasStudios (talk) 01:50, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|ArtlasStudios}}. Start by removing everything cited to Facebook, Instagram and interviews with the filmmaker. I am sorry but your draft is not properly sourced. Cullen328 (talk) 01:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much. I have made the changes and included many more independent news articles, including from the Government of St. Lucia. I would be grateful if you could take another look. Thank you for your kind consideration. Filmboy758 (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Courtesy link|Draft:Stark Gallery}}

Hi Teahouse,

I recently submitted a draft article for Stark Gallery (Draft:Stark Gallery), a small but historically significant art gallery on Nantucket. The submission was declined because it didn’t have enough in-depth, independent sources, and I totally understand the standards around notability.

That said, I’m just a big fan of the gallery and wanted to preserve a bit of local history. I’ve included all the coverage I could find, but it’s mostly from smaller publications or local press, there aren’t many in-depth national sources out there.

My question is: Is this article kind of a lost cause if I can’t find more sources? Or are there any strategies you’d suggest for improving the draft, or places I might look for more coverage? I’d really appreciate any advice or feedback.

Thanks so much! Lilstark (talk) 02:55, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Lilstark: Welcome to the Teahouse. Writing an article is often a difficult task for new editors. You can read Help:Your first article for a simple guide, and WP:Notability (organizations and companies) to get more details about what we're looking for.

:A Wikipedia article should summarize what reliable sources that are independent of the gallery have to say about the gallery beyond simple mentions or announcements. Local sources and small publications are sometimes acceptable sources if they contain in-depth coverage of the subject, but most of your draft's sources do not even mention the gallery, and the ones that do (Artists Association of Nantucket and Nantucket Cultural District) are not independent of Stark Gallery. So yes, if you are unable to find better sources, there cannot be a Wikipedia article about Stark Gallery.

:Also, please do not use ChatGPT or other LLMs to write anything on Wikipedia: I see that at least one of your sources was generated with the help of ChatGPT. (See WP:LLM for more information) Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used.

:Your user name suggests you may have a connection to the gallery; if that is the case you must follow WP:COI and WP:PAID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

How do you get a university degree education with Wikipedia? 2600:1700:5880:C360:E5ED:9983:949:6853 (talk) 06:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is not a university and can not award degrees. Osa Akwamarynowa (talk) 06:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:We have a sibling project for that, Wikiversity. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Which does not award degrees either, it's more like an online textbook. —Mint Keyphase (Did I mess up? What have I done?) 09:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::The question was "How do you get a university degree education...", not "How do you get a university degree". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

be happy

103.59.134.173 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:I've left some useful links on your talk page. Please ask here if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia, after reading them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:47, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Dear Friends: I recently suggested simplifying the first sentence of Wikipedia's page on "Evil" and it looks like it was accepted. Is there a way for me to know for sure? Thanks, Writing is easy. Writing is easy (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. Visit the article Evil, and read its first sentence. -- Hoary (talk) 12:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for answering me, Hoary: Is the standard procedure that no one tells a person who suggested an edit that it was accepted? Writing is easy (talk) 12:16, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If I make a suggestion and somebody implements it, I'm not surprised if they tell me they've done so; neither am I surprised if they don't tell me they've done so. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thanks for clarifying that there is no standard as far as being notified if one's suggestion was accepted.

::::I don't know if you are the correct person to ask about the following: Wikipedia's page on MINDSET is excellent. I wonder if the editors would welcome adding sections on topics such as AMERICAN KNOW-HOW, or the AMERICAN MINDSET, THE BRITISH MINDSET, THE GERMAN MINDSET, THE CHINESE MINDSET, THE FEMALE MINDSET, THE LATINO MINDSET, THE JEWISH MINDSET, etc.

::::I say that because since the 1970s I noticed that people have what I back then called MENTALITIES, but see it is best to call MINDSETS. And that describing them helps everyone understand people who are from a specific group.

::::The characteristics of each group's MINDSET are not set in stone, they're the ways people who are part of a group "typically" think and act.

::::I think everyone would agree that, for example, Americans, have a specific mindset. And that it is the product of many factors, such as our history, our society, our schools, our inventions, etc.

::::Thank you, Hoary. Writing is easy (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Writing is easy, I happen to think that a comparison of two Americans as conspicuous as the two contenders in the most recent US presidential election is enough to demonstrate that there is no single "American mindset". (And I could make similar comments on "the German mindset", etc.) But what I happen to think is of no import. If you have access to reliable sources on this or that mindset, then you are free to augment the "Mindset" article with scrupulously edited material that cites those sources. -- Hoary (talk) 12:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Wonderful. Thanks! Writing is easy (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Could someone please help me understand how I can improve this article enough to have it approved?

Francis Xavier Ruhesi, a pioneer native engineer, lived and served at a time (pre and post independent Uganda) when media coverage in Uganda was very limited. Archiving of print media has been poor and the few articles present (accessed through Makerere University archives) were printed in local media and in Runyankore, a language native to Western Uganda.

In addition, many notable Ugandans killed by the Idi Amin regime "disappeared" (bodies were never discovered) and have not been well documented (It is said that the regime deliberately destroyed documents). Although there is high interest (in the country) in knowing about these personalities, there has been limited investment in research about them. To date, the mentions are in books (without much detail) and in a study - Violations of Human Rights and the Rule of Law in Uganda - by the International Commission of Jurists, Open Letter to General Idi Amin from Wanume Kibedi, former Uganda Foreign Minister (1971-1973), where the interviewee could only give details for a few. Emmnauel Tusiime (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Article in question is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Holborn ref 3 and 4 lead to fishing page with pornografic content. 91.184.215.252 (talk) 13:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:I've replaced the URL with an archive. Looks like a case of domain hijacking. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 13:23, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Can I change my username, or am I stuck with it for the rest of my life? ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk) 13:32, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, everyone! It's correct? [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/2025_June_8&diff=prev&oldid=1294708046] СтасС (talk) 13:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)