Wikipedia:Teahouse#Lengthy ANI discussion archived without a resolution

Hello,

I am trying to understand what about the content on this page (Jayanthi Kumaresh) appears promotional. It earlier was indeed so (unintentionally) and has hence been edited to present a more neurtral tone and amply supported by citations. The tagger has indicated that there is still lots of puffery. Will anyone kindly help me review and edit the article to adhere to the wiki standards. Thank you.

Shyamala. Shyamalswiki (talk) 03:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Phrases such as {{tq|represent India’s Musical Heritage and promote Indian classical music; rigorous Veena training; renowned violinist; excelled in sparkling glee; gave a sold-out concert at Sydney Opera House}} all come across as promotional. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::“excelled in sparkling glee" is a quote from a review. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes, but a cherry-picked quote. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::::There are about 150 or so links where I do a google search and I am trying to figure out how to make an article about the subject using content from those sources. So, should I just be quoting lines from each of the articles - I thought, we could make factual statements and then give citations supporting it. Can you kindly pick one line out of the article and show me a rewritten version as a sample so I can understand what is wrong ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I have removed some of the content you pointed out as appearing promotional. Kindly review. If it appears ok, what would be the next step to get the promotional tag removed ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 03:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Also can you explain what in the name of the wikipedia is this? {{Tq|1=Darbar.org says she was one of the youngest veena artist to receive A-Top grading from All India Rad}}. Wh67890 (talk) 07:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::It is basically quoting a line from the website darbar.org .. Is there a better way of saying this ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Ask yourself if this is how we write informations in Wikipedia or is this way any Encyclopedia is written, the way you replied it without acknowledging the error, I think you need a course on how to write articles. Wh67890 (talk) 16:19, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Kindly do not be offended. I am here in the teahouse to learn and seek the advice of experts like you. I am asking, I am unable to understand what the error is, what is a better way of saying this ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Since you are commited to do it, why dont you try WP:RS, WP:Notability, WP:Article and WP:Verifiability. These are like constitution here in Wikipedia, reading them will help you getting familiarised with the idea of editing Wikipedia. Wh67890 (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I went through notability already and made a few edits based on that. I will go through the other links you have provided. Thank you for your time and effort. Shyamalswiki (talk) 00:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Just for asking: Are you connected to the subject somehow? Wh67890 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::I am a fan of her music and while looking for something found that her page was really old. So, I am trying to put my best foot forward and get it up to date. Shyamalswiki (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Veena Artist I think not notable Santalipedia (talk) 11:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Also {{Tq|1=She is one of the youngest veena player with A-Top grading[cite the source for your claim]}} is only best version I can advise to you. Also Read some other article that share similarities with you but are in A-class or B-class phase, it will also help you to understand how to write a better encyclopedia.Wh67890 (talk) 23:51, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I have made a similar edit and a citation was already there. Thank you for the pointer and suggestion. If you find any other sections with scope for improvement, kindly let me know. Shyamalswiki (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::What is A-class / B-class, how can I find such articles ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 01:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::this might be confusing: A class and B class articles that are neatly written, but not the best standard articles like featured or GAs. These articles follow almost all the rules and criteria that in Wikipedia needs; such as but not limited to, citing, reliability, notability, expansion et cetra. You cannot find them but it is shown, what class that article is of, in the top of the artile just below the title but only if you have enabled this in you gadgets menu.

::::::::::::these are some of the articles related to musics and BLP in your country (india) with A and B class criteria:

::::::::::::1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_Shankar Ravi Shankar actually a good article.

::::::::::::2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raga Raga Wh67890 (talk) 01:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Thank you very much. I saw some of your pointers in the article and I have gone back and added more citations that I could find. I have more content to add but would like to wait until the current content is in the clear and we can remove the promo tag. In the mean time, I saw some of the citations got added with an auto tag and now some are being repeated. How can I fix this and prevent it from re occurring ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Do not wait to make an article better. Promo tag will automatically be removed by one of us if you refine your article.

::::::::::::::I will not be here since i am busy. So here are some advice. Expand it, improve lede section so that reader understand the spot just liWikof success. ipedia is not just awards collection. Read WP:What Wikipedia is not.You don't need to verify everything but you need to verify sentences that makes claims. Wh67890 (talk) 02:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::*Understand the subject not just list of awards. Sorry my keyboard got jammed.

:::::::::::::::Wh67890 (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Thank you very much again for the invaluable advice. what did u mean "lede section" ? Shyamalswiki (talk) 02:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::Lede section is the first section you see in article, such as in your case, it is the whole section just above early life and education. Wh67890 (talk) 03:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::::Lede section summa rise most important things that you see in the article . And sometime, with care, you can add extra information but make sure lede section is just summarise it. Wh67890 (talk) 03:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::Read WP:Lede section Wh67890 (talk) 03:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Can you kindly elaborate what you mean by "not notable" Shyamalswiki (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm having difficulty understanding the guidelines and article format despite going through the laid down rules.

I'll like someone to walk me through my article so I can see practically where I went wrong and improve Eunice Ameh (talk) 23:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you asking about Draft:Repatriation of the Benin Bronze to Nigeria, Eunice Ameh? -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes please 197.211.63.67 (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Please remember to sign in before editing or commenting.

:::I have removed emboldening from your subheadings; as well as some extraneous blank lines (also from your first comment here!). Your article needs a lede. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:07, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you so much for pointing that out. I did a summary though, doesn't that serve as a lede? I'll appreciate if you can send me a link to an article perfectly written, so I could study.

::::I also learn practically side by side seeing what is being done rather than reading it. I'll appreciate if anyone can spare time to take up the writing of that article with me from scratch so I can learn better. Thank you. Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I made a few improvements to the article. However, more reliable sources are needed to support statements and establish notability. Also, a lead section is important; See this article about the Kingdom of Benin as a guide. King ChristLike (talk) 06:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::I'll check the article out now.

::::::Thank you so much. Eunice Ameh (talk) 14:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|King ChristLike}} When you move articles to draft space "for further improvement", please don't do so without giving some indication of what kind of improvements you think are needed. WP:BITE applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Pigsonthewing: Sure. I had previously communicated with the user off wiki and suggested areas of improvement. King ChristLike (talk) 10:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::He actually viewed the article and helped me in the guidelines and rules and regulations out of this teahouse. Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Eunice Ameh You need to be careful that your draft follows Wikipedia's policy on taking a neutral point of view. For example you say (in Wikipedia's voice) {{tq|The looting of Nigerian artifacts, particularly the Benin Bronzes, is not merely a story of stolen objects: it is a story of cultural obliteration, imperial domination, and black injustice}} and cite this to [https://www.britannica.com/art/Benin-Bronzes a Britannica article]. However, I can find no mention of "black injustice" in that article. In order to make that kind of evaluative judgement, you need to cite it to a specific quote, preferably from some scholarly source. Otherwise this will be seen as WP:Righting great wrongs, which is not Wikipedia's purpose. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Alright.

::Noted. Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much for showing that. But I try to paraphrase as much as possible hence the word black injustice. I tied the happenings to a term, which I now discover is wrong.

::However, what if I can't find a quote for this? Eunice Ameh (talk) 21:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If you truly search deep but can’t find a reliable source that supports the statement, it’s best to remove it totally. King ChristLike (talk) 06:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Alright.

::::Thank you so much Eunice Ameh (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

How do you get a university degree education with Wikipedia? 2600:1700:5880:C360:E5ED:9983:949:6853 (talk) 06:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is not a university and can not award degrees. Osa Akwamarynowa (talk) 06:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:We have a sibling project for that, Wikiversity. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Which does not award degrees either, it's more like an online textbook. —Mint Keyphase (Did I mess up? What have I done?) 09:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::The question was "How do you get a university degree education...", not "How do you get a university degree". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::::That was indeed the question, Andy, but I for one do not understand what the question means.

::::IP user, please clarify what you are asking. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I assume IP user means "how to get a university-level education by reading wikipedia" and if so, I would adivse that there's much more to education than just reading information. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 23:26, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Dear All,

My account is more than 4 days old and I’ve made over 10 edits, but I still don’t see the "Contribute" section.

I believe Growth features might not be enabled for my account (possibly because it was created before they were rolled out). Could someone please help enable them or advise what I should do?

Thank you in advance! Lookingforward4future (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what you mean by "growth features" or a "contribute" section, but your account is indeed autoconfirmed. Certain articles and pages require higher levels of access, what article or page are you trying to edit? 331dot (talk) 16:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Lookingforward4future, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean Wikipedia:Growth Team features? If Special:Homepage isn't enabled then see "Newcomer editor features" at the bottom of Special:Preferences. If you refer to the word "Contribute" in a menu then it's a heading for the links below it like "Help". It's not supposed to be a link itself. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi @PrimeHunter, thank you very much for your prompt and detailed explanation. I've read the shared articles and it's all clear! Appreciate your support and wishing you a wonderful day / evening, depending on your timezone! Lookingforward4future (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

On the page https://oeis.org/wiki/Centered_polygonal_numbers, there is a table near the bottom of the page with a blank column, and the title above the column reads "Order of basis".

I believe that this column can now be filled in with numerals.

The paper that can be found at http://doi.org/10.1515/ms-2025-0037 demonstrates that the order of basis is N+2. That is, for the centered triangular numbers, the order is 5; for the centered square numbers, the order is 6; for the centered pentagonal numbers, the order is 7; etc.... 2600:1700:22F0:9720:CB9:C041:561B:3009 (talk) 18:17, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:That page is on oeis.org, not Wikipedia. Our article is Centered polygonal number, and has no such table. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::OeisWiki uses the same software as us and looks similar but we are not affiliated with them. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I have posted this issue at Talk:Age of consent in the United States#Delaware 2024 update for age of consent. My experience with doing such postings is (too often) that they just get ignored, but in light of the recent changes to the Delaware law, that could have some serious negative results, both to Wikipedia reputation and to certain unfortunate persons who might detrimentally rely on WP.

So in hopes of finding people who may have an interest in addressing this issue, I am posting it here in the Teahouse. Thanks for your attention. Fabrickator (talk) 20:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Fabrickator it's true that a question on a single article talk page may not get enough attention, but the Teahouse audience is very broad and threads here get archived quickly, so it's also not the best place for highly specific content discussion. I'd suggest the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects for this sort of issue – the banner at the top of Talk:Age of consent in the United States lists a few of these. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, how do I get my page rewritten? It's Herb Greenberg. I've been hit up by several people cold-calling to rewrite for a $$. Not sure if they're legit. It has been flagged for need of repair. Thanks, Herb Greenberg Bizinsider (talk) 22:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:SCAM. Scammers monitor places like WP:NPP and WP:AFC to look for people to get money from. Do not give money to anyone. 331dot (talk) 22:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Bizinsider, thank you for not having "simply" (in reality, complicatingly) waded in and rewritten the article. On Talk:Herb Greenberg, you've asked "How do I get the page rewritten if I'm not permitted to do it myself?" Answer: By making "edit requests" (yes, very likely plural). Please see Wikipedia:Edit requests. If anything in that page is unclear, feel free to ask about it here. -- Hoary (talk) 04:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::Having now read the article, I'm not sure how this subject qualifies for Notability. He's a career investigative journalist who seems to have done his job competently for 30-odd years, but seems not to have been particularly prominent and, for example, has no awards mentioned. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.81.243 (talk) 10:36, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Bizinsider}} Please see the advice at WP:About you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:43, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

I noticed the article List of religious slurs and I’m unsure if it fits Wikipedia’s standards. Many of the terms listed are unsourced or lack evidence of notability, and the page seems like an indiscriminate collection.

I think only widely known or globally recognized terms with strong reliable sources should remain, but as it stands now, the list looks questionable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk • contribs) 01:55, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{u|ইমরান ভূইয়া}}, there is no requirement that list entries be {{tpq|widely known or globally recognized}} to be included on a list. The list article has 150 references. The best course of action is to evaluate each unreferenced entry one by one, and try to find a reliable source verifying that particular slur, and add it. If you cannot find a source after a good faith search, then remove that entry, explaining why in your edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 02:22, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It is quite common, but not required (one exception, for example, is lists of public art), that entries on list pages be things that have a Wikipedia article on their own. If in doubt, ask on the talk page of the list article concerned. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

There are numerous pages with notes saying, "citation needed." When I do a web search, I find sources that contradict what is said on the page, but nothing that could supply a footnote to support it. Should I delete and rewrite the entire section based on the sources I am able to find?Julian in LA (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Julian in LA, if you find reliable sources that contradict what's written (without a reference) in an article, do please rewrite the article accordingly, of course citing the reliable source(s) as you do so. -- Hoary (talk) 04:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:That reliable sources part is a good distinction, because some sources may contradict what is said on the page but if the source is a blog or something, there's no authority to what's being said. You'll get better at it the more you do these. If you're not hung up on one specific article and just wanna practice the citation hunt tool has been a good way to start looking at how to find and replace sources for random articles. Lmtdarius87 (talk) 22:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

Unless I’m mistaken, :Category:Wikipedia fully protected pages purports to be a list of pages that have been granted WP:FULL. Many of the articles this category links to are nowhere near that designation. In fact, the first entry (a redirect, admittedly) doesn’t appear to be protected at all. I’m not very experienced, so it’s likely that I just fell for it/am stupid, but on the off chance that it’s something that should actually be maintained, I thought it best to bring it to the attention of more knowledgeable people. TJS808 (talk) 03:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:For the first entry in that list [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*NSYNC?redirect=no], it actually is fully protected. The target article isn't, but the redirect that automatically sends you to that target article is protected. Even redirects are articles, and they can be vandalized like any other.

:In fact, most articles on that list are actually just redirects! The article they point to is just a regular article that probably isn't fully protected, but the hidden redirect itself is, usually to prevent subtle vandalism. Cheers. LR.127 (talk) 05:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::... although, I have no idea why they aren't in :Category:Wikipedia fully protected redirects. LR.127 (talk) 06:00, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|TJS808}} Redirects are in italics on category pages. After clicking a redirect like *NSYNC, click "(Redirected from *NSYNC)" at top of the page to get to the redirect page. {{ping|LR.127}} Some of the pages are sorted differently in different categories. If you see a redirect which is really missing from the redirect category then post it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Can Joshua Project be used as an reliable source in Wikipedia? Densmartasvensken (talk) 08:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:I infer from Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_361#RfC:_Joshua_Project that the simple answer is no; for more information read up on what's written about this website in the archives of WP:RSN, and if something is still unclear then open a new discussion thread at WP:RSN. -- Hoary (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Can i be a petroleum geology by studying geology Jonathan excel ikenna (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome. This page is to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:You might want to clarify your question and go to the reference desk instead. GoldRomean (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|User:Adjiemada/sandbox}}

I would like to submit this page as a draft article to be reviewed by Wikipedia editors. The article discusses a professional pharmacist organization called Farmasis Indonesia Bersatu (FIB) and has been carefully written with reliable references. I kindly request assistance for the review process so that the article can be considered for publication in the main article space. Adjiemada (talk) 10:52, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Adjiemada}} That sandbox does not exist on here, the English-language Wikipedia. You have asked elsewhere about "Pengguna:Adjiemada/Bak pasir", which exists as :id:Pengguna:Adjiemada/Bak pasir on the Indonesian-language Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia is managed independently of each other. You will need to ask on :id:Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Lain-lain). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

One of my clients needs their articles published on Wikipedia. How can I go about it? The article is ready. Its a personal page about on a doctor. SimFerns (talk) 11:06, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|SimFerns}} Which page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @SimFerns, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:I'm afraid that your client's needs are of no interest to Wikipedia.

:If your client meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there could be an article about them: the article would not belong to them, would not be controlled by them, would not necessarily say what they wanted it to say, and as far as Wikipedia is concerned, would not be in any way for their benefit. Please read, and show them, WP:BOSS

:If they meet those criteria, then you are permitted to create a draft, and submit it for review. You must first make a formal declaration of your status as paid editor - this is mandatory.

:Then you would need to understand the very singular approach to writing articles that Wikipedia takes. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

:Unless the article you have was written by somebody who already has that understanding of how Wikipedia works, it is unlikely to be of much use to you, as it is probably to a considerable extent based on what your client or their associates say, or want to say: a Wikipedia article should be mostly based on what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications: see golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello again, @SimFerns: I've just realised that I may have made a wrong assumption: you don't say that the articles are to be about your client. If they are not, then not all I have said applied; but most of it still does. ColinFine (talk) 11:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

In the guidelines on fiction there are instructions on summarising books, movies etc. but what about when said work was originally made in a foreign language? What then? How do we translate the terminology? If there are translations, do we pick one at random, or must we additionally verify that said translation is somewhat canonical or enshrined in the "scientific consensus" that the Wikipedia must envision? What are the guidelines on that? Dankowski (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Dankowski, I possess a copy of The White Guard and a copy of White Guard, both being translations of Белая гвардия, written in a language I unfortunately cannot read. The choice between the translations isn't obvious to me; if I wondered which to depend on and refer to in an effort to augment the somewhat sparse article, I'd ask on Talk:The White Guard. -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::There is some guidance at MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE, including its footnote "p". Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

How do I cite book sales when the only reference I have is not public but is a sales statement emailed to me from the publisher? StephenMM3 (talk) 19:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, you can't. We need an independent, published source. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::Publishers tend not to publish that info. I have one that just hit a million copies sold. That comes with a Platinum Award for that mile marker. 2 questions: Do the W editors have access to pub numbers to confirm that number? If not, would the url of the Agent's list of author awards provide enough evidence? He lists the awards and sales numbers together. Thanks. StephenMM3 (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately, you can't. We need an independent, published source. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:48, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi Wiki Team! I am trying to move CurationsLA to a Draft Page per Wikipedia guidelines. I have disclosed that this is a source close to me, but I received an error when trying to move the Draft Page. I am led to believe that I have incorporated the most appropriate Wikipedia code to submit the article for approval. However, I believe that this approval is only triggered when moving to a Draft Page. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, and thank you all for keeping Wikipedia a trusted source. For Good Vibes - Wyatt Curations (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Curations, I moved it from your "sandbox" to Draft:CurationsLA. I sleepily/stupidly assumed that this would not be problematic; but as soon as I'd made the move I realized (actually, I was told) that CurationsLA already existed. I've done no more than glance at either Draft:CurationsLA or CurationsLA. Please (i) decide which of the pair is better (let's call this "A"), (ii) pillage the other one ("B") for anything that A lacks and paste this material into A, (iii) blank B (by which I mean: Set out to edit B, remove all its content, and save the result), and (iv) announce here that you've done this. -- Hoary (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you, I am making the appropriate edits now - I hope! Sorry for the nuanced approach, I want to ensure that the CurationsLA page meets Wikipedia standards. Curations (talk) 21:38, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @Curations. Please note that a Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else.

:::{{HD/WINI}} ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you, @User:ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::You didn't blank the article, Curations, but you did say [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACurations&diff=1294965274&oldid=1294964428 that it could be deleted]; I therefore deleted it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Who is Albert Einstein 108.202.99.110 (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Take a look at his page --cheesewhisk3rs (pester) 21:29, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

What does it mean if an edit is double crossed out? 2601:600:9001:7DD0:BD94:C746:6B9E:A375 (talk) 23:03, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It means that no one can view the edit, this is common case of discrimination and many other factors, another editor can possibly go more in-depth about this topic if wanted. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 00:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Specifically, doubly crossed out edits have been suppressed by via Wikipedia:Oversight (which also discusses the singly crossed out revision deletion). Skynxnex (talk) 00:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

In this article, we are talking about how to use more polite words in all articles, especially ones relating to sexuality, race, ethnicity and disabilities (etc).

Sexuality

1. The word gay should not be used as a singular, like a black (in the sense of African American). It is often seen as offensive or disrespectful if used. Gay is better to use as a plural, in the phrase of gays and lesbians.
2. The word queer (in the sense gay) is originally used as a strongly disrespectful and inflammatory word. From now this meaning is often used as a positive way, especially when used as a self-reference, but the use by others may be considered as offensive due to its older meanings ‘strange, quirky’ has negative connotations. Reclaimed words are generally considered offensive when used by outsiders. It is better to avoid using this meaning of the word by outsiders, especially in the UK.
3. The word transvestite dates from the early 20th century. Although it is neutral in the past, it is now often considered offensive, especially when used in transsexual contexts. It is better to use cross-dresser instead.

Race & Ethnicity

1. Often avoid words that are strongly associated with colonialism, such as oriental (in the sense of Asian) and Asiatic (only used in biological names, do not use it to describe people).
2. It is better to avoid using the word black as a noun because it may be considered as offensive if used. Use black person or black people to replace a black and the blacks.
3. White should be usually used as a plural. See usage at gay when used in the singular form.
4. Do not use ethnic slurs.

Disabilities

1. Do not use these words to describe mental illness, here’s the list: mad, crazy, insane (only in law, not used in medicine), loony, maniac, schizo, nuts, psycho)
2. Do not use suffer from and victim of do describe chronic illnesses and disabilities. Only use it in reference to natural disasters.
3. Do not use words that are now generally considered offensive to describe learning disability, avoid using mental retardation, mental handicap, mental deficiency (although this term is not always offensive, it may cause offence if used).

If you see these terms in any Wikipedia articles, we will change it soon. MarcoToa1 (talk) 00:22, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Also sometimes avoid using adjectives following with the: such as the deaf, the blind, and the disabled etc. MarcoToa1 (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:From my point of view, the wording is clear-cut and not open to interpretation. I don’t see any reason for an explanatory thread about what might need changing based on the terms or phrasing used across different articles... Zryk (talk) 00:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @MarcoToa1, and welcome to the Teahouse. While you are very welcome to suggest policies of this sort, it is not your place (or mine, or anybody else's) to impose them without discussion. Please start a discussion - I suggest at WP:VPP - and get consensus before you start applying your rules. ColinFine (talk) 09:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Are we free to use the gadgets as we please? I’ve come across a few things — still doing some digging — that seem to allow actions within articles, though I’m not sure if that’s part of the standard editing features. My question’s a bit muddled, I know, but I reckon you get the gist. I’ve already switched my screen to dark mode, and now I’m exploring a few settings to see if there’s anything interesting to play around with. Zryk (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, if we see these terms in any articles, we will change it soon. MarcoToa1 (talk) 00:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::I'm barely confused of what you saying. Which terms? Zryk (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:MarcoToa1, you start: "In this article, we...." In which article? Who are "we"? And here, in the Teahouse, do you have some question? -- Hoary (talk) 01:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Note that since opening this, the editor has begun altering the wording of articles to fit their own sense of what's "appropriate". Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Oh no. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 03:43, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::While I don't deny guidelines like this could be important, I'm certainly curious what article or people the opening line refers to. And doesn't something like this belong either on an actual namespace guideline page (with consensus, of course) or as a user essay? TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 04:23, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Why can the Talk Pages not have pending changes protection on them? 76.68.113.121 (talk) 01:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Because talk pages are user related and used by other editors to communicate with the user regarding varities of things and subjects. If you will put protection on it, not just it will cause hinderance but will not make any sense. Page protections are used in main pages such as article pages and guidelines to suppress vandalism, talk pages do not need such protection. If this is about you getting any kind of messages you don't want, maybe you can contact helpdesk. Wh67890 (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::In cases of severe, ongoing disruption, administrators may protect article talk pages but this is infrequent. {{u|Wh67890}} is correct that article talk pages are intended for anyone to make good faith suggestions for improving the article, and protection interferes with that process. Cullen328 (talk) 04:59, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Due to technical limitations, talk-pages can't actually be pending-changes protected...it's either semi-protection and upwards, or nothing. Lectonar (talk) 06:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, my submission got declined again for not enough reliable sources. I put every source I could find on Roselilah in the citations, but it still got declined. Can somebody please help me? AmberHeij (talk) 06:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:AmberHeij, a sample from Draft:Roselilah: {{Olive|Roselilah is known for her dark, melodic trap beats and her ability to work remotely with artists across the globe from her studio in the Netherlands. She has expressed a strong commitment to continual growth, often emphasizing the importance of matching sound to artist identity.}} With, at the end, a link to a web page of the Netherlands (and of course Dutch-language) edition of Cosmopolitan. Saying that person X "is known for" Y is common here (I must confess that on occasion I've perpetrated it myself); does the Cosmo article not provide specifics? Meanwhile, "a strong commitment to continual growth" means nothing to me. There's other vapid phrasing, too. As a second example, "major placement in the U.S. hip hop scene": if this means something (and actually I suspect that it does), then please express this something in a way designed not to impress but to inform. (NB there are more examples besides.) And please, no "bare URLs". -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you very much for the feedback, Hoary. I've gone through the article again and replaced all bare URLs with properly formatted citations. I've also done my best to make the language more neutral and factual throughout the draft, avoiding promotional phrasing. I truly appreciate your help and would be very grateful if you could point out any remaining issues I might have missed. Thank you again for taking the time to review the draft! Best regards,Amber AmberHeij (talk) 11:54, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @AmberHeij. The "Career" section begins: "Roselilah's international production career began in 2018, when she produced ...". Translating that out of marketing-speak, it reads "In 2018, Roselilah produced ...". The words I have removed are editorializing.

:::Remember that {{HD/WINI}} ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you very much, Colin. I’ve incorporated all your suggestions and gone through the text once more to remove or rephrase any promotional wording. I also made some small adjustments here and there to keep the tone as neutral as possible. I've included every reliable source I could find about Roselilah in the article. I really hope it will be accepted this time, otherwise I might have to give up on it. Thank you again for your time and help! AmberHeij (talk) 08:04, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

This is for species, genuses, families and other things. I'm currently creating a page for the genus Cauricara, which two beetles (Stenocara eburnea, stenocara desertica, which were moved to Cauricara ( now Cauricara eburnea, cauricara desertica [ and i will also create pages for these species ] ) PLBF61371 (talk) 07:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Either use {{tl|Italictitle}}, or an infobox that performs the same function, such as {{tl|Taxobox}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:05, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::How do I add this template? It is a very complicated one on surface level PLBF61371 (talk) 08:16, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If by "this template" you mean the taxobox one, then the automatic version is probably the easiest. There's a flowchart (of sorts) which helps you figure out which template to use, at Automated taxobox system/which. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::No, I mean Italictext template. It specifies what to do but how do you like apply the effects of this template? When I put the text without parentheses, "Cauricara" it just stayed blank. When I did it in parentheses it just did (Cauricara) so basically I am asking how do you apply the effects of this template? {{Italictext}} PLBF61371 (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::It's not {{Tld|Italictext}}, it's {{Tld|Italictitle}}. Just put that with no parameters, at the top of the page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Thank you, I have figured it out now! PLBF61371 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Is it possible to present a (translated) text from the German Wikipedia here?

It concerns an article about myself [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Maria_Mayr]. If possible can I do this by myself?

And where exactly can I find the page to upload it?

Thanks for your help. Thyr&Thor (talk) 10:20, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Thyr&Thor}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We would advise you against writing about yourself here. It is not absolutely forbidden, but it is highly discouraged. Please read the autobiography policy.

:Also please know that the German Wikipedia has different policies than the English Wikipedia, so what is acceptable there is not necessarily acceptable here. You would need to show that you meet our notability criteria to merit an article, even if you do meet the criteria of the German Wikipedia. If you do, you may create and submit a translation via the Article Wizard. 331dot (talk) 10:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::I had a quick look at the DE-article; if the same sources are used, many of which aren't sources independent of the subject, it would at least be difficult. Imo it would mostly hinge on the value of a 3rd place in the Pfälzischer Mundartdichterwettstreit (the only competition mentioned which has an article on DE-Wikipedia) towards establishing notability. It might be too high a hurdle for an autobiography. Lectonar (talk) 10:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:While you should not create or edit an article about yourself directly, you may place an English translation in Draft:Thomas Maria Mayr and work on it there. You should make clear the source, in an edit summary or on its talk page, per WP:Translate. When it is ready, you can submit it for review via the process described at WP:AFC, and an independent editor will either publish it or advise what further work is needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:31, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am SpiritEdit, and I am here to ask for some help. In my sandbox, I want to add some explanatory footnotes to better help explain the infoboxes, but I have to insert a specific template for explanatory footnotes, and I am confused on how to do it. Please help me by putting a template that lets me put explanatory footnotes already or giving me directions/instructions on how to insert the template accordingly. Thanks! SpiritEdit (talk) 12:49, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:@SpiritEdit The template is {{T|efn}} and if you click that link you'll see some help on how to use it, along with links to articles where it is used. It is normally used alongside the {{t|notes}} template, placed where you want the footnotes to be collected together by the wiki software. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you very much! I appreciate your help. :) SpiritEdit (talk) 13:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

I had noticed that the user Lotsfixer was making a lot of wiki edits yesterday that were leaving a page in a semi-broken or hard-to-review state yesterday so I left them a comment to that effect. I otherwise haven't engaged them at all or acted on pages they were editing. They responded today with a whole lot of non-constructive, racist comments directed at me. User talk:Lotsfixer.

I'm not sure how to handle this. I'm half inclined to let it lie, and it seems inappropriate for me to edit someone else's comments, but it also seems pretty egregiously something that shouldn't stay on wikipedia, even in a talk page.

As a side-bar, the particular *flavor* of the comments make me feel like someone with more experience should look at the edits from this editor over the last couple days. The impacted pages/sections all pertain to genetics and in particular around the out-of-Africa genetic origin. Given the direct subject matter overlap to the personal attacks (which are clearly not in good faith), and the sensitivity of the subject, I'm not sure how to get this in front of an editor who can better assess. Driftingdrifting (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, let's not tolerate that for one moment. They are now blocked. I am not a content expert on this subject. I suggest a full revert is probably appropriate for the reasons you indicate. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:33, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for taking a look. For my education (I'm a new-ish editor), how should I have handled this in your opinion (other than posting in tea house?)? I got a sort of unclear idea from wiki guidelines, and I was worried that jumping in myself (revert or template) was just going to trigger them to creating *more* not fit for wiki content in more places, but I also wasn't sure it was ok to report to admins on the basis of a single comment. Driftingdrifting (talk) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::The general advice is per the policy described at WP:No personal attacks. As that page explains, the appropriate action varies, from ignoring the attack to raising it at WP:ANI. In this case, an immediate block of the other editor was warranted and I'm glad that this was done rapidly without you having to go through the hoops that ANI involves. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:42, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I don't know the subject, but based on Lotsfixer's response I reverted most of their edits, and commented at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology#Anyone_know_anything_about_haplogroups?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:54, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::and immediately reverted by a brand new user...thanks for trying! Driftingdrifting (talk) 17:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Zzuuzz or another admin, want to do what we don't pay you for? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:48, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Nevermind, @Ohnoitsjamie did that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Why isn't a Wikipedia page about the nations which aligned with Maoist China during tte Cold War, adding a third side to the Cold War, alongside to the USA and the USSR? BuddyHeigh (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Don't know if it helps, but Sino-Soviet split and Cold War in Asia exists. If you want to start a new article, make sure to start with finding good academic sources about the "China-bloc". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi everyone! I recently submitted a draft article for review through AfC about Luca Volpe, a well-known Italian mentalist and performer. I have a professional connection, so I disclosed the COI transparently on the sandbox’s Talk page.

The page is at: User:Mnemonicbloom/sandbox

I believe he meets notability guidelines through national TV appearances (RAI1, RAI2), international performances, multiple industry awards (Merlin Award, Robert Houdin d’Or), and magazine features (e.g., Vanish Magazine).

Could someone take a quick peek and let me know if everything looks correct or if I need to move anything into Draft namespace? I’m still learning and happy to improve based on feedback!

Thank you so much for all the guidance! ~~~~ Mnemonicbloom (talk) 16:41, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Mnemonicbloom. I see your draft has been declined.

:A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. Several of your sources are not reliable (eg Facebook), and others are not independent (eg suppliers). ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::

Thank you, ColinFine. I understand. I’ve now stepped away from editing this topic and respect the standards and policies in place. Wishing the editorial team all the best.

::Mnemonicbloom (talk) 19:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present)

Hello, what's latest news from this war (conflict)? Update, please like Russo-Ukrainian war? СтасС (talk) 17:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @CTacc, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:Wikipedia is not a news organ, and there is no compulsion to be up to the minute. Asking random editors to update a particular article is probably not going to be very fruitful.

:You might get a better response if you ask at one of the WikiProjects listed on that article's Talk page. ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:: Thank you for answer--СтасС (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:::You may also ask at WP:REFD/H. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

i found a article going by the name "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around does it make any sound" and i found the name to be too long and complicated and that it would likely reduce the performance of the article and wouldnt help if people are searching the topic under a different name or a likely suitable title.

Are titles like these ok and are encyclopedic or a title change is in order for this article Narventer (talk) 18:03, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Narventer Per Talk:If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest_and_no_one_is_around_to_hear_it,_does_it_make_a_sound%3F#Requested_move_7_April_2024 it seems to be the current consensus. Consensus can change. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:34, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::There are several redirects from shorter titles.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=If+a+tree+falls+in+a+forest+and+no+one+is+around+to+hear+it%2C+does+it+make+a+sound%3F&namespace=&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1&limit=50] It's a famous thought experiment I may have heard dozens of times and it doesn't have a short name so the title seems appropriate to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello kind editors,

I recently submitted a draft article for Luca Volpe, an internationally recognized Italian mentalist, author, and performer. I disclosed a personal connection (he is my mentor) and tried to follow Wikipedia's policies as carefully as I could.

The article was twice declined by the same reviewer, and now marked “not sufficiently notable.” I understand this is the judgment of one editor, but I’d like to respectfully request a second opinion from a more diverse panel of editors or guidance on how to proceed—perhaps even by stepping back as the drafter if necessary.

Volpe has:

• Multiple national television appearances on Italian networks (RAI1, RAI2)
• International performances on cruise ships, corporate stages, and at global magic conventions
• Several respected industry awards, including the Merlin Award and most recently, Member of the Inner Magic Circle with Gold Star (the highest honor, shared by fewer than 300 magicians worldwide)
• Feature coverage in publications like Vanish Magazine and MagicSeen Magazine

I understand Wikipedia prioritizes significant independent coverage—I’ve included articles from La Gazzetta dello Spettacolo, The Way Magazine, and Roma Daily News alongside references to official awards.

I genuinely believe this subject meets notability guidelines for performers, but if my involvement creates a barrier, I would deeply appreciate it if another experienced editor could review the materials objectively or consider taking over the draft. I’d be happy to fade into the background if that’s what’s best for neutrality.

Thank you all for your time and the care you give to this community.

With gratitude,

Mnemonicbloom (talk) Mnemonicbloom (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:I don't think it will be reconsidered as it lacks reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Untamed1910 (talk) 18:20, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Awards do not contribute to notability unless the awards themselves merit articles(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award). 331dot (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for taking the time to respond. I now understand more clearly how narrowly notability is interpreted in some cases, particularly for artists and performers. While I respect Wikipedia's guidelines and neutrality policies, I also see the limitations they can create — especially for internationally known performers with recognition across industry-specific platforms.

::I’ll leave it here and step away from the process now. I appreciate those who took a look, even if we see the subject’s significance differently.

::Wishing you all well,

::—Mnemonicbloom Mnemonicbloom (talk) 18:36, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

I've often seen boilerplate notices or banners added to a user's talk page to appraise them of wikipedia policies or editing guidelines they may need to review; indeed, I have such a notice on my talk page right now. I watch recent changes a fair bit and have sometimes felt the need to share this kind of guidance, but don't know where to find and how to apply these template banners. Is there a central location for this kind of content? Elliptical Reasoning (talk) 21:42, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Elliptical Reasoning If you install WP:Twinkle you can select from and automatically apply a variety of boilerplate notices. Twinkle has a lot of other useful tools. You can see a list of templates at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for! Elliptical Reasoning (talk) 22:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

: {{u| Elliptical Reasoning}}, if you are talking specifically about the welcome messages that you find on many new user talk pages, you can find them at Wikipedia:Welcome templates. They do not require Twinkle and you may use them directly, same as any other template. Some people prefer to use Twinkle, others do not; your choice. Mathglot (talk) 12:39, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

hi how can i edit Wikiguy1002 (talk) 22:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{reply|Wikiguy1002}} Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You can learn about editing here through the tutorial. This will take you through the steps of editing pages, adding references, and maintaining the standard layout of pages. You can then look at the tasks page to find pages to edit. cyberdog958^Talk 22:39, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::thanks! Wikiguy1002 (talk) 23:46, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Recently uploaded :File:Shanghai Municipal seal.png, though there is a really obvious typo. May I ask if it is possible to rename it, since I can't find the move button Thehistorianisaac (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Thehistorianisaac files can only be moved by file movers or admins. You can request a rename using {{tl|rename media}}. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 01:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! Thehistorianisaac (talk) 02:47, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm a notable TikTok creator with verified social accounts and media coverage in six major Nigerian newspapers (Punch, Guardian, Vanguard, etc.). I also have an IMDb page and a Google Knowledge Panel.

I’d like help creating or improving a Wikipedia article about me (Realjjfrosh) that follows Wikipedia’s notability and neutrality guidelines. Can anyone assist ?

Thank you! Realjjfrosh (talk) 00:29, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello {{user link|Realjjfrosh}}. Article subjects require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Therefore social media accounts, IMDb pages, and the Google Knowledge Panel don't contribute to notability for Wikipedia. The newspapers could work but we would have to see (things like pure interviews or promotional pieces don't usually help much). If you provide these sources an editor could check them out. You did well in asking here instead of creating the article yourself (in my experience such articles are typically deleted due to lack of notability). Finally, don't feel dispirited if you don't end up getting an article right now; maybe after some years that could change. Cheers, Sophocrat (talk) 02:39, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you very much for the honest feedback, Sophocrat. I completely understand the need for reliable, independent coverage to meet Wikipedia’s notability standards.

::In response, I’ve gathered six major media sources from respected Nigerian newspapers — including The Guardian, Punch, Vanguard, ThisDayLive, The Nation, and Daily Trust. These are not just interviews or promotional pieces — most of them are independent reports discussing my digital influence, work as a TikTok creator, and my contributions to content creation in Africa.

::Here are the links:

::* https://punchng.com/tiktok-star-realjjfrosh-plans-social-platform-for-creators/?amp

::* https://guardian.ng/features/realjjfrosh-viral-tiktok-creator-pioneering-africas-social-media-growth/

::* https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/03/realjjfrosh-the-rising-force-behind-viral-tiktok-trends-in-africa/amp/

::* https://thenationonlineng.net/how-realjjfrosh-nigerian-internet-sensation-redefines-content-creation-across-africa/amp/

::* https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2025/04/01/realjjfrosh-the-digital-strategist-redefining-social-media-influence-in-africa/

::* https://dailytrust.com/realjjfrosh-a-rising-tiktok-creator-known-for-engaging-social-media-trends-2/

::I’d truly appreciate it if you or any experienced editor could take a second look and advise if this level of coverage supports notability. I’m happy to wait or work on improving anything further.

::Thanks again 🙏

::—Realjjfrosh Realjjfrosh (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I am sorry Realjjfrosh, but there is problem in your context. I have already included a guideline that says WP:What Wikipedia is not, please read it carefully. Creating your own BLP is stongly discouraged and may not pass AfC review as usual. Think it like this- adding a bunch of news article does not means that article is able to be written in mainspace (Wikipedia article space) because we follow varieties of guidelines when we decide to write an article, such as BUT NOT LIMITED TO, WP:Notability (are you notable enough in public, outside TikTok, to pass your own article criteria), WP:RS (every source is reliable and not a biased promotion), WP:Primary sources and WP:COI etc. Primary sources carry very less weight if you will not pass other guidelines. More importantly, what does these sources tells about you matters more than just mentioning you. Even well-known newspapers can publish soft journalism (interviews, paid features, or PR fluff). Many African newspapers — like Vanguard, ThisDayLive, and even Punch — have a high number of advertorials, which do not count under WP:RS (Reliable Sources) or WP:SIGCOV (Significant Coverage). Also being popular on social media platforms like TikTok, even with millions of followers, does not mean notability per Wikipedia standards unless their influence has been the subject of analysis in third-party media, academia, or other non-trivial contexts. Again, please understand that Wikipedia is not a promotional blog site, i can understand that you just want to publish your BLP but we must adhere with Wikipedia guidelines. I would advise you to wait few years until you gain more coverage, thank you for making Wikipedia better place. Wh67890 (talk) 06:05, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Sorry for not including WP:NPOV. Wh67890 (talk) 06:18, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Realjjfrosh There are already a number of articles in Wikipedia covering TikTokers. They are listed at :Category:TikTokers. We currently have 10 :Category:Nigerian TikTokers and if you look at some of these articles you will get an idea of the sort of sources which work to show Wikinotability. Writing a draft using the articles for creation process is the accepted way for people like you who have a conflict of interest to proceed. Please also read Help:Your first article and our policy on biographies of living people. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:19, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:I do not understand why there is so much misunderstanding that Wikipedia is a blogging platform. WP:What Wikipedia is not. Wh67890 (talk) 02:55, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::OP is not asking about blogging. Their query is reasonable and this is a good place to ask it. This is the tea house where inexperienced users including potential article subjects are expected to be treated with kindness and understanding. The tone of your reply is inappropriate anywhere on Wikipedia, but especially on this page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:::No I merely gave all the information one need without spoonfeeding, it depends on how you take it, have a good day. Wh67890 (talk) 09:14, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Also I don't expect anything else from a TikToker other than blogging, since Wikipedia hardly need them here when they are already quite well known on other websites. Regarding my tone, I don't spoonfeed, if you are child or get offended by reality on my telling in how Wikipedia works you need to work on Youtube Kids. Wh67890 (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::::You are required to Assume good faith.

::::And cut the snark. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:19, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

I received articles from a paid service claiming they are usable for Wikipedia page creation. Can you please confirm whether these articles meet the reliable sources policy?

Article publish paltform links such as:

1. https://medium.com/...

2. https://vocal.media/...

3. https://livepositively.com/... 1.165.202.253 (talk) 01:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi IP editor, pieces published on these platforms are generally unreliable because they are WP:USERGENERATED: anyone can write anything on these platforms. In addition, paid-for articles are not independent sources, so they cannot be used to establish notability. Do not send money to these people or anyone else who contacts you; see WP:SCAM. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Tq|1=claiming they are usable for Wikipedia page creation}}, this is strange. Furthermore Medium, vocal, livepositively and other PAID services are not reliable in Wikipedia standard, this is because Wikipedia is FOSS (free and open source) platform, and we generally allow informations that are not just reliable but also free for most of the community members. However, note that there is no absolute rule that paid articles are completely restricted, because in many cases we allow paid sources (such as JSTOR etc.), but we strongly discourage sources that are undisclosed and provide biased promotion such as in your case. Morever, Vocal platform is not available in other many countries (such as India etc.). This creates more bias and misinformation for those who does not have access to cross verification.

:What you can try are:

:1. News

:2. journals

:3. reputable websites

:4. goverment sources etc. Wh67890 (talk) 02:49, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

It says he’s alive on his page but on deaths of 2025 it says he’s dead why is that? Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:12, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello {{user link|Lordofcallofduty}}. It seems the Axel Skalstad article has simply not been updated by anyone. You can do it yourself if you wish :). Cheers, Sophocrat (talk) 02:28, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|Woni Spotts}}

How do I report vandalism and attacks on a wikipedia page since 2019? It started when a traveler had a wikipedia page and a rival explorer added a controversy section, vandalized the page September 2019) and somehow it was scheduled for deletion. The subject of the vandalized page lost faith in the process. Later, someone restored her page and set the record straight with articles and a world record. Now, the same vandalism is being penetrated again (this time with personal attacks). Also, since the other woman has no world record, admitted to not going to Syria, and is not notable as "first." Why does she have a page? She just selling a book, which somehow is allowed. What can the be done?

Thank you 2600:8802:3A09:6400:86C:E076:FB1:CD8 (talk) 03:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:IP editor, it would help if you could identify the article in question. What you are describing does not sound like vandalism, and world records are not needed for an article to exist. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 03:21, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

: {{tq|The subject of the ... page lost faith in the process}}. It sounds as though WP:COI may be relevant. You may report the issue you describe at WP:BLPN, if following the process described at WP:DR is unsuccessful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:39, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi everyone,

I’ve been given a task to help my grandfather, and would appreciate your guidance.

My grandfather, Juwana, served as Indonesia’s ambassador to:

• China (1994–1997) – listed here: :id:Daftar Duta Besar Indonesia untuk Tiongkok
• Vietnam – listed here: :id:Daftar Duta Besar Indonesia untuk Vietnam

His name appears on both lists, but there’s no dedicated article about him yet.

He recently asked how every ambassadro had their own Wiki... and it didn't help that his son also has a Wikipedia article (not sure who wrote it, but my dad's wiki is here: Hikmahanto’s page is here: https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikmahanto_Juwana. Definitely aint me :D

So here’s my question:

Would my grandfather qualify for a Wikipedia article, given his ambassadorial roles?

I found an article referring him, but most of the information is given by my grandfather. Are primary sources acceptable if there aren’t many third-party media references? Considering he was mostly active in 60s - 90s... in which there wasn't a lot of digitally available documents then.

Is it possible to set up a page for him?

Appreciate any advice so I can approach this respectfully and properly. Thank you in advance! Opj5000 (talk) 03:15, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:HI @Opj5000, welcome to wikipedia! Ambassadors aren't "inherently notable", which means that in order to have an article on them, we need to see that they pass the guidelines at WP:NBIO. Primary sources aren't acceptable, unfortunately. You might be surprised about digitized sources - the 1990s can be rough, but earlier than that is often digitized in national archives. -- asilvering (talk) 03:33, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Opj5000, it looks like you are referring to the Indonesian-language Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia project has its own rules and its own set of articles; we at the English Wikipedia cannot help with matters on the Indonesian Wikipedia. You can try asking at :id:Wikipedia:Warung Kopi (Lain-lain), Indonesian Wikipedia's version of the Teahouse. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:36, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for direction, will try to consult there! Opj5000 (talk) 05:05, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Please also be aware of :id:Wikipedia:Konflik kepentingan (equivalent of our WP:COI) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:03, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse,

I recently submitted an article draft about my company/organization [BNW Developments] on Wikipedia, but it was not accepted. I tried to follow the guidelines, wrote in a neutral tone, and included references. However, it keeps getting declined or deleted, and I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong.

Can someone kindly help me understand what specific issues might be causing the rejection? Is it about notability, tone, sourcing, or something else?

I’d really appreciate any guidance or suggestions for improving it so that it meets Wikipedia’s standards.

Thanks in advance! SamCollierz (talk) 05:44, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you see it getting rejected, you will also find somewhere in the rejection field the reason for the AfC declined. Usually AfC reviewer must leave a reason as to why they have rejected the Article. Thankyou. Wh67890 (talk) 06:15, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::Also the place where you wrote your WP:First article is called sandbox and it is different than draftspace and as I see it was deleted because it contains promotional tone. Please write new article in WP:About the sandbox but without any promotional tone. Wh67890 (talk) 07:34, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:::No, do not create article content in the public sandbox, it is for edit testing, and gets blanked frequently. (@Wh67890, please do not give incorrect or misleading advice.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:42, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::::My mistake, I gave link on public sandbox instead of about the sandbox. Wh67890 (talk) 09:42, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @SamCollierz: I assume you're referring to your sandbox draft User:SamCollierz/sandbox? This was deleted (a couple of months ago) as purely promotional, with no evidence of notability. I don't believe it was ever submitted for review, so wouldn't have been declined or rejected (which are two different outcomes) at AfC.

:I've posted a paid-editing query on your talk page, please read and action it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:33, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you intend to work to improve it and make it suitable for publication, you can request undeletion of your sandbox: WP:REFUND. However, you should first be sure that you can demonstarte that the company meets the requirements at WP:NCORP. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

I am not able to edit and correct my Wikipedia. P_lease help me. Rasagiline (talk) 10:17, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you referring to Moussa B. H. Youdim? Is that about you? If so, please see WP:About you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:54, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, some month back i was partially blocked to edit articles, so i was tasked to make edit request on article talk pages, I have made some edits, but i have not been able to get them reviewed by an editor

1. Talk:Elli Papakonstantinou
2. Talk:Julie Brigham-Grette
3. Talk:Samuel Kamau Macharia
4. Talk:Roberto Capucci
5. Talk:Princess Lalla Hasna of Morocco
6. Talk:NaakMusiQ
7. Talk:Ahmed Shafik (surgeon)

i have attached the articles i made edit requests for, please is there something i am missing Funtiberry (talk) 12:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{yo|Funtiberry}} Five of the seven requests are from yesterday, and the other two are only a couple of days older. Edit requests are handled by volunteers (like everything else at Wikipedia), and there is no way of knowing when someone will have the time and inclination to look at a particular edit request – but a few days is not a long wait, so you may simply need to change your expectations a little. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:11, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you, for your time... well understood Funtiberry (talk) 12:12, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::I was just checking wither an edit request I made on 7 May had been dealt with.

::It hasn't. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:29, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Should I report this person? I’m not sure how or where to, or whether I can.

See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nineteen_Eighty-Four&diff=prev&oldid=1294842914 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nineteen_Eighty-Four&diff=prev&oldid=1294848640 here]. Keeper of Albion (talk) 12:04, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please follow the guidance at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:27, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Keeper of Albion I haven't looked in detail at the diffs but the general approach is part of our usual process aimed to reach a consensus for what should be in articles. You are certainly entitled to revert other editor's contributions if you don't think they improve an article. Try, however, to keep any parts you think are OK and only revert the parts you disagree with. Then use the article's talk page (and your edit summary) to explain what you have done. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:34, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Such as: "What video games revisit past video games' levels other than Sonic Generations, Shadow Generations, the Lego Dimensions Sonic Level Pack, and Sonic Mania? Counting sequels, not remakes or remasters."

My reason for asking this question is that, as I said in Special:Diff/1294902864 (and, before that, in Special:Diff/1285603051),

{{blockquote|According to MOS:VG#Exceptions, "It is usually inappropriate to list all the levels in a game, but Sonic Generations is an exception because its reliance on aspects from prior Sonic games is the basis of the game." Sonic Generations#Levels and Shadow Generations#Levels are instances of this exception, and Sonic Mania#Levels probably is, too.}} Ss0jse (talk) 12:13, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:On the talk page of the articles concerned, or on the talk pages of the policies.

:More generally, follow the guidance at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi,

I'm a new editor. I recently published an article on Abraham Osinubi, but it has been tagged as “This biographical article is written like a résumé.” I’ve since revised the wording and made several edits to improve the tone and neutrality. However, the tag is still showing at the top of the page. How can I request its removal?

Thank you! Redstarwiki (talk) 12:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you feel the issues have been adequately addressed, then you can remove the tag yourself. However, if another user feels that article still reads like a résumé, then it may be added back. Just warning you. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:10, 12 June 2025 (UTC)