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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2015 March 22. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2015 March 22. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:31, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|American Athletic Conference law school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|American Athletic Conference med school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Atlantic Coast Conference business school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Atlantic Coast Conference engineering school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Atlantic Coast Conference law school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Atlantic Coast Conference medical school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Ten Conference business school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Ten Conference engineering school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Ten Conference law school navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Ten Med Schools}}

:{{Tfd links|Ivy League engineering school navbox}}

Delete all per previous TfD discussion and deletion of similar navboxes @Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 October 15; in that prior TfD discussion, we have already deleted navboxes for Southeastern Conference student newspapers and mass transit systems. The subjects of these navboxes are various constituent academic colleges and schools of the member universities of specific college athletic conferences. Colleges of business, engineering, law and medicine are not college varsity sports teams, and they are not directly related to the universities' membership in their athletic conferences. The prestige and academic reputation of these colleges and schools are not dependent on the membership of their parent universities in these athletic conferences. In fact, the universities' membership in such sports conferences has little, if anything, to do with the universities' constituent colleges and schools: these are college sports conferences, not academic associations. To help discussion participants better evaluate these attenuated relationships in Wikipedia terms, here are the five WP:NAVBOX criteria for evaluating whether a particular subject may be appropriate for a navbox:

:::"1. All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject.

:::"2. The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.

:::"3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent.

:::"4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.

:::"5. You would want to list many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles."

In my opinion, all of these navboxes fail criteria nos. 2, 3, 4 and 5 -- and these criteria, including the absence of stand-alone articles for these topics, strongly suggest that these are not appropriate navbox topics. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• Shouldn't {{tl|Ivy League medical school navbox}}, {{tl|Ivy League law school navbox}}, and {{tl|Ivy League business school navbox}} be considered with the above?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

:*{{Ping|TonyTheTiger}} No, for the simple reason that the Ivy League business, law and med schools are actually supported by existing list articles, and there is some academic reputational validity to those three groupings, so they are not situated similarly to the AAC, ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC groupings. In fairness, I plan to submit those three Ivy League navboxes in a separate TfD to permit them to be judged on their own merits, without confusing this TfD discussion. (I also responded to your inquiry on my user talk page, tony.) Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

• Keep if you don't think {{tl|Ivy League medical school navbox}}, {{tl|Ivy League law school navbox}}, and {{tl|Ivy League business school navbox}} should be nominated, I don't think we should be treating the other templates differently.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

:*Reply - {{Ping|TonyTheTiger}} That's not what I wrote immediately above, Tony. I said that the Ivy business, law and med schools should be nominated separately because they do have stand-alone list articles, and they deserve to be considered on their own merits. That is not the same as saying they should not be nominated. None of the 11 templates submitted in this TfD discussion satisfy the five WP:NAVBOX criteria, including the fact that none of them have stand-alone articles for the navbox subjects. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

:*Related TfDs - {{Ping|TonyTheTiger}} For the TfD nomination of the three navboxes of Ivy League business, law and medical schools, please see the related TfD discussion @ Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 March 2#Template:Ivy League business school navbox. As noted above, these three navboxes have been separately nominated for deletion because they are not identically situated to those AAC, ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 conference navboxes listed above. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

• Delete per criteria 2,3,4 & 5 above. We should maintain a consistent standard. --rogerd (talk) 13:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Related TfD discussions - Please note that there are two other pending TfD discussions regarding similar topics: (1) #Template:Atlantic Coast Conference business school navbox and (2) Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 March 2#Template:Ivy League business school navbox. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• delete athletics conference association is not an academic grouping. Frietjes (talk) 20:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete In addition to the arguments put forth by Dirtlawyer1, the burden of proof is on those who argue that these navboxes align well with how others' classify these subjects or how they classify themselves e.g., active organizations that mirror these navboxes. In the absence of such evidence, the assumption that these subjects are not classified or organized according to the athletic conference of their respective institutions is a natural one that requires rebuttal. (I would not be surprised if such evidence can be provided in a few instances where some subjects have created such organizations; however, we still require evidence.) ElKevbo (talk) 20:12, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2015 March 22. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:32, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Spread of IE-languages}}

:{{Tfd links|Indo-Aryan migration}}

:{{Tfd links|Spread of Vedic culture}}

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Aspect}}

Vanity template for non-notable band. Used only on one userpage. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 17:46, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• Delete – Seems to feign notability by adding all the notable artists they've covered on the bottom, but I can't find anything that makes them notable. TCN7JM 20:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
• We might not be notable yet, but we're doing gigs and small shows, and this is a big deal for everyone involved. It's funny, one template is accepted using one method, and the next is not... anyway, I created it so that it adds that extra little bit of information in the form of a template, because that's basically what all other artists use, notable or not. If I'm dedicating a large piece of my user page to Aspect, then I thought a template would be a great way to finish it off. It's just a personal thing that I've added to the page to say that I've contributed in that sort of way. If it were to be kept, within the next year it wouldn't look as simple as it does. Please, don't delete the template. ^(talk)4TheWynne^(cont) 20:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
• After reading the below, userfication could probably work. TCN7JM 07:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Already userfied, so delete. TCN7JM 17:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination rationale: non-notable band; all but one of the working links are to articles about those notable bands whose songs have been covered by the subject band. The last link (the subject band's name) is actually a redirect to the article about the lead singer. This violates so many of the WP:NAVBOX criteria I don't even know where to start. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
• Firstly, it directs to the user page of the bass player. Secondly, if I'm just using it as an aid for my user page (and nothing else), then despite the violations, is it really that big a deal? Can't I just keep it there where it (seemingly) won't bother anyone with its non-notability? ^(talk)4TheWynne^(cont) 21:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete per Dirtlawyer1, or userfy if 4TheWynne wants to keep it for personal use. Alakzi (talk) 00:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

::I left instructions on 4TheWynne's talk page on how to userify this. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

:::Thank you. I've tried the idea, and I hope it works. ^(talk)4TheWynne^(cont) 04:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

• Delete this is not about aspect; the top link is a user page User:4TheWynne; and all the bluelinks aside from that are not navigational, as bands covered by Aspect are not proper navigation content. Personal templates should be kept in userspace, not tempaltespace. User:4TheWynne/Template:Aspect for instance. Clearly this cannot be used in anyspace outside of userspace, so should not be in templatespace. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 04:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• 4TheWynne has recreated this template at User:4TheWynne/Aspect, so Template:Aspect can safely be deleted now. Alakzi (talk) 19:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete topic link is to a user page --  Gadget850 ^talk 17:17, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
• Userfy or delete since this should not be in template space —PC-XT+ 04:30, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|American Athletic Conference student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Atlantic Coast Conference student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Atlantic Coast Conference student radio station navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Sky Conference student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Sky Conference student radio navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Ten Conference student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big Ten Conference student radio station navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Big 12 Conference student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Conference USA student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Ivy League student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Ivy League student radio station navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Pacific-12 Conference student newspaper navbox}}

:{{Tfd links|Pacific-12 Conference student radio navbox}}

Delete all per previous TfD discussion and deletion of similar navboxes @Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 October 15; in that prior TfD discussion, we have already deleted navboxes for Southeastern Conference student newspapers and mass transit systems. The subject of these navboxes is student newspapers and other student media at member universities of the identified athletic conferences. Student newspapers and media are not college varsity sports teams, and are not related to the universities' membership in these athletic conferences. Here are the five WP:NAVBOX criteria for evaluating whether a particular subject may be appropriate for a navbox:

:::"1. All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject.

:::"2. The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.

:::"3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent.

:::"4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.

:::"5. You would want to list many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles."

In my opinion, all of these navboxes fail criteria nos. 2, 3, 4 and 5 -- and these criteria, including the absence of stand-alone articles for these topics, strongly suggest that these are not appropriate navbox topics.Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - College athletic leagues not relevant to academic departments/student activities.--GrapedApe (talk) 23:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete per criteria 2,3,4 & 5 above. We should maintain a consistent standard. --rogerd (talk) 13:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Related TfD discussions - Please note that there are two other pending TfD discussions regarding similar topics: (1) #Template:Atlantic Coast Conference business school navbox and (2) Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 March 2#Template:Ivy League business school navbox. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete In addition to the arguments put forth by Dirtlawyer1, the burden of proof is on those who argue that these navboxes align well with how others' classify these subjects or how they classify themselves e.g., active organizations that mirror these navboxes. In the absence of such evidence, the assumption that these subjects are not classified or organized according to the athletic conference of their respective institutions is a natural one that requires rebuttal. (I would not be surprised if such evidence can be provided in a few instances where some subjects have created such organizations; however, we still require evidence.) ElKevbo (talk) 20:12, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• delete athletics association is not relevant to student media. Frietjes (talk) 20:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete all per previous TfD link. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete all as others have argued. Neutrality^talk 18:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Timetable of South Asia}}

extremely large collapsed table which really should only be used in one article, we already have {{tl|History of South Asia}}. Frietjes (talk) 15:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• You may have a point here. Let's see if there are other opinions. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

::Nevertheless, I'dprefer to keep it. Indian history is very complicated, and this gives a very nice overview. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

• If no article can be found for it, move to Timeline of South Asia and remove all transclusions. Alakzi (talk) 01:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete, not an useful template and there is already a better template. Alakzi, there is no such article and Timeline of South Asia is a redirect. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• {{ping|Bladesmulti}} I'm proposing to convert it into an article. The redirect would be deleted. Alakzi (talk) 12:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• There's also {{tl|Periodisation of Hinduism}} and {{tl|Periodisation of Indian History}}. Alakzi (talk) 19:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
• I'm puzzled at why editors try to do this with a table when an image would be very much preferable. --Izno (talk) 05:19, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
• :Images don't contain links. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
• However, it's there with informations in detail. Such tables are seen rarely with such precise facts.Ghatus (talk) 06:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
• :: {{ping|Joshua Jonathan}} {{tag|imagemap}}. --Izno (talk) 16:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
• Agree. It's a useful table, also because it not only gives an overview of the states and kingdoms etc, but also of the cultural changes, and of the regional vaiances. Some people may actually be interested in those details, especially when it concerns their own country. If not, people can ignore it, since the default mode is "collapsed." Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
• Reformat This should not be a side template in this format. It should be a footer. I have no opinion whether it should be kept if reformatted.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
• TonyTheTiger, that idea [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATimetable_of_South_Asia&diff=647063849&oldid=646532288 was reverted]. Frietjes (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
• User:Frietjes, Thanks. I don't agree with the reversion. It is to large for a sidebar template though.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
• Comment see TfD for Periodisation of Indian History. Frietjes (talk) 16:45, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
• Delete. Content may be useful in a single article (History of South Asia) but is unsuitable as a template. Neutrality^talk 05:31, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:51, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|F1 games dino}}

unused, unedited since 2010 NSH002 (talk) 14:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

• Delete, unused and redundant to {{tl|F1 games}}. Alakzi (talk) 01:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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