Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 July 27

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Primefac (talk) 13:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|ISO 15924/wp-category}}

No transclusions. As with the nomination below, it is tricky to determine if this template subpage is actually used or is just leftover cruft from a development process. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:Keep. No, this is not leftover cruft from development. It is one of the integral functions of the base ISO 15924 templates, a repository of Wikipedia metadata (i.e. category name) about the information from the ISO standard. I don't know about other editors, or even if there are others who have used this functionality, but I have used it in substitution preview to permanently populate pages into writing system categories, thus the lack of transclusion. This is in direct contrast with the below nomination, which is a tabular presentation of ISO 15924 content, and these two should be judged on their individual merits, not collectively. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 21:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks for the clarification. Should {{tl|subst only}} be added to the documentation? – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:::No, only {{tlx|may be substituted}} might be appropriate. It works just fine not being substituted. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 00:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

::Can you explain where you previously used this? Gonnym (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

:::Dear lord, I created and edited so many writing systems articles back in the day, and it's been so long I don't even know where to start. Note that my recollection has changed from above when I thought I'd substituted - but I'm pretty sure I previewed {{ISO 15924|wp-category|Qaaa}} to generate the category name instead of delving through the :category:Writing systems tree. I happened to know about it because I created the wrapper functionality back {{diff||prev|445344124|in 2011}} when {{tlx|ISO 15924}} was previously just a documentation guide to all the subtemplates that had been created. I was deep into the process of my own Unicode proposal at the time, so I had a lot of research and knowledge at my fingertips to fill in holes in our content at that time. But that has not been the case for a while now, and my contributions in that area are mostly building out :category:Indic letters, which includes a good deal of image creation and adapting formulaic language to describe the different writing systems as they are incorporated, but no novel categorization in the writing systems sphere. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 16:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Category link if exists. No opposition, with the grayed-out version clearly preferred. Primefac (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Category link if exists 2|module= |type=merge}}
• {{Tfd links|Category link if exists|module= |type=merge}}

Propose merging Template:Category link if exists 2 with Template:Category link if exists.

Version 2 grays out nonexistent categories; version 1 does not apply any styling to nonexistent categories. If there is really a need, we can add something like {{para|gray|no}}. But I do not see a need: version 1 had three (3) transclusions (compared to 61,000 for v2), so there is clearly a lack of demand for the non-grayed functionality and I don't think it is worth the added complexity. For transparency, I did just indirectly remove two transclusions of v1 because they were substitutions from an old version of {{t|estcatCountry}} (diff1 and diff2), but that template should not have been substituted in those two instances. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

:I realize that I did not make this clear: I am proposing we keep the functionality of v2 but host the template at {{t|Category link if exists}}. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 18:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.