Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#KELLY LYN NOONE'S DEATH

{{Lafc|username=SbnBI|ts=00:02, 18 June 2025|draft=Sam Harvey – An Atypical Unicorn within the Whispering Woods Ecosystem}}

why did my draft get declined ? SbnBI (talk) 00:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{courtesylink|Draft:Sam Harvey – An Atypical Unicorn within the Whispering Woods Ecosystem}}

:The reason it was rejected, @SbnBI, is because Wikipedia is not for things you made up. You may want to take your writing to a blog site, where you will have a much more appreciative audience. Meadowlark (talk) 00:19, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Dylan2Geoffrey|ts=00:14, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:TrendForce}}

hi there, my apologies for resubmitting without making the necessary edits. May I ask for some guidance on 1) what needs to be changed to qualify for submission, and 2) how to resubmit? Thank you. Dylan2Geoffrey (talk) 00:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:It has now been rejected as unsuitable, not just declined, so your next step if you are confused is to discuss it with the reviewer if you think you have a good argument to make. However, I can tell you from reading it that it would have to be fundamentally rewritten with a completely different approach. As it is, half the draft is citations themselves, when citations are supposed to be support information about the subject, not be the content. There's not a single, independent source given that is about TrendForce, just a bunch of articles in which "Trendforce says/said" on other topics.

:To get another shot at the article, it needs to be approached in the opposite matter. Find three good independent articles that are about Trendforce. Not simply quoting TrendForce, or mentioning TrendForce or anything written by TrendForce. Then write an article based solely on the reliable, independent information about TrendForce. In addition, if you do have any WP:COI to disclose, it's best to do that as soon as possible, whether it's as an employee, someone paid to write about TrendForce, whether you're also operating the Hiyaworld account, or any other relation you might have with the subject.

:Without the steps in the second section here, this is likely the end of the road for this article, at least for the time being. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Dylan2Geoffrey.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

:{{HD/WINI}} ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Textbypeeps|ts=02:48, 18 June 2025|draft=User:Textbypeeps/sandbox2}}

Tone has been revised to neutral, and have added reliable sources. May I know which part is needed improvement of the tone? And do you see any remaining issues that might trigger rejection? Textbypeeps (talk) 02:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:The list of "leading authentication platforms" stands out as promotional.

:Question: do you have a connection to any of the companies listed in your draft, or any sneaker authentication/resale service? Please see WP:Conflict of interest and make a disclosure if applicable. If you are employed by any of these companies, you are required to make a paid-editing disclosure as described on WP:PAID. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=IsabellaPavla|ts=03:13, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Malia O’Reilly}}

I do not know why this page was rejected for something along the lines of promoting or advertising. I feel like I presented information about her well and if there was something classified as promoting then I will promptly delete it. Please give me some assistance on this matter. IsabellaPavla (talk) 03:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:There's never been a draft by that name on the English-language Wikipedia, and nothing about any drafts with a similar name is in your contributions. I do note you have deleted edits, however; an admin will be able to see those. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 03:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @IsabellaPavla

:I also can't see the draft, or find evidence that it existed. But I will note that often when drafts are declined for being promotional or reading like an advertisement, the problem is that the draft says what the subject (or people close to the subject) say or want to say. {{HD/WINI}} ColinFine (talk) 21:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Mohammad Lahham|ts=05:19, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Extensya}}

i need to publish article on Wikipedia for a company named extensya so i draft one article, and i get rejected i need someone to help me on this status. Mohammad Lahham (talk) 05:19, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your employer may have set you an impossible task, @Mohammad Lahham. Your draft has been rejected, which means it will not be published on Wikipedia. Can I suggest reading through WP:BOSS and then sharing it with your employer? Meadowlark (talk) 07:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Fixedealo|ts=07:13, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:International_Pediatric_Endosurgery_Group}}

The article keeps being rejected despite of showing notability and credibility. Kindly provide advice as there are many listed similar less important societies Fixedealo (talk) 07:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Fixedealo: well, sort of. This draft (not yet article) was declined several times, and then finally rejected outright. Rejection means the end of the road, therefore this will not be considered further. As for other articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.

:What is your relationship with this subject? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:43, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Access gopal|ts=10:00, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Quess_Corp}}

I am seeking assistance with the draft for Quess Corp, a public company. I have submitted this draft for review twice, and both submissions were declined due to concerns about a promotional tone and a lack of sufficiently independent, reliable sources. I am struggling to understand precisely how to improve the article to meet Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View and Verifiability policies, and to demonstrate the subject's notability through appropriate sources. Any guidance on specific areas for improvement, particularly regarding tone and sourcing, would be greatly appreciated. Gopal Krishna (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Which three of your sources meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:42? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::I have tried to include as many as I can; I think these links should cover all there is. I have specifically removed the paid editorials. These are coming from Forbes, The Hindu, Economic Times, and NSE (NSE data is known for reliability and monitored and controlled by SEBI). All these are independent and covering all WP:42 requirements. Please guide.

::# https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/news/quess-corp-shares-in-focus-as-nclt-clears-demerger-new-entities-to-list-in-two-months/articleshow/118774552.cms?from=mdr

::# https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/quess-corp-acquires-monsters-business/article22613035.ece

::# https://www.forbesindia.com/article/special/quess-corp-stock-ends-day-up-58.68-percent-on-debut/43767/1

::# https://www.nseindia.com/get-quotes/equity?symbol=QUESS

::Gopal Krishna (talk) 10:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Pigsonthewing any thoughts Andy? Gopal Krishna (talk) 10:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Access gopal: these are all just routine business reporting, almost certainly based on press releases etc. issued by the company, and as such they are neither significant coverage nor independent (and possibly also not entirely reliable), and therefore do not contribute towards notability per WP:NCORP. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::::@DoubleGrazing Can you help me understand with an example what will work? Should I look for a reference which is not related to an event but an overall company introduction?

::::I have picked this page to do it from scratch as it is a public company and not available on Wikipedia. I was assuming it would be easy to establish the WP:42 requirements. Gopal Krishna (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Is this something that would work?

:::::https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/news/quess-corp-subsidiaries-digitide-solutions-bluspring-enterprises-set-to-list-on-stock-exchanges-today/articleshow/121767097.cms?from=mdr

:::::or this: https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/quess-corp-aims-to-become-a-period-victory-workplace-partners-with-sustainable-menstruation-coalition/91857836

:::::or this: https://indiacsr.in/quess-corp-to-continue-csr-focus-on-revamping-school-infrastructure/ Gopal Krishna (talk) 12:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::No. The first and second are again routine business reporting, and clearly based on press statements; the first may have a bit of additional reporting, but the second is pure press blurb and doesn't even have a byline. The third is an interview, which means it isn't independent, since it is a representative of the company talking. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Access gopal: an example would be where a journalist or a subject matter expert has on their own initiative (ie. not prompted or incentivised by the company in any way, and not fed information by them) decided to write about the company, focusing on why in their opinion the company is noteworthy and/or doing impactful things. And we need to see such coverage in multiple outlets, which must be reliable and independent of the subject and of each other.

:::::This is a high bar, make no mistake about it. The vast majority of businesses would not pass this threshold. Wikipedia is not a business directory where merely existing warrants an entry; there does need to be something remarkable about the business. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Got it, let me research more to find such links, and hopefully I would be able to add a valuable information as per Wiki standards. Thank you so much for the help @DoubleGrazing. Gopal Krishna (talk) 14:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Wilk10|ts=11:11, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Bevy_(game_engine)}}

I removed the GitHub repo links. Are the two citations from https://bevy-cheatbook.github.io/ acceptable? That's where the documentation for this secondary source is hosted, it's not a code repo. I guess otherwise I have to cite the primary source in these cases. Thanks! Wilk10 (talk) 11:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Wilk10: I suppose you can cite Github if you wish (although I'm not sure why a 'cheatbook' is relevant?), just be aware that it contributes nothing towards notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply. I was looking for secondary sources that would list certain features, instead of primary sources. Wilk10 (talk) 13:55, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::It's still a primary source, even if it's third party to the Bevy developers (I say 'if', because while it may be, I don't know that).

:::And just to clarify, primary sources, including ones close to the subject, can be used (assuming they're reliable) to support straightforward, non-contentious factual statements. But they cannot be used to establish notability, which is the reason why this draft has been consistently declined. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Ok thanks for the explanation, all clear. Wilk10 (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=WikiWanderer12345678910|ts=11:36, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:M.S.407_-_School_of_Technology,_Arts,_and_Research}}

Hello. I have gotten my Wikipedia article above declined. If I could know which sources are unreliable, that would be great. Thank you for reading and understanding. And if you have, thank you for replying and helping me out. WikiWanderer12345678910 (talk) 11:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@WikiWanderer12345678910: this wasn't declined because the sources are not reliable (although the last one is user-generated, and gets flagged up as such), but rather that they don't establish notability. WP:ORG is the notability guideline you're aiming for; study it, and it tells you what sort of sources we would need to see. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Zahid super|ts=13:17, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:World_Memon_Day}}

Please Guide me for this article "World Memon Day". As it's a very important day for Memon Community. Zahid super (talk) 13:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Zahid super: this draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. It may well be an important day for some community, but if the subject is not notable enough in Wikipedia terms, it's not going into the encyclopaedia. Sorry, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=OlhaAsmolova|ts=14:12, 18 June 2025|draft=Konstantin_Anisimovich_Pavlov}}

Hello. My article has been recently accepted. It is not coming up in Google search. I want to change the page title to: Konstantin Pavlov (iconographer). Can I do this? When I click edit, the name of the article is not accessible. Thank you! OlhaAsmolova (talk) 14:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{re|OlhaAsmolova}} we have no control over when Google indexes new articles. All I can say is that this has been autopatrolled (patrolling being a requirement for indexability), so it may be just that it takes a little bit longer. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for explaining! I'll wait and see if it comes up later. OlhaAsmolova (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@OlhaAsmolova Please do not be concerned with elements outside your control. Writing articles for Wikipedia should be it sown reward. We do not wrte them to feed search engines. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 20:44, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=ZumperCrystal|ts=14:42, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Zumper}}

Hi there, would love some guidance as I am trying to figure out what kind of sources will be the best for proving notability based on feedback. Would articles that discuss what Zumper is and pros and cons of using the website like https://www.mashvisor.com/blog/zumper/ and https://landlordgurus.com/should-i-use-zumper-rental-listings/ be considered since they are more in-depth? Or best of articles from reliable websites like this one https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/the-10-best-apps-for-finding-your-next-apartment? ZumperCrystal (talk) 14:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@ZumperCrystal see Your first article and WP:NCORP. The first link is a blog so not a reliable source (see WP:BLOG), the second shows no evidence it meets the reliable source criteria, and US News does not appear to meet product review criteria. S0091 (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Hyggemule|ts=14:58, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Matthew_Swarts}}

I recently edited and resubmitted this draft of American photographer and digital artist Matthew Swarts.

It was closed without explanation and I do not know how to proceed. Please help. Many kind thanks. Hyggemule (talk) 14:58, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Hyggemule I sorhted that ability to proceed out for you, submitted it on your behalf, and {{declined}} it with what I hope is a decent explanation. you have work to do 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 20:41, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::Many kind thanks, this help is very much appreciated! :) Hyggemule (talk) 12:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=90.204.192.49|ts=15:29, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Brady_Kent}}

Hi

Whats the lastest with this submission please ?

Glenn McClelland

90.204.192.49 (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• You have not created a draft, you have simply written "Brady Kent". Please read WP:YFA before trying again. CoconutOctopus talk 18:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:It would probably be a good idea to read WP:BOSS as well.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Lina.poetic.jazz|ts=16:14, 18 June 2025|draft=초안 거부}}

I deleted the data because I didn't release an album in my music activities.

Do I have to register as a poet first? As a poet, I have published a book and have an ISBN number. Lina.poetic.jazz (talk) 16:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Lina.poetic.jazz. It sounds as if you have the idea that Wikipedia is a place to tell the world about yourself.

:It is not. Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged (see autobiography) and telling the world about anything (aka promotion) is forbidden.

:An article about you is possible only if you meet WIkipedia's criteria for notability - and it will be up to whoever tries to write such an article to show this. Most of us do not meet the criteria. ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Hoffr|ts=17:53, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Stephen Maitland-Lewis}}

For the second time, an editor has stated that the source references were "sponsored." The references include NPR radio stations, television networks, magazines, newspapers. All of the references are editorial, none of the references are sponsored, paid advertising. Not sure why an interview on a radio show, TV program or in a magazine, newspaper would be considered sponsored, if it's 100% editorial. Please advise. Thank you. Hoffr (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Hoffr Using NPR as an example, interviews or what the subject says is a primary source and not independent and if you look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3AStephen_Maitland-Lewis&diff=1290908429&oldid=1290109416 the edits], the reviewer removed the sponsored sources. Also, looking at Seattle Review I would say the same about it because they offer marketing services for authors so not an independent source. S0091 (talk) 18:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Tahnaz13|ts=18:12, 18 June 2025|draft=GD Colon (YouTuber)}}

I Don't Know Why My Article Got Rejected. Can You Please Help Me? Tahnaz13 (talk) 18:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Tahnaz13 the reasons for the decline are given in the decline message so read that along with Your first article. S0091 (talk) 18:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Tahnaz13|ts=18:14, 18 June 2025|draft=User:Tahnaz13/sandbox}}

I Don't Know Why My Article Got Rejected. Can You Help Me? Tahnaz13 (talk) 18:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:You have zero sources. Theroadislong (talk) 18:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please see WP:V. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:36, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=JayWuzer|ts=19:12, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft:Vimcal}}

Hi there, I’d really appreciate some help understanding why my draft article, :Draft:Vimcal, was declined. The reviewer’s comment was:

"This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources."

I made a good-faith effort to follow Wikipedia’s sourcing and neutrality guidelines and included multiple independent sources such as: Two TechCrunch articles; A feature on AlleyWatch; A review on The EA Campus (an EA-focused publication); Coverage on Founder & Force Multiplier; References to Product Hunt and Apple editorial picks.

I think what’s most confusing is that I’ve seen other accepted articles with fewer or less clearly independent sources, so I’m hoping someone can help me understand what might be missing here or how I can improve the draft to meet notability requirements.

Thanks in advance for any help or clarification! JayWuzer (talk) 19:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@JayWuzer You have declared that you are a paid editor. This is what you are paid to know by using that payment to research what is and is not good quality referencing. As a volunteer project you may find volunteers willing to hep you earn your pay. I am not one. Please do the work you have been paid to do. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 20:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::@JayWuzer I see you have stated you work for Vimcal. If your manager has instructed you to write this, please read WP:BOSS and show it to them. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 20:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please read WP:YFA and WP:other stuff exists.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} (I know your account has been around for ten years, but with ten edits, you are a new editor). ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Hyounpark|ts=21:12, 18 June 2025|draft=User:Hyounpark/Levelpath}}

Trying to figure out what is "notable" while trying to use the same standards used for other software companies that were smaller or less notable when they first were listed on Wikipedia. Hyounpark (talk) 21:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Hyounpark The issue is not other article on other companies. No precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into idiocracy. The issue is that your references do not show it to pass WP:NCORP. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 21:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::You're saying that having fixed standards is a route to idiocracy? I honestly don't understand what your reply means. I've read the notability article multiple times and I'm using references in the same way as other peer companies when they initially created their articles.

::Can you provide any cleared guidance on Noteability other than your personal opinion? I'd be glad to work on any sort of standard that can be articulated in a way that doesn't just insult my intelligence. Hyounpark (talk) 00:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{u|Hyounpark}}, the notability guideline WP:NCORP is unambiguous and crystal clear. Wikipedia has over seven million articles and at least a million are of poor quality. We do not need or want any more poor quality articles. Volunteers worldwide work 24/7 to either improve or delete poor quality articles. We have deleted over 400,000 of them. Experienced editors reject the notion that the existence of poor quality articles somehow justifies the creation of more poor quality articles. As for your draft, it is crammed full of highly promotional marketing jargon in violation of the Neutral point of view and your references are weak, showing clear signs of being the result of company marketing efforts. References to fully independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic are mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 04:02, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::::This article was outlined based on profiles for Workday, Coupa, and Looker with the goal of being "paint-by-numbers" based on established guidelines for software vendors and providing a structure that allows any user to provide additional detail, both positive or negative. If it is "crammed full" of jargon, it is only echoing current Wikipedia standards.

::::Can you at least provide an example of a current software company profile that fits your editorial standards? It seems like Wikipedia's current take is that every tech company described in Wikipedia from a functional perspective does not fit current standards? Am trying to polish this as a starting point to build additional entries in my area of expertise as Wikipedia is now the factual center of record in a post-truth world. WP:NCORP may be clear, but it's hard to find any examples that match this standard as Wikipedia currently seems to define it.

::::In the tech world, third-party trade magazines with independent editorial staff writing unpaid articles are often treated as neutral sources so it'd be helpful to get Wikipedia's current and updated description. Primary sources are only being used to describe the company and approach, just as I'd expect Wikipedia to be described with its slogan of "The Free Encyclopedia" as a meaningful attribute with a reference to the use even though there are multiple free encyclopediae. I'm happy to start from the drawing board with this, but an actual example would be extremely helpful as our perspectives on WP:NCORP obviously differ. Hyounpark (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::{{u|Hyounpark}}, Workday, Inc. is a start class article Coupa is a stub class article. Looker (company) is a start class article. Using such articles as models is like enrolling in a university class, asking to be tutored by the C and D students from the previous semester, and then complaining about getting a poor grade. When choosing model articles, always select Good articles and Featured articles. Good articles about software include Microsoft Office XP, Xgrid, Virtual Theatre, JMP (statistical software) and many more. Good articles about software businesses include Juniper Networks and Microsoft Gaming. Featured articles about companies at least partly involved with software include BAE Systems and Legend Entertainment. You apparently expect Wikipedia to be described prominently in our B-class article Wikipedia as "The Free Encyclopedia", but that is not the case because well written Wikipedia articles de-emphasize the slogans and mission statements that organizations write about themselves and instead summarize the significant coverage that reliable sources fully independent of the organization devote to it. And that article about Wikipedia includes 339 such references, most of which are fully independent. Enough with the navel gazing. In the Wikipedia world which is the real world, third-party trade magazines all too often regurgitate company press releases and PR efforts, often including lengthy statements by company officers and spokespeople. Such sources are not independent. This is not a paint by numbers project especially when it comes to topics like software startup ventures, aspiring rappers, starlets of Hollywood and Bollywood and cryptocurrencies, all of which are notoriously prone to promotional drivel. If you want to mass produce "paint by numbers" style articles about obscure insect species or tiny villages in Kyrgyzstan, go ahead, as long as you can maintain quality control. One of our editors has rapidly written thousands of articles about genuses and species of lichen. He has a PhD in lichenology. Your draft has six references. BAE Systems has 226 references. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Margaretgroh|ts=23:52, 18 June 2025|draft=Draft: Tony Yacenda}}

Hello,

: Requesting Reconsideration of Declined Draft: Tony Yacenda

I recently submitted a revised version of Draft:Tony Yacenda, which was declined. This version represents a substantial rewrite, incorporating:

• Reliable, independent, third-party sources
• Inline citations
• A neutral, encyclopedic tone
• An appropriate article structure

I noticed the draft was originally declined in 2022 for not meeting notability guidelines. However, I believe the updated version now clearly demonstrates notability under Wikipedia’s general and subject-specific notability criteria. For example:

• Tony Yacenda co-created and directed *American Vandal*, which won a **Peabody Award** and received an **Emmy nomination**.
• He has been profiled or covered in detail by reliable sources such as *The Philadelphia Inquirer*, *Polygon*, *Fast Company*, and others.
• He has had major creative roles in multiple productions for Netflix, Paramount+, and Hulu.

Could an experienced editor please review the current version and advise whether it now meets notability standards or how it can be improved further?

Thank you very much for your time and assistance! Margaretgroh (talk) 23:52, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Margaretgroh As you are presumably a human and not a robot, please rewrite this in your own words. Your draft was not declined recently, you declined it yourself with your use of AI. Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 00:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::I rely heavily on ChatGPT, but I am most certainly human! Someone submitted a cryptic article in 2022 and then abandoned it. I rewrote the article with a fair amount of input from ChatGPT on citations, structure and tone. (I thought it did a decent job.) Anyway, I think Tony meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines and I hope you agree. Margaretgroh (talk) 01:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Please help me understand what is happening to this article. I see that UtherSRG restored the original version with a comment: "Rv - the AI is dreaming again". The draft that I recreated was absolutely created by me. I am a human. ChatGPT gave me extensive help in formatting and making sure the article was cited appropriately and was written in the correct tone. Your comments and UtherSRG's make it sound as if you think there's no human involved here. There certainly is. What steps can I take to restore the version that I entered? Margaretgroh (talk) 02:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::The AI in ChatGPT incorrectly inserted a "article declined" template. This is why using AI to write articles is heavily discouraged. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 03:28, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::::{{u|Margaretgroh}}, ChatGPT is profoundly incompetent when it comes to writing Wikipedia articles. Human volunteer reviewers want to see work that is 100% written by human beings, not by hallucinating robots. The references in your draft are entirely inadequate. Cullen328 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Sarsenet, @Cullen328, Thanks for your replies. I hope that you can be patient with a new editor trying to find her way.

:::::First, let's make sure that we're talking about the same version: I submitted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tony_Yacenda&oldid=1296265113 my draft on June 18, 2025]. I think the references in that version -- like [https://www.inquirer.com/philly/entertainment/celebrities/netflixs-american-vandal-a-phallus-focused-true-crime-parody-comes-from-a-philly-guy-20171011.html Philadelphia Inquirer], [https://peabodyawards.com/award-profile/american-vandal/ The Peabody Awards], [https://www.academy.ca/2022/for-heavens-sake/ Canadian Screen Awards] -- are fairly strong. I wonder if the comment that the references were "entirely inadequate" was actually about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tony_Yacenda&oldid=1202127059 this earlier version from February 2, 2024], which @UtherSRG restored.

:::::As for the use of AI, let me try to explain that. At a Tony's wedding, some friends were making fun of the fact everyone in his peer group had a Wikipedia article, except him. His wife has one, his best man has one, etc. I thought I'd rectify that by authoring an article. I quickly understood that I was over my head. I knew I could write an article, but I wasn't sure that it would be appropriately structured and referenced to Wikipedia's standards. I let AI structure the article and insert references. I understand now that using AI is heavily discouraged.

:::::Please take another look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tony_Yacenda&oldid=1296265113 my draft] with the understanding that it was written by a human with the best intentions. Let me know what I can do to fix it so that Tony is not the only Peabody award winning director without a Wikipedia article at the next wedding. Margaretgroh (talk) 11:19, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Margaretgroh if you want the draft reviewed, click the blue Submit button. S0091 (talk) 16:06, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::{{u|Margaretgroh}}, I have my doubts that the director of every single Peabody Award winning production going all the way back to 1940 is the subject of a Wikipedia biography. Do you really believe that? I am certain that Wikipedia does not exist to provide conversational fodder at weddings, and frankly, it is bizarre that you (or your robot pal) included as a reference a wedding gift registry that informs Wikipedia readers that your personal friends wanted an All-Clad D3 Curated 10-Piece Cookware Set that sells for $799.95. I think that you are too personally connected with Yacenda to write from the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. As SOO91 points out, you can click the "submit" button and get another opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 16:28, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Honestly, I thought AI did a pretty good job of making the copy neutral and well sourced. I guess the Zola reference was tasteless. This is my first article, I'm learning. I'm working on making sure the references are from the best sources, and the content is neutral. I think Tony's body of work is bigger than one Peabody award and I think a well written article would be worthwhile content. I'm really open to feedback.

::::::::Here's a serious question: I wanted to add that Tony is married to Taylor Misiak. I understand everything needs to be sourced. That's why I included the link to the registry. What should I do? Should I omit the relationship, mention it and leave it unsourced, or reference Zola. Margaretgroh (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::@Margaretgroh you think the LLM did well because you are not a Wikipedia editor.:) Many have played around with them and the feedback so far is one really needs to know that they doing so the tool is prompted correctly and even then, it requires a lot cleanup. As for his marriage, if secondary sources did not find it important then why would it belong in a global encyclopedia? Best to just remove it entirely along with anything else that is poorly sourced (Smuggles, LBB, etc.). Use only high quality sources which, based on a brief search, exists. S0091 (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Ok, I see that AI could have picked some better sources. I was already going to ditch Smuggler and LBBOnline. I can use The New York Times and The Philadelphia Inquirer for almost all of the content -- I assume they would be considered high quality.

::::::::::What about trade publications and magazines like Variety, Deadline and Fast Company. Would they be considered quality sources? Margaretgroh (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::@Margaretgroh yes! but also keep in mind mostly what Wikipedia is looking for are what reliable independent sources say about him or his work so things like interviews/his comments, etc. are not helpful for notability (the portions where he talks about himself or are otherwise attributed to him or those affiliated with him). S0091 (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @Margaretgroh. A different kind of response from the ones you have already had: {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

= June 19 =

{{Lafc|username=Reizayin|ts=00:10, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Ookami Mio}}

Could I get someone else to see if my article meets notability standards? I'm convinced the person who declined my article twice is just wrong, as in my opinion it obviously meets them. Very similar articles with comparable notability already exist, like Akai Haato, Natsuiro Matsuri, and Houshou Marine. Reizayin (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:OTHERSTUFF, I suspect your examples with "comparable notability" also lack notability, just that nobody has given them a proper check. Also, there is a notable lack of independent sources.

:By the way, I would not say {{tq| I'm convinced the person who declined my article twice is just wrong, as in my opinion it obviously meets them.}} for two reasons. 1. You are not in charge of deciding notability, WP:NYOUTUBER is. 2. Calling the reviewer "just wrong" could count as incivility. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=202.36.87.229|ts=00:26, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Ad_Astra_Racing_(BGS)}}

I have included many sources, and most of them are reliable. I don't see why it keeps getting declined. 202.36.87.229 (talk) 00:26, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your sources are of exceptionally poor quality (and presented as bare URLs). Sources must be reliable and fully independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 03:34, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Thinkpotdigital|ts=05:59, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Firdausul_Hasan}}

This article is related to Mr Firdaudul Hasan who is also the president of indian film federation and is also a renoned producer in the indian film industry. Please help us in publishing this articles. We do not want to pay any 3rd party agency for this. If any payment is necessary we can pay directly to wikipedia if needed, Thinkpotdigital (talk) 05:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia does not accept payments for contributions. In general, individual editors should not either, as that generally runs afoul of conflict of interest guidelines. Drafts are evaluated based on the article's merits and the subject's notability. Anerdw (talk) 06:01, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Thinkpotdigital: I will also add that if someone has offered to get this draft published in exchange for payment, it is a scam; see WP:SCAM. No one can guarantee that a draft is published, or that it will remain so. My advice is not to pay any money for such solicitations. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Sure... thanks for the guidance....in that case can you just help us with the publishing process and point us with the errors in the current link. Thinkpotdigital (talk) 07:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Thinkpotdigital: who is "us"? Wikipedia user accounts are strictly for use by a single individual only. I'm also assuming you represent a business by the same name, which means that your username violates our policy. And because of that, I have furthermore reason to suspect that you are engaged in paid editing, which has not been disclosed (that I can see at least). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Yccnt|ts=07:36, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:ASUS_Zenfone_12_Ultra}}

Hi there,

I'm seeking for some further explanations on the current declined article. Can you please help to clarify if it's not neutral enough, or if it's the style or reference issues? Thanks. Yccnt (talk) 07:36, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Yccnt: this was declined for a promotional tone, and I quite agree, it does read like a brochure.

:And although it wasn't declined for lack of evidence of notability, it could have been, given that it cites only two sources, one of which is the manufacturer's website. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:41, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Yccnt.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

:A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. So writing an article begins with finding several sources that meet all the criteria in WP:42. That way, if you can't find several such sources, you'll know not to spend any more time on the subject. ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=BMcheesus|ts=09:07, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:EXR_(app)}}

Hi there,

I was wondering when my draft on EXR will be reviewed/ when it will be published? I substantially changed the original draft of another user: Draft:EXR (app)

I cannot find a status notification/ update, which is why I wonder whether I submitted my draft correctly.

Thanks in advance! BMcheesus (talk) 09:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, the draft has been rejected, which means it won't be considered any further. Have a good day! NeoGaze (talk) 13:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Bahadurjut786|ts=11:49, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Bahadur Hussain}}

I dont Know my article draft declined.

My Draft article link:

Draft:Bahadur Hussain. Bahadurjut786 (talk) 11:49, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:The subject of your draft does not meet the requirements outlined in WP:NMUSICIAN. As they only released their debut in "July 2025", WP:TOOSOON may apply and WP:CRYSTAL certainly does, as does WP:NOTPROMO. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Milwaukee911|ts=13:31, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Chaim_Thau}}

I am re-writing my very first ever draft Wikipedia article (which was not approved on its first submission since it violated Wikipedia's policy to be not in a neutral view, not a viewed using secondary sources, etc). Agree 100 % it needed to be re-written due to these constraints.

My question is: are citations required ONLY IF portions/sections of the topic are not well known, so that the article is verified as being secondary, not a primary source?

Thank you in advance for any assistance. Milwaukee911 (talk) 13:31, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Ideally every statement and pharagraph should be backed by at least a reference (up to three for important claims). Your draft has multiple pharagraps that do not have any inline citations, which makes veryfing the information difficult. For uncontroversial statements that are easy to check, adding citations is more of a bonus that a strict requirement. You don't need to add citations to mention that WW2 began in 1939, for example. I hope my answer is useful. NeoGaze (talk) 14:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=102.69.240.13|ts=15:58, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Oluwaseun_Medayedupin}}

Ya'll pathetic, this guy is a hero 102.69.240.13 (talk) 15:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Being hostile is not going to help you in any way here. Many people do things worthy of praise, but not solely for that reason are notable enough for a Wikipedia article. You have failed in adressing the issues of the draft and for that reason it ended being rejected. NeoGaze (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Friendofconeyisland|ts=19:08, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Neurealm}}

This is going viral throughout the AI community. How does one inform those not in that world? How do we update this for inclusion?

thanks, :-) Friendofconeyisland (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Friendofconeyisland: as I already said on your talk page (did you read that, by any chance?), we don't publish original research or upcoming ideas or anything of that ilk. Wikipedia is never the first one to publish on a topic, because it only summarises what reliable other sources have already published. Get your thing covered in some academic journals or the like, and then come back. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I’ve submitted Draft:Mukhtar Ahmad Bandh for review. The subject is a democratically elected Vice-Chairperson of the District Development Council (DDC) Pulwama in Jammu and Kashmir. The article includes multiple citations from independent and reliable news sources, and the position is part of India’s 3-tier governance system post-Article 370.

Could someone please consider reviewing it earlier, if possible? Thank you so much!

Jimmy686868 (talk) 19:49, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Jimmy686868 the help desk (and most reviewers) do not take review requests. The draft you created is no more important than the others pending review. Given there is an ongoing backlog drive, it will likely be reviewed within the noted 5 weeks. S0091 (talk) 19:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you @S0091 for your response and for all the efforts by the reviewing team. I completely understand that the queue is long and that every draft deserves equal consideration. That said, I just wanted to respectfully reiterate that this draft covers a democratically elected Vice-Chairperson of DDC Pulwama under India’s 3-tier Panchayati Raj system—a role that emerged post-Article 370 and has been covered by several mainstream news outlets. Given its civic relevance and public position, I kindly request that it be considered when possible during the current backlog drive. Many thanks again for your time and the valuable work you all do. Jimmy686868 (talk) 20:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::And? The are WP:NODEADLINES here and it looks like he was elected back in 2021 so not sure why now in 2025 it is a rush. Either way, it does not matter. It will be reviewed when it is reviewed. S0091 (talk) 20:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you for your response and for clarifying the review process. I fully respect Wikipedia's no deadline policy and understand that all drafts will be reviewed in due time. My intention was not to rush the process but simply to highlight the subject’s unique significance in the context of the evolving local governance landscape post-Article 370. I appreciate your time and the important work the reviewing team continues to do. Looking forward to the eventual feedback when the review happens. Jimmy686868 (talk) 21:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Roungustat|ts=21:10, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:Md_Roungu_Ahmmad}}

Subject: Request for Assistance with Wikipedia Draft and References

Dear Sir,

I hope this message finds you well.

I am currently working on developing a Wikipedia article related to my academic background and contributions in biostatistics and public health. I would greatly appreciate your help in reviewing and improving the draft—particularly in enhancing the language, formatting, and references to ensure it meets Wikipedia’s content and notability standards.

Your expertise and guidance would be incredibly valuable in strengthening the quality and visibility of this contribution. If you have any questions or need additional information from my side (e.g., sources, publications, institutional links), please don’t hesitate to let me know.

Thank you in advance for your time and support.

Warm regards,

Md Roungu Ahmmad, PhD

Assistant Professor, Public Health

University of South Florida

Roungustat (talk) 21:10, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Please don't use AI on Wikipedia, and especially do not use it to offer help to other users. You are not an Articles for Creation reviewer so please don't try to help on this board without understanding how the process works. CoconutOctopus talk 21:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Roungustat. Writing about yourself on Wikipedia is very strongly discouraged, because it is exremely difficult to forget everything you know about yourself and write a neutral summary of what people unknown to you have published about you (which is what a Wikipedia article should be); so nearly everybody who tries it fails, and wastes a lot of their own time and volunteers' time. Please also see WP:autobiography. ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Nescaff|ts=22:14, 19 June 2025|draft=Draft:1938–39_Queens_Park_Rangers_F.C._season}}

There. are 5 cited references on this page 1 by Gordon Macey who was the official Qpr Historian with a second from the Rothmans record boo - (think of rothmans football records like the Guinness book of world records _- the club has a history dated back 1882 Nescaff (talk) 22:14, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @Nescaff, as far as I can see there are only two references and one appears to be a book of statistics. This will not help with notability. You will need a minimum of three references, all of which meet the triple criteria in WP:42, in order to establish notability. Happy editing! Meadowlark (talk) 02:16, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Gamboler|ts=23:03, 19 June 2025|draft=I want to submit a list}}

Does a list have the same approval process as a regular article? I want to move a list from the Camera Work article to its own page User:Gamboler/sandbox. Thank you. Gamboler (talk) 23:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Lists are regular articles, and will have the same process. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 00:53, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Gamboler. Please see WP:splitting ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::@ColinFine Thank you! Gamboler (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

= June 20 =

{{Lafc|username=Maroonandcrimson|ts=03:32, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Felix_Mouzabakani}}

Do you have to usually find all reliable sources? The guy I'm writing about has very miniscule sources, so I'm just asking. Maroonandcrimson (talk) 03:32, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{yo|Maroonandcrimson}} It is pretty likely that sources exist to support an article about Félix Mouzabakani. Keep in mind that sources do not have to be in English, and do not have to exist online, though you must of course have access to any sources you cite. --bonadea contributions talk 08:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=EnviroBooksFan|ts=08:29, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Janina_Rossiter}}

The draft article Draft:Janina Rossiter has been revised to ensure full compliance with Wikipedia’s core content policies:

Neutral Point of View: All sections have been rewritten into a strictly factual, descriptive tone without superlatives or marketing language.

Verifiability: Every statement is supported by citations from independent, reliable, third‑party sources (event websites, reputable news outlets, official reports). Self‑published materials and creator‑produced references are not present.

No Original Research: Content reflects only information found in published sources, with appropriate wikilinks, image formatting, and reference syntax.

Despite these revisions, the draft was still described as “reading like an advertisement” without indication of precisely which passages or sources remain problematic. In addition, Janina Rossiter’s work represents a significant contribution within the niche of women’s environmental art (“eco‑art”), with high‑profile achievements documented at major international forums. It feels this specialized recognition may have been overlooked or dismissed too quickly.

To address any remaining concerns, specific clarification is requested:

Which exact wording or citation is still considered non‑neutral or promotional?

What additional evidence or coverage would most effectively demonstrate the subject’s notability?

Are there any further formatting or sourcing adjustments needed to satisfy verifiability and NPOV requirements?

Any detailed guidance on these points would be greatly appreciated.

— EnviroBooksFan (talk) 08:29, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @EnviroBooksFan. Please don't use LLMs anywhere on Wikipedia. We want to communicate with you, not with a robot.

:Autobiography is very strongly discouraged on Wikipedia, because it is almost never successful. Having found the sources, you would need to forget absolutely everything you know about yourself, and write a summary of what people said about you (even if you disagree with them), and most people cannot do that.

:{{HD/WINI}}

:It is very obvious looking through the list of citations that most of them are either not reliable sources or not independent of you. Check every one of your sourcces againt the triple criteria in WP:42. Anything that is not a reliable source should not be cited, and anything that is not independent or does not contain significant coverage of you will not contribute to establishing that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (most of us don't).

:If you have at least three compliant sources, the article should be a neutral summary of what those sources say, and little else. If you haven't, you are probably not notable by Wikipedia's standards. ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you Colin, I have been reworking the draft giving all the feedback over the last months. some people have been very helpful. so yes I have been communication trying to understand how it works. Your feedback is appreciate. EnviroBooksFan (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Butler.butler123|ts=08:31, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Alina_Matyukhina}}

Dear Help Desk,

I was surprised to see the draft declined, as it was intended as a direct translation of the existing German-language article on the subject: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alina_Matyukhina. I preserved all original references and links to maintain consistency and accuracy.

Given that the German version is currently live and includes the same sources, I am unclear on why the English version does not meet the notability and reference standards. If there are additional requirements for translated articles or if something specific was missing in the formatting or referencing, I would greatly appreciate your guidance so I can make the necessary adjustments.

Thank you in advance for your support.

Best regards,

Butler Butler.butler123 (talk) 08:31, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not 100% confident that message is AI-generated. Anyways, different language versions of Wikipedias are slightly different in policies, and in some cases, what is considered notable in a version would not be considered as such here. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 09:32, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for the clarification. I understand that notability policies can vary across different language versions of Wikipedia. If possible, could you kindly point out specific examples in my article where you believe this might be an issue? That would help me better understand and improve the content accordingly. Butler.butler123 (talk) 10:15, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Most of the awards you describe do not contribute to notability, as they lack articles about themselves(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award).

:::You describe her qualifications and work but do not summarize what independent reliable sources say makes her a notable person for her work. Going to the World Economic Forum is a symptom of her notability, not the cause. Why is she important enough to have been invited there?

:::Do you have any form of connection with this person? 331dot (talk) 10:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=BlackpillEnthusiast77|ts=09:15, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Shooting_of_Jamal_Wali}}

I don't know what I need to fix. BlackpillEnthusiast77 (talk) 09:15, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:My guess is that WP:NOTNEWS was applied. {{tq|Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion and Wikipedia is not written in news style.}} Killing of George Floyd is an example of events having enduring notability, by the way. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 09:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes, that would be my guess also. I note that all the sources are from around the same time, last week of May. Unless this proves to have wider and/or more long-lasting impact (which may be too early to say yet), it's probably not notable enough. And per WP:BLP1E, the actors are otherwise low-profile individuals, further reducing the inherent notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Hmed47|ts=10:06, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Ounass}}

hi, the article is in neutral tone. is there a specific part that you believe is promotional? Hmed47 (talk) 10:06, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, pretty much the entire draft reads like an advertisement for the platform, which goes against the required neutral point of view every article must have. If you have any type of conflict of interest with this platform, you should disclose either in the talk page of the draft or in your userpage. NeoGaze (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Kanishk Dubey|ts=11:48, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Kanishk_Dubey}}

How can be able to publish this draft Kanishk Dubey (talk) 11:48, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Kanishk Dubey: you cannot, it has been rejected. There is nothing to suggest that you are notable. You also shouldn't really be writing about yourself in the first place; see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Pankaj890|ts=12:19, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Pithoragarh_Depot}}

I am seeking help to ensure that the article on Pithoragarh Depot (Uttarakhand Transport Corporation) meets Wikipedia’s standards for neutrality, reliable sourcing, grammar, and formatting. Since the original draft was declined due to grammar issues, potential conflict of interest, and lack of citations, I’ve revised the article for a more encyclopedic tone and now request assistance in reviewing the markup and references before resubmission. Pankaj890 (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Pankaj890: I already answered your question on your talk page. Are you looking for a different answer?

:Besides, now that you've moved the rejected draft into the main article space, this is arguably no longer an AfC matter, and in any case you asking what to do "before resubmission" seems rather redundant. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Gamboler|ts=13:27, 20 June 2025|draft=Requesting specific advice about adding sources to a proposed article}}

My article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gamboler/sandbox submission was declined due to needing more sources.

My current single source is a https://modjourn.org/journal/camera-work/ website that contains digital copies and tables of content for each of the 50 issues.

Instead, I will use an inline citation to reference each issue number to a webpage that contains a digital copy of the issue. Is this a good approach, and what should I do if I don't know the publishing date for the web page? Thank you.

class="wikitable sortable col1center col2center defaultleft" |+
No.	Date	Images By	Articles By
1{{cite web |url=https://modjourn.org/issue/bdr571938/ |title=Camera Work Issue 1 |publisher=Brown University and The University of Tulsa |date=2005-04-30 |website=Modernist Journals Project |access-date=2025-06-20}}	January 1903	Gertrude Käsebier, Alfred Stieglitz, Arthur Radclyffe Dugmore, Dwight William Tryon, Pierre Puvis de Chavannes.	Alfred Stieglitz, Charles Henry Caffin, Dallett Fuguet, J. B. Kerfoot, Sadakichi Hartmann, Edward Steichen, Joseph Keiley.

{{talk reflist}}

Gamboler (talk) 13:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Gamboler: whether you cite a source, which merely confirms the existence of these journal issues, once or multiple times, makes no difference in terms of notability, although it will at least tell the reader where the information is coming from, because at the moment that is unclear.

:That's without at all commenting on whether we should have an article listing journal issues in the first place. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:42, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::@DoubleGrazing: Thank you for clarifying sourcing for mere existence vs. notability.

::This list presently resides in Camera Work, so the issue of notability has been wound up with the notability of sources for Camera Work, which was the first American publisher of images and articles about modern artists such Picasso, Rodin, Matisse, and Cezanne, and was was part of Alfred Stieglitz' overall promotion of modern art in America at the turn of the 20th Century.

::I'm doing an edit of Camera Work in part to improve the sourcing. I want to move the list to a separate article because it's large relative to the size of the rest of Camera Work.

::I also wondered, does the list work on its own? Then, as I began reformatting it and adding links to the names, the list became a dashboard to Wikipedia articles about the major artists and thinkers who Stieglitz brought together. Gamboler (talk) 17:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Sydney Solomon|ts=14:26, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:UnchainedTV}}

I feel like each redraft I have clearly referenced both directly and in directly the streaming service through a variety of sources. Can you please help point me in the right direction? Thank you. Sydney Solomon (talk) 14:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Sydney Solomon: your draft cites a press release, an interview, a passing mention, and an article from The Mail which is a deprecated source and must not be cited. None of these contributes anything towards notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:38, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Dylan Smethurst|ts=14:33, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Curry Football Club}}

Can you give me a reason? Dylan Smethurst (talk) 14:33, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello? Dylan Smethurst (talk) 14:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Was that a reply? Dylan Smethurst (talk) 14:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Dylan Smethurst the reasons are provided in the declines and reject. In a nutshell, no sources means no article. See Your first article. S0091 (talk) 15:59, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=38.97.237.198|ts=15:15, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Rigden_Capital_Strategies}}

What edits need to be made? Thank you 38.97.237.198 (talk) 15:15, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:This draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. It is basically just a corporate presentation and provides no evidence that the subject is notable. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Doc.Heintz|ts=15:21, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Filip_Leu}}

Hello, I have eliminated all defects so far. Would you please move the article to the article namespace and delete the redirects. Thank you for your support.Doc.Heintz (talk) 15:21, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Doc.Heintz: if you feel you have addressed the earlier decline reasons from three months ago, you are welcome to resubmit this for another review by clicking on that blue 'resubmit' button. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:32, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Johnny Prey|ts=15:21, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Work_Immersion_in_the_Philippines}}

I would like some help to have my page title be successfully accepted and be published. Johnny Prey (talk) 15:21, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Johnny Prey: there is no evidence that the subject is notable, as it only cites primary sources. We need to see significant coverage of this subject in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=71.38.45.37|ts=15:36, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Johnny_Angel_Wendell}}

I really dont understand. When I submitted this many years ago it was fine and was approved. Then last year after all these years it was taken down. Doesn't it show that it had been live for many years? Thank you. 71.38.45.37 (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:There was an article at Johnny Angel Wendell, but it was deleted in 2022 following this discussion: Articles for deletion/Johnny Angel Wendell. There is nothing unusual about that, published articles get deleted all the time.

:In 2024, the deleted article was undeleted, and moved into the draft space, which is what you're now looking at at Draft:Johnny Angel Wendell. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Evpuch|ts=16:19, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Yoga_Now}}

Why is this not able to be published? Evpuch (talk) 16:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Evpuch: because there is no evidence that the subject is notable per WP:GNG. We would need to see significant coverage of this subject in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent. After multiple previous declines, this draft cites no such source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::I added more sources, they are large Chicago sources and the studio has a had a large impact on the community! Evpuch (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Evpuch: those are still all primary sources. And having "a large impact on the community" is not a notability criterion, and is in any case highly subjective. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:29, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Evpuch, {{HD/WINI}} ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I do not have a connection besides that I live in the area and I have seen the large impact the studio has had on the area! I believe that the sources are not directly associated with the studio, I want to share the impact! Evpuch (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hello, @Evpuch. I'm afraid that "I want to share the impact!" is another way of saying "I want to promote this subject". Promotion (i.e. telling the world about something) is forbidden in Wikipedia. We are only interested in summarising how other independent sources have already told the world. ColinFine (talk) 11:19, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Arvore da Vida|ts=19:05, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Paul_Pangaro}}

I'm trying to address the rejection points for this draft page. In the past I had only edit pages and these improvements were straightforward. Creating a new page has been a bit of a challenge despite the amount of documentation.

For context, this is a personal side project where I'm looking at prominent cyberneticians based on awards received or recognition by relevant institutions or organisations and who don't have a wiki page. I don't have a personal agenda not I reach them about this. It's pure from the admiration and gratefulness to wikipedia.

I hope this edit covers the requirements to accept the page. Kindly let me know if there are other aspects that I should include.

Thank you ToL (talk) 19:05, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Arvore da Vida: we don't do pre-reviews here at the help desk. If you feel you have sufficiently addressed the earlier decline reasons, you may resubmit this draft and it will be reviewed again at some point. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:24, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Zargha7|ts=21:13, 20 June 2025|draft=Draft:Kandahar_Rebellion_(1709)}}

Dear @Rahmatula786,

I have now added two more academic sources (Barfield 2010 and Cambridge History of Iran, vol. 7, 1991) with correct page numbers, as suggested. May I kindly ask if everything looks okay now for approval?

Thank you again for your time and helpful feedback!

Best regards. Zargha7 (talk) 21:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Zargha7: you have resubmitted the draft and will get an assessment when a reviewer gets around to evaluating it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

= June 21 =

{{Lafc|username=Fitnessscoach|ts=06:48, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Manjeet Rani}}

Hello, I have revised and resubmitted the draft with proper inline citations and working reliable sources. All issues raised earlier (missing sources, formatting) are now resolved. Sources include the SAI PDF, YAS Olympic clearance, Scroll, The Hindu, HT, TOI, and Amar Ujala. Kindly request a re-review. Thank you!

Fitnessscoach (talk) 06:48, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Fitnessscoach: no, you have not resubmitted it. You had manually edited the submission templates, which resulted in the template not rendering correctly, and also removed my earlier decline and comment. Please don't do that. If you wish to resubmit your draft, just click on the blue 'resubmit' button. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Fitnessscoach|ts=07:05, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Manjeet Rani}}

Hello, I have rewritten and resubmitted Draft:Manjeet Rani using fully inline citations and verified sources. Previous reviewer concerns about referencing and reliability have been addressed. Sources include the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports (YAS) Olympic clearance list, SAI confirmation PDF, Scroll, The Hindu, Times of India, Hindustan Times, Amar Ujala, and New Indian Express. Kindly request a fresh review. Thank you!

Fitnessscoach (talk) 07:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Fitnessscoach: you've resubmitted the draft, no need to announce it; it will be reviewed again when a reviewer gets around to it.

:And please don't start duplicate threads on the same subject. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Androulaki|ts=07:22, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Nasr_Mahrous}}

Should I remove the logos of the company and the TV channel from Nasr Mahrous' bio?

I need to know what must be removed generally from the article in order to have it accepted. Androulaki (talk) 07:22, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Androulaki: I don't know what else should be removed, but the logos definitely. Firstly, you've uploaded them as your own work – you're saying you've personally created them and/or own the IP rights in them? Really? Or could it be that they belong to the respective organisations, and you've just taken them from the internet somewhere? If so, you should not have uploaded them as your own work, and must now go to Commons and request them to be deleted. I will go and remove from this draft right now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:31, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes actually some of these photos I have taken myself, as I work closely with Nasr Mahrous. but if you think it is wiser to remove all logos and images, then I do not mind removing them. I will do so right away. Androulaki (talk) 07:49, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Androulaki: I'm talking about the logos, which your question was about. Do you own the copyright in the Free TV and FreeMusic Art Production logos? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Ah, I see, yes, actually Nasr Mahrous owns them, and me, being his wife, I own them just as much. but do you think I should have said that someone else owns them? in all cases they have been removed. Androulaki (talk) 08:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hello, @Androulaki.

:::::If you are his wife, then you have a conflict of interest in editing about him. This does not mean that you are forbidden from creating the draft, but it does put some restrictions on you. Please read that link carefully. ColinFine (talk) 11:24, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Androulaki: if you really do own the IP jointly with your husband (as opposed to eg. it being owned by a company in which you both are shareholders, which is a different thing), then you are not the sole owner, you are a part-owner. The thing is, when you upload something to our servers as your own work, you are releasing it from copyright for anyone to do whatever they want with, and you are also confirming that you have the right to effect such release. If you're a part-owner of the IP, you've just given away also the other part-owner's (or owners') property. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::I already spoke to the general manager to issue for me an official permission to use the logos and other images.. meanwhile, do you think I can try to resubmit the draft? will it be accepted? Androulaki (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. I would just remove all images and deal with that stuff later; images are an enhancement, not a requirement.

:::::::That said, the GM cannot just release permission to you- he would need to give up any rights to the logo so it can be used by anyone for any purpose with attribution; an extremely unwise thing to do with a company logo. 331dot (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@Androulaki: we don't do pre-reviews here at the help desk, but based on a superficial scan, I can tell you already that this draft would be declined at least for insufficient referencing, if nothing else. Articles on living people have particularly strict referencing requirements, with pretty much every statement needing to be clearly supported by an inline citation to a reliable published source. This draft has numerous paragraphs, and even complete sections, without a single citation. I get that you know the subject well, and I have no reason to question anything you've written, but that isn't the point: it's not enough that the information is correct, it must be verifiably correct (meaning, corroborated by a reliable source which is cited next to it). In that sense, you shouldn't even be writing what you know about your husband, you should only be summarising what reliable sources have previously published about him. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Yes I thank you so much for clarifying for me all these information...I also thank you so much for taking the time to guide me on how to do it right... Now I get it better.. I actually am working on it right now, removing all unnecessary details, and all promotional style. I'm keeping only basic information and trying to get info as written in sources. Ok I must admit at first, I thought a Wikipedia article is a kind of an actual biography, now I know it is used as a source of information collected from other actual external sources. question is can I put Arabic references and translated parts of them into English? Androulaki (talk) 16:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Hello, @Androulaki. As regards the images, you, yourself, have said, in precisely these words, "I, the copyright holder of this work, publish it under.." a license which permits anybody in the world to copy, use, and alter the images, as long as they attribute them properly. They do not need to ask for permission to use, copy, or alter them, and they may use them for any purpose, commercial or not. That is the effect of the binding legal statement which you have already made - or it would be if, in fact, you did hold the copyright.

:::::::I have nominated all three images for deletion. ColinFine (talk) 18:20, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Ashleyashville|ts=10:08, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Matthew_Lani}}

My draft article on Matthew Lani was declined for focusing mainly on one event his arrest. I understand the concern, but this case received wide national and international coverage, sparked public debate on digital identity fraud and health misinformation, and has led to an ongoing civil lawsuit that continues to make headlines.

Given this broader context and the legal/social precedent it’s setting, is there a way to frame the article to better meet notability guidelines? Would focusing on the case’s public impact and ongoing relevance help?

Any suggestions or examples of similar accepted biographies would be greatly appreciated. Ashleyashville (talk) 10:08, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:If his arrest is the main claim to notability, you may want to refocus the draft to be about his arrest rather than him personally. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Indiravallam|ts=10:57, 21 June 2025|draft=User:Indiravallam/sandbox}}

Should I know what else you want me to delete, edit or add? Indiravallam (talk) 10:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Indiravallam.

:Please evaluate each of your sources against all three of the criteria in WP:42. Only sources that meet all three criteria can contribute to establishing the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and unless you have several compliant sources, there can be no article. ColinFine (talk) 11:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Bhuwan C Joshi|ts=13:19, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Prof. Durgesh Pant}}

Why was my article declined? Bhuwan C Joshi (talk) 13:19, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Bhuwan C Joshi}} You need the "Draft:" portion of the title when linking to your draft, I fixed this for you.

:The reviewer left you a reason at the top of your draft. Do you have a more specific question about it? I'm also wondering if you have a connection to the professor. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)

::reliable

::secondary

::independent of the subject.

::(So, these are the reasons I received. Though valuable, I did not exactly understand what are the edits that I shall be making. Newspaper articles and government websites are the best sources that I could find for referencing. I was trying to build a short biography for a person whose work I have been reading and listening about in the recent past. State Chief Minister and other government officials have been mentioning his work in their speeches lately and I wanted to be the first to build his Wikipedia page. Also, this happens to be my first article on Wikipedia as well.

::He is slowly emerging as a state hero in terms of popularizing Science and Technology, institution building for last-mile accessibility, as well as bringing dynamism in rather bureaucratic system through his innovative approaches. I am also a person who grew up in Delhi a major urban-centre in India because my family had to migrate in search of better educational and economic opportunities when I was a kid. He has been an inspiration in recent years for me to come back and water my roots in Himalayas by following his footprints. No, i do not have a connection with Prof. Durgesh Pant, other than he also hails from the same district Almora, where I was born and later migrated from.

::I am looking forward to more detailed suggestions as to how I shall be building this biography and what shall be my approach towards data gathering. Thanks and Regards) Bhuwan C Joshi (talk) 13:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Themaroni|ts=13:21, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Digital_Shield}}

Hello! I have rewritten the draft to remove all promotional content and ensure a neutral tone, following Wikipedia's guidelines. The article is now based on two reliable, independent sources (CryptoNews and MarketersMedia). Could someone please review the draft and advise if it now meets the notability and neutrality requirements for acceptance? Thank you! Themaroni (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your draft was rejected, typically meaning that it will not be considered further. If you have now fundamentally changed the draft to address the concerns from reviewers, the first step is to appeal to the rejecting reviewer directly. That said, if you have sources, you have not provided them(see Referencing for beginners. More fundamentally, Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a company, its offerings, and what it sees as its own history- a Wikipedia article about a company summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it is a notable company as Wikipedia defines one.

:I would suggest that you read WP:BOSS, and have your superiors or those that hired you at Digital Shield read it, too. 331dot (talk) 13:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Themaroni: the first three sources are explicit press releases, the fourth is probably also, and is in any case routine business reporting, and the last source returns a 'page not found'. None of these contributes anything towards notability per WP:NCORP. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Uchfundz|ts=13:41, 21 June 2025|draft=User:Uchfundz/sandbox}}

I need Asistance on submitting my article to be accepted Uchfundz (talk) 13:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your sandbox has been deleted as being used as a webhost- Wikipedia does not merely host information; it summarizes what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet our criteria for notability, like a notable person. I would suggest using the Article Wizard instead, if you have independent sources you can summarize.

:Note that Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves, please see the autobiography policy- you need to limit yourself to what others say about you. Writing about yourself, while not forbidden, is highly discouraged because people have great difficulty doing that.

:There are also good reasons to not want an article about yourself. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=2400:AC40:62C:D24:88CC:7F3:F010:8700|ts=14:29, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Saya_Victor}}

Could anyone help me write the wikipage please? 2400:AC40:62C:D24:88CC:7F3:F010:8700 (talk) 14:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you are the editor of the draft, remember to log in when posting. We don't really get into co-editing here at the help desk. If you have specific questions, we can help with that.

:You disclosed a COI on the draft, I'd suggest doing so on your user page as well. What is the general nature of your conflict? 331dot (talk) 15:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=96.21.110.80|ts=16:06, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Franck_Dervieux}}

Hi, the submission was rejected with the following reason. "submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources". However the article quotes 5 different source from 4 established Québec newspapers, some of which are archived (at Bibliothèque et Archives Nationales du Québec), and additional other Internet sources. Granted the articles are in french, however that should not disqualify them as "reliable source". Was teh article rejected because of language barrier from the reviewer?

Thanks 96.21.110.80 (talk) 16:06, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you are the creator of the draft, remember to log in when posting. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:No, it's not because of the language: sources in other languages are acceptable if there are not better sources in English.

:I haven't looked closely, but I suspect that the problem is not that the sources are not reliable sources, but that they are not independent - many of them are published, or based on the words of, Dervieux or his associates.

:Sources used to establish notability shoule be reliable, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject: see WP:42.

:Incidentally, the draft has not been rejected (which would mean that there was no chance of it being accepted): it has been declined, which means that you may improve the sourcing and submit it again. ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=גילעד ולדמן|ts=18:14, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Moshe_Fogel}}

Hello, I would like to publish the page Moshe Fogel. There are no notes on this page, but the author is a relative of Moshe, so all the information has been reviewed and approved by him. How can I do this?

Thanks גילעד ולדמן (talk) 18:14, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @גילעד ולדמן.

:Unfortunately, like many inexperienced editors, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

:{{HD/WINI}}

:Nothing that his relative says is of any value, unless it is verified by a reliable published source. Nothing.

:Your task is first to find several places where people who have no connection whatever with Fogel have chosen to publish material about him in reliable publications. See WP:42 for more information.

:If you can find several such sources, then you may write your draft as a summary of what those sources say, citing them as you go - see WP:REFB. If you cannot find these, then you will not be able to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and your draft will not be accepted. ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=2001:569:746B:1600:388C:24C6:D6A8:365B|ts=19:33, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Milbert}}

My idea was rejected by Qucne 2001:569:746B:1600:388C:24C6:D6A8:365B (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. Did you have a question? qcne (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=DeepFriedUranium|ts=21:12, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Tucson Scorch}}

What am I supposed to do if I can't find sources?

Hello, I created a draft for a sports team called the Tucson Scorch. They never played a single game. So, I wrote an article about them, but it keeps getting rejected because it doesn't have enough sources. But there are so few sources about the team. What do I do? DeepFriedUranium (talk) 21:12, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|DeepFriedUranium}} I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft as intended.

:The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.

:The main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability, like a notable organization. If you have no such sources, the topic would not merit an article at this time. No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Zeeraphim|ts=21:46, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Z_(Musician)}}

Hi, I submitted the wikipedia page, with a variety of reliable sources for the artist Z. She has over 650,000 subscribers on youtube. What else should I add to get it approved? Zeeraphim (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your only sources are bandcamp and YouTube, neither are reliable or independent. Theroadislong (talk) 21:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:It doesn't matter if she has 65 subscribers or 6.5 billion. Subscriber numbers do not indicate notability; see WP:BAND. 331dot (talk) 22:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Blitzite2|ts=22:39, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Amir_Talai}}

What do I need to add to make this public? Blitzite2 (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:It's "public" in that anyone who knows where to find it can find it, but it is not formally part of the encyclopedia. You have not shown that he meets WP:NACTOR. One reviewer even thinks the draft may be a hoax. 331dot (talk) 22:44, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Tracey Capobianco|ts=23:41, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Johnny_Angel_Wendell}}

Can someone please help me on how to add foot notes and links? Please. I am kinda stupid with figuring it out. This was live back in 2012 but not sure why it changed. Thank you kindly Tracey Capobianco (talk) 23:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:REFB for help, the draft currently fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Theroadislong (talk) 06:43, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Tracey Capobianco. You were told what happened to the article and why two days ago (including a link to the deletion discussion). That's why "it changed". ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Wikimcali|ts=23:43, 21 June 2025|draft=Draft:Eugene_Laney_Jr.}}

The draft was rejected citing that it needed footnotes. Are the linked references not the footnotes? Wikimcali (talk) 23:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Wikimcali You have correctly added references, the problem is that the references are mostly not reliable sources and mostly do not discuss Laney, so you have not shown that Laney meets Wikipedia's definition of a notable person. The draft should be based on sources that directly discuss Laney and meet all the criteria in WP:42. The purpose of a reference is to verify that the information in the article is accurate; the references to other Wikipedia articles do not verify anything about Laney but can be replaced with wikilinks.

:A previous reviewer asked you to review WP:Conflict of interest; do you have a connection to Laney? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

= June 22 =

{{Lafc|username=2001:569:7559:7E00:5F4:EE1B:FBB1:A0D8|ts=03:36, 22 June 2025|draft=Jaime Perrault}}

My article is saying it is going to be deleted. I need to understand why and what I need to do to have it published. Please help. Thanx 2001:569:7559:7E00:5F4:EE1B:FBB1:A0D8 (talk) 03:36, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:This page is for asking about drafts in the draft process; existing articles may be discussed at the WP:TEAHOUSE or more general Help Desk. 331dot (talk) 11:13, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Kristian.Alvestad|ts=06:51, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Tatia Chikovani}}

Hi, I see this article got rejected for not having published reliable sources and significant coverage. As an example I would use reference no. 1 to dispute it: It's a news paper that wrote a two-page article (both printed and online versions) featuring the subject in question. Can someone explain why this is not considered reliable or significant coverage? Kristian.Alvestad (talk) 06:51, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Kristian.Alvestad: your draft was declined, not rejected; the difference being, with declination you are allowed to resubmit after addressing the issues, with rejection you're not.

:Source #1 may well be reliable and amount to significant coverage, but one source is not enough. And I note that while you have many other citations, quite a few of them are from this same publication, Vikebladet Vestposten, and thus only count as one source. Besides, VV seems to be a hyper-local publication, meaning its 'news threshold' is typically low, and it may not apply the same editorial controls etc. as bigger publications. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:11, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Mark180378|ts=09:08, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Mark Goodway MBE}}

Hello, I’m the subject of the draft article Draft:Mark Goodway MBE, and I fully acknowledge my conflict of interest. I attempted to submit a well-sourced biography supported by numerous reliable, independent publications — national media (BBC, ITV, The Guardian), academic institutions (University of Bristol), and reputable award bodies. I now understand that using AI-assisted tools caused technical formatting issues and promotional tone, and I will not use AI further. I’m seeking support from an experienced, neutral editor who could help assess and rewrite or resubmit the article in a way that meets all Wikipedia standards.

I’m happy to step back from the process entirely, and just want to see a fair, accurate and neutral article created by others if it’s considered appropriate. I would be grateful for any assistance or advice from volunteers. Thank you for your time. Mark180378 (talk) 09:08, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please read WP:REFB, I doubt you will find anyone to do the work for you, (beware of WP:SCAM though). Theroadislong (talk) 09:14, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Mark180378: can I just check that you're aware that autobiographies are very strongly discouraged on Wikipedia? This was notified on your talk page a couple of years ago, but your continued attempts at creating one suggest you may have overlooked that. Please see WP:AUTOBIO, and you may also want to read why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing while you're at it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:23, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Maturidiyya|ts=09:51, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Capture of Parī}}

I have found reference possible for this event and it still dosent get accepted. what am i doing wrong Maturidiyya (talk) 09:51, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Mohammad Raamin|ts=10:56, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Mohammad_Raamin}}

why is it getting declined Mohammad Raamin (talk) 10:56, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Mohammad Raamin You do not meet our criteria for inclusion. qcne (talk) 10:58, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=185.38.219.193|ts=16:12, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Cat_From_Hell_(Video_Game)}}

Sadly, my article was rejected, even though some sources have more than 10 millions monthly visitor, and the Brazilian site has 70 millions, which seem to be reliable sources. Please, give me advice how to improve my article or sources to get approved? 185.38.219.193 (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:Remember to log in when posting, so your edits are properly attributed to you and not an IP.

:No amount of editing can confer notability on a topic. Sources having lots of visitors has nothing to do with the reliability of a source. Please see WP:42 for guidance as to what types of sources we are looking for. Reviews only contribute to notability if they are written by professional reviewers or critics. 331dot (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=62.19.252.124|ts=16:55, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:MergersCorp}}

Dear Team,

I need your help, I have provided almost 30+ qualified notable list of references. I cannot imagine now even 3x reference meets your criteria (WP:THREE). I kindly as you to tell me which reference are NOT notable.

• "Das Spiel um Miliarden: Superreiche, Öl-Multis und Investoren kaufen sich Fußballklubs - am liebsten gleich mehrere. Das nennt sich "Multi Club Ownership". Viele Fans befürchten den Tod des Fußballs". ZDF Video. February 1, 2025.
• "MERGERSCORP与CHINAMERGER达成战略合作,开启跨境并购新纪元". Ifeng (in Chinese). June 6, 2025.
• "KOTRA New York Partners with MergersCorp to Elevate Korean Business Opportunities in M&A and Corporate Finance". AP News. November 25, 2024.

• "Бизнес за рубежом: нужно учесть несколько факторов, чтобы не ошибиться". Pravda.ru (in Russian). April 21, 2022.
• "Fotovoltaico, MergersCorp e Unoenergy IS siglano partnership". TeleBorsa (in Italian). February 12, 2025.
• "MergersCorp M&A International «совершил посадку» в Казахстане". Kapital.kz (in Russian). April 6, 2021.
• "MergersCorp M&A International Overview". Pitchbook. February 15, 2024.
• "Allstar Health Brands, Inc. (ALST) Engages in Strategic Acquisition Negotiations with MergersCorp Investment Banking for Italian Soccer Team". Nasdaq (Press Release). December 3, 2024.
• "Foggia Calcio, fondo Usa e trattativa con Canonico: il retroscena". La Repubblica (Bari) (in Italian). May 3, 2024.
• "Il Foggia verso la cessione a un fondo americano, "in corso trattative avanzate". RAI (in Italian). May 3, 2024.
• "Calcio, nubi sul futuro del Foggia: Canonico molla il club". La Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno (in Italian). May 21, 2024.
• "Nuovo Sponsor USA in Lega Pro" (PDF). Il Sole 24 Ore (in Italian). May 29, 2022.
• "Suomalainen yhtiö hankki osuuden italialaisesta jalkapalloseurasta". Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish). January 10, 2025.
• "MergersCorp: Προς πώlisi to ΑΠΟΕΛ, to plá¹o exeyrésis ependytí". Kathimerini.com.cy (in Greek). November 4, 2024.
• "MergersCorp advisor nell'acquisizione di due progetti fotovoltaici in Italia da parte di Zenith Energy". Finance Community. April 12, 2024.
• "KOTRA, 韓중기 해외 M&A 돕는다…美 머저스코프와 맞손". The Guru Korea (in Korean). January 27, 2023.

• "Foggia-MergersCorp, i dettagli sulla trattativa: ci sono anche degli ex Fidelis". Contro Piede (in Italian). May 3, 2024.
• "Vendita Foggia, l'intermediario è MergersCorp: il precedente con l'Olbia". Lago Leada (in Italian). May 3, 2024.
• "Foggia, operazione cessione vicina ? La MergersCorp al lavoro per definire l'operazione". Calcio Foggia (in Italian). May 4, 2024.
• "Canonico pronto a cedere il Foggia, l'imprenditore conferma: "Trattative avanzate con un fondo americano". Foggia Today (in Italian). May 4, 2024.
• "Nuovo Sponsor USA in Lega Pro". Il Resto del Carlino (in Italian). June 16, 2024.
• "Un partner americano per la Fidelis Andria (Lega Pro)". MSN (Sport Economy) (in Italian). May 29, 2022.
• "Calcio, Andria verso la cessione: pronto un gruppo di imprenditori italiani". La Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno (in Italian). May 29, 2022.
• "King's Lynn Town FC announces leadership transition and takeover agreement". kltown. May 22, 2025.
• "Turn Sports Investments Singapore has invested in King's Lynn Town Football Club United K". MC. May 22, 2025.
• "La svolta. Un Crema finlandese. Quota di minoranza al gruppo TL Capital". Il Giorno (in Italian). January 12, 2025.
• "Schwyzer Firma kauft italienischen Fussballklub". Bote der Urschweiz (in German). February 21, 2025.
• "Acquisition of Solar Energy Assets" (PDF). Euronext. May 30, 2024.
• "ZEN: Acquisition of Solar Energy Assets". London Stock Exchange. May 30, 2024.
• "Cosi Parigi compra l´Italia". February 21, 2025. 62.19.252.124 (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::You are doing what is called refbombing us. It's not the volume of references, but their quality, that we are looking for. Please pick out your three absolute best references.

::You have just documented the activities of the company, and not what independent reliable sources say is notable about the company. Its routine business activities do not contribute to notability. 331dot (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, IP user. Please review each of your references against the criteria in WP:42. Any that are not reliable, remove (together with any information supported only by those references).

::Any that are not independent, or do not contain significant coverage of Mergers Corp may be useful later, when you have written the basic article, but are not among your three best.

::Remember that {{HD/WINI}}

::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Satyajeet86|ts=17:42, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Devrishi}}

The references and edits I have added today were probably based on unbiased news. Please guide me if this draft can be corrected? Or any expert editor can help in correcting this draft. I can understand that many changes have been made repeatedly in editing but if I have made any mistake knowingly or unknowingly then I apologize, please guide me, thank you Satyajeet86 (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Satyajeet86}} Please now disclose your connection with this person, as I requested when I renamed and unblocked you.

:The draft has been rejected, which typically means that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 17:55, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::I had created a page on Satendra Singh Lohia and this person had written a book on Padmashri award winner Satendra Singh Lohia because of which I thought I should create his Wikipedia. I am a freelance editor, my only connection is that my state is the same, but I have not taken any money from anyone, I want to work as an editor and writer, please guide me for future articles. Satyajeet86 (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Your username was initially Lookhereindia, which seems to be the name of various social media channels that feature various Indians. Such channels are usually monetized. 331dot (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I had created an account with Lookhereindia name around 7-8 years ago, and since then, the same name was being used. I came to know about this after you blocked me. Satyajeet86 (talk) 18:24, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::And that channel featured Rishikesh Pandey/Devrishi and on top of that an editor who [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Devotibharat&diff=prev&oldid=1295105485 stated] he is the brother of Devrishi [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Devrishi&diff=prev&oldid=1294955359 contributed] to the draft and another editor who declared a COI with Devrishi contributed to WP:Articles for deletion/Sanatan Wisdom Foundation, an article you created which also affiliated with Devrishi. S0091 (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::On your very first edit in 2017 your edit summary says you are a blogger; blogs can also be monetized.

:::::Do you have any connection with the User:Devotibharat account? 331dot (talk) 18:47, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::I started with a blog, at that time I lacked experience, which is probably still there. I am now associated with a news agency as an editor, due to which I know almost everyone in my state and some people know me too. I have always tried to do selfless editing. And I have been trying to work with the aim of helping. I am hurt by the serious superficiality that has come to light now and I also apologize. At such a time, whatever decision you take will be acceptable to me. Satyajeet86 (talk) 19:07, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::If you are not editing as part of your job duties or as part of a monetized social media account, okay. If you are editing about people that you meet in the course of your work, that is a conflict of interest you should declare.

:::::::You have not answered the questions regarding other accounts. 331dot (talk) 19:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Even if it is not within the course of your work, editing about people you personally know is a COI. You were informed of this when your were blocked ("You should also read our conflict of interest guideline...") and either you did not read the information in your block notice or you didn't understand it. Either way, you should do so now and make sure you declare your COIs. Also, please answer the questions as 331dot has now requested twice. S0091 (talk) 19:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::I have now declared the COI related to Devrishi and Sanatana Wisdom Foundation on my user page. Satyajeet86 (talk) 19:54, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Thanks, Satyajeet86. You will need to continue to do so for any topic with which you have a COI and follow the guidelines but Wikipedia's strong recommendation is to not edit such topics. S0091 (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I will keep this in mind and follow it respectfully. Thank you. Satyajeet86 (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::A few months ago, through a government program, Devrishi's brother tried to know from me how to edit Wikipedia articles. Satyajeet86 (talk) 19:42, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Rafaelthegreat|ts=17:59, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Rafael}}

This is very confusing. Articles like Rafal and Rapolas are versions of Raphael (given name). I made another version, but it got declined. Why???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Rafael Hello! 17:59, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Rafaelthegreat}} The whole url is not needed when linking to another article or page on Wikipedia. I fixed this for you.

:My advice would be to do as suggested and place your content at Raphael (given name) and then start a discussion as to if it should be spun off into a separate article, instead of using this process. Your draft is relatively short, most of the existing articles you cite are much longer and exist to keep articles at a manageable length. 331dot (talk) 18:05, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=2600:1700:4E00:21D0:D105:7779:D8E1:D856|ts=22:21, 22 June 2025|draft=Draft:Wave_from_the_WOOniverse}}

Hi! Do you think if I added the album artwork it would be more likely to be accepted? New on here & learning how to do it. Thanks! 2600:1700:4E00:21D0:D105:7779:D8E1:D856 (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, no it would not. Firstly album artwork is copyrighted so can only be used under fair use and not in draft (see Wikipedia:Non-free content). More importantly, all new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS). So artwork is no help for notability and getting accepted, only good sources with significant coverage can do that. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 22:29, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::Images more generally are not relevant to the draft process at all, which only considers the text and sources. Images can wait until the draft is accepted. 331dot (talk) 22:36, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

= June 23 =

{{Lafc|username=DcdmeQDm|ts=00:03, 23 June 2025|draft=Draft:2026_World_Surf_League}}

Hi, I really can't tell why this submission was declined. 4 different independent news sources are linked. This is also the single most important event for a major sport. Additionally, the 2025 tour has a wikipedia, as do all previous years, so I don't see why 2026 shouldn't?

How many independent sources would be required to be sufficient? I had assumed 4 news sources would be enough but happy to add more. DcdmeQDm (talk) 00:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:"Wikipedia" is the name of this entire website, not its individual parts which are called articles.

:The draft does little more than describe the event, there is no indication that it is a notable event as Wikipedia defines one. It may very well be once it occurs and independent sources give it significant coverage. For it to merit an article before it occurs, you would need sources that discuss the coverage and importance of it now(like 2028 Summer Olympics or even 2032 Summer Olympics). You don't have that currently. 331dot (talk) 00:10, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::There are a number of major news sources discussing the upcoming 2026 tour including major changes to the competition system linked. If the 5 articles from 4 news sources are insufficient, would you have an idea of how many news sources are typically required to demonstrate that a topic is sufficiently notable for a wikipedia article? I've already added two more but I'm not sure if that's enough. DcdmeQDm (talk) 00:51, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Changes to the event would best go in an article about the event in general, at least before the specific event merits an article.

:::There is not a specific number of sources needed to pass this process, but most reviewers look for at least three. But the sources need to show the notability of the topic. Describing the format of the event doesn't do that. 331dot (talk) 01:07, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Sonali Nawale|ts=05:19, 23 June 2025|draft=Draft:Jeanne_Bender}}

hello, as i am trying to add references in draft but not understand how and where need to add ,also i want exact that what required in draft

Sonali Nawale (talk) 05:19, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Sonali Nawale: I don't understand the latter part of your question, could you please rephrase?

:Regarding referencing, you've already added two citations which are correctly constructed, they're just in the wrong place, at the start of the text. You need to place the citations inline, following the statement which they support, so that it is clear to the reader where each piece of information comes from.

:As for what needs to be thus supported, the answer is pretty much everything. So when you say that this person was born on August 13, 1955, where did you get that DOB from? And so on. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=2603:6013:9E41:8865:758B:1D03:CF1B:4A2B|ts=05:30, 23 June 2025|draft=Faygo Baby}}

A wikipedia on Faygo Baby 2603:6013:9E41:8865:758B:1D03:CF1B:4A2B (talk) 05:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a question, but in case you're wanting to know about the progress of Draft:Faygo Baby, that draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:46, 23 June 2025 (UTC)