Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee#RfC on WP:ACE2011 in the works

{{{unindent}}}I have been wanting to know due to me wondering if i can vote somewhere not on Wikipedia{{{unindent}}} Muheen Kuf (talk) 12:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:There is a private Arbitration Committee wiki, but access to that is strictly limited to currently serving arbitrators (and possibly a small number of WMF employees).

:The only vote relevant to the Arbitration Committee that non-Committee members can participate in is the annual election, which happens on Wikipedia in December. Editors must have made 150 edits to articles before 1 November to be eligible to vote in those elections. Thryduulf (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

It has emerged in answering Teahouse/ Help Desk questions that WP:ECR requires some clarification. This extract:

{{Blockquote|{{ordered list|list_style=list-style-type: upper-alpha

|The restriction applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed, with the following exceptions: {{ordered list

|Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive. Should disruption occur on "Talk:" pages, administrators may take enforcement actions described in "B" or "C" below.

|Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required.

}} }} }}

makes no mention of the Draft: namespace and WP:AFC.

They should either be explicitly disallowed, or (I believe preferably), a clause should be inserted saying that Non-extended-confirmed editors may create articles in Draft: (or User:) space and submit them via the AfC process, and that declined articles may be resubmitted once improved, in the usual manner. Discussions of such drafts should be subject to the same restrictions as those in the quoted guideline. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Is the draft space the Talk namespace or an edit request? If not {{tq|the restriction applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed}}. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::It is analogous to both.

::Drafting a section on a talk page and making an edit request for it to be published to the article is no different in effect than drafting an article and making a request to AfC that it be published as an article.

::The former exists to allow competent, good-faith NECEs to make beneficial contributions, overseen by an ECE; as would the latter. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:52, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Using a talk page to request an improvement is vastly different than writing a draft article. That also opens the door to gaining EC entirely though edits about an ECR topic. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:The part just before what you quoted is {{tqb|When such a restriction is in effect in a topic area, only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area, subject to the following provisions: {{pb}}The restriction applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed, with the following exceptions:}}

:Non-EC editors are explicitly disallowed from all edits related to the topic area, with the exceptions listed. Edits in draft or user space are not among the exceptions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:41, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::One of the exceptions mentioned in the part you quote is in what I quote: {{Tq|1="Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations..."}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)