Wikipedia talk:Harassment#Break 2

If I have an account and an admin posts my ip address without good reason, does it count? 210.3.50.94 (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:If they connect it to your account in some way, generally yes but what counts as a "good reason" is not black-and-white. Thryduulf (talk) 13:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:If wanted, you could email User:Arbitration Committee with a link showing the issue and ask their opinion. Johnuniq (talk) 09:35, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

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Remove "Unless unintentional and non-malicious (for example, where Wikipedians know each other off-site and may inadvertently post personal information, such as using the other person's real name in discussions)" because this makes editors not feel safe and want to leave after giving their Wikipedia account name to someone, even if they trust, know their real name. Also, this can make Wikipedia liable. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Not to mention this essay 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:This would seem to be a dynamic somewhat particular to yourself, if I can be frank. As a counterexample, I would feel awful if a friend of mine got into hot water because of such an accident, and that would in turn make me less comfortable onwiki and offwiki with other editors. This is an expression of community discretion, and it would continue to be exercised regardless of whether it's explicated here in this instance. Remsense 🌈 论 21:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Remsense are these eligible for oversight. The unintentional real name. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:12, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If you don't want your personal information posted onwiki, you can have it oversighted certainly. Remsense 🌈 论 21:13, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi there,

:Many thanks for your interest in improving the policies here on Wikipedia.

:I'm not sure I quite follow what you mean about Wikipedia being "liable" ?

:The purpose of the sentence you've quoted is that someone accidentally referring to a real-world friend by their actual name rather than their username is not typically going to be viewed as grounds for punishment. It's important that we don't seek to overly police genuine mistakes. Remember that just because nobody is getting banned over the incident doesn't mean there aren't other options available - for example, if a real-world friend accidentally refers to an editor as their first name and the latter wants that to be removed, it can be either edited out - or you could request that Wikipedia further WP:SUPPRESS the accidental disclosure.

:I fear you're essentially advocating for us telling people not to do things by accident. We'd prefer if they don't - but your fellow editors are only human; mistakes are going to happen. ···sardonism · t · c 21:13, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Sardonism @Remsense the wikimedia terms of use said (you will not) Soliciting personally identifiable information from anyone under the age of 18 years, or under the age of majority where you are if higher than 18 years, for an illegal purpose or violating any applicable law regarding the health or well-being of minors. So maybe under 18s unintentionally disclosure are a bit different. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::My first name is John. A hypothetical friend of mine who is not a member of the Wikimedia Foundation accidentally referring to me as that, rather than sardonism, in a talk page discussion can hardly be construed as the Wikimedia Foundation undertaking any action at all - regardless of the ages of those involved.

:::I appreciate your concern, but I'm not at all convinced your proposed change would be an improvement to the page. ···sardonism · t · c 21:18, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::There's no real conflict here though, especially given Wikipedia:Child protection and the WMF Privacy policy make explicit such considerations take precedence without exception. Remsense 🌈 论 21:18, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Remsense @Sardonism it is much safer to give your Wikipedia account username to a stranger that does not know your real name than to a friend that does even if you trust them. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:20, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::We're aware. I'm gently trying to make you aware this isn't really an issue for site policy to solve, but an issue for you to manage in your own interpersonal relations with others. Remsense 🌈 论 21:22, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Remsense @Sardonism, there is good faith copyright violations and real name in discussions is a good faith privacy violation. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::Solution, edit Wikipedia anonymously using a temporary account. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::If I may, this could be me assuming too much, but it seems you have encountered some stressful situation in your life, and at this moment sound plausibly like you're having a full-blown physical panic attack over it, or are close to one. If you need the assistance of oversight, what I suggest you do is make the needed private requests to oversight, and then take a concerted break from Wikipedia for a few hours at least, so you can ease up on your nerves some. There's not much else here you can do other than make yourself even more stressed out over whatever problem you're having. Just my dispassionate concern. Remsense 🌈 论 21:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Sardonism @Remsense I was just curious about the policy. Nothing stressful about my life. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::::The anonymous account solution is the best. You can also edit from a public wifi. 185.137.137.154 (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I'm glad that's the case then, sorry for reading too much into things here. Your posting seems characteristic that of a very anxious individual. Remsense 🌈 论 21:35, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::(edit conflict × 6) Why should the community writ large insist upon a punishment being issued if the editor affected doesn't want their friend to be subject to such?

::I don't believe I have a single real-world friend who's aware of my username - and certainly not my IP address. It strikes me as being a somewhat convoluted concern to worry about 1) someone knowing my username, 2) them accidentally disclosing such in a discussion here on the wiki, 3) me being opposed to them being subject to a punishment, and, 4) there being some kind of objective imperative for a punishment to be applied even over my objection.

::Consider the first paragraph of Wikipedia:Policy_writing_is_hard#Attitudes_that_help; the goal isn't to foresee every hypothetical situation ahead of time and prescribe a precise way of handling it. The community members involved will refer to the policy for how things are generally done, consider the facts & any extenuating circumstances, and take it from there.

::Just because something isn't explicitly spelled out on a policy page somewhere doesn't mean it isn't an option. ···sardonism · t · c 21:45, 7 June 2025 (UTC)