Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music#Dropping dimdeg and degree symbol guidance

The current rule mandates e.g. "it was the Beatles' first album" rather than "it was The Beatles' first album". This goes against the common writing style I've read in newspapers, books, etc. for many years. (I pay attention to these things, have studied some linguistics, and read Fowler's grammar etc.) How was this wiki rule chosen? 2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:A5E9:B57F:509D:732E (talk) 13:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

:It was decided following an epic debate in 2012. It was even [https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444657804578048534112811590 covered by the Wall Street Journal]. If anyone is interested in my own nerdy thoughts on the subject, here they are. Popcornfud (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

::Agree, see lowercase more often than not in books, although new Steven Hyden Springsteen book uses "The" style. Caro7200 (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

:::Indeed, the IP above is wrong that the upper-case style is more common. In my library of Beatles books, I'd say the mid-sentence lower-case style is more common by a ten-to-one ratio, at least. Tkbrett (✉) 14:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I dropped this notice at the main WikiProject Music talk as well, but thought some eyes here might be different and appreciate the notice. At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Upgrade_MOS:ALBUM_to_an_official_guideline, I have proposed making MOS:ALBUM an official style guideline, as currently it is only an essay. Feedback is welcome!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

I've started an RfC about what guidance, if any, there should be for bonus and alternative tracks in album articles: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#RfC_on_bonus_and_alternate_track_listings. Thanks.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 11:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure why Template:Music has both {{music|dim}} and {{music|dimdeg}}. For typographic consistency, it seems like there should only be one. {{music|dim}} seems to be what is overwhelmingly used in practice. It is also more typographically consistent with {{music|halfdim}} uses a superscript lowercase slashed letter "ø"? Would anyone object if I convert all "dimdeg" instances into "dim" and dropped support and documentation for "dimdeg"?

I also see that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Chords, progressions, and figured bass recommends using either the degree symbol or a superscript letter "o". Would anyone object to dropping the degree symbol from this guidance for similar reasons? -- Beland (talk) 01:46, 18 May 2025 (UTC)