Wikipedia talk:Record charts#Billboard Brasil .2F Official Brasil Charts

Under the South African charts, it states that "Only if the song/artist has not charted on the [https://theofficialsacharts.co.za/charts/ TOSAC Local & International Streaming Chart], may the [https://www.billboard.com/charts/south-africa-songs-hotw/ Billboard South Africa Songs] or [https://theofficialsacharts.co.za/charts/radio/ Local & International Radio] charts be used." Any reason why the airplay charts cannot be used together with the streaming charts? We have this category, :Category:South African Airplay Chart number-one singles, which includes the one songs on the radio charts only. It makes it difficult to work in this kind of condition and {{background colour|yellow|I still don't see a reason why they can't be used together}} when Costa Rica's Monitor Latino and FONOTICA; and way more (including Billboards thousand charts) are acceptable. dxneo' (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

:First of all, WP:OTHERSTUFF isn't a valid argument. Monitor Latino shouldn't be used alongside Billboard or Fonotica. The general principle is that you use the PROVIDER which is nationally recognised in said country. Where there isn't a national provider, or the song hasn't charted on the national chart but has on a Billboard one, its okay to use that. Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE we should have endless lists or multiple different variants of the same information. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 22:11, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Can the [https://www.indigenousmusiccountdown.com/ Indigenous Music Countdown] please be added to the list for Canada? This is one of the national charts in Canada and is included as an acceptable chart under the 'Commercial' category on page 9 of the [https://factorportalprod.blob.core.windows.net/portal/Documents/Updates/FACTOR_Artist_Profile_Additional_Information_Guide.pdf FACTOR Artist Profile Additional Information Guide]. FACTOR is highly reputable, and one of the only major music funding organizations in Canada.

I saw this item was deleted but didn't see any comment about why so I'm reposting in case it was missed. Stacysaurusrex (talk) 00:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I would like to suggest adding Top lista, the official Croatian charts, to the #GoodCharts section.

Top lista is the official chart system in Croatia, operated by the {{Ill|Croatian Phonographic Association|hr|Hrvatska diskografska udruga}}, an official IFPI member. It provides the country's official charts alongside the Billboard Croatia Songs chart. It consists of four main charts: Airplay and Albums, each divided into Domestic and International segments. The classification depends on whether the music was released through a local label (Domestic) or distributed by a local label (International).

There have been some misconceptions regarding the Airplay Radio Chart (International Airplay). It was first published by HRT (Croatian Radiotelevision) but was repeatedly deleted from Wikipedia and deemed non-notable. However, in August 2017, Top lista officially certified the chart. Since then, HRT has published the full chart weekly, while Top lista posted an abbreviated version (Top 40). As of this year, the full chart is only available on Top lista's website, with HRT broadcasting a countdown that includes new entries, highest gainers, and Top 40 placements.

The HR Top 100 (Domestic Airplay) follows the same methodology but has always been a Top lista chart, making it less confusing in terms of history.

The current album charts are also divided into Domestic and International categories. Wikipedia still lists them under the old name, Top of the Shops, which was the previous name before 2017 when it was rebranded as the "Best Selling List" (Domestic/International). It would be great to reach a consensus on updating the album chart name, as Top of the Shops hasn’t been used in almost a decade.

The methodology for the charts is as follows:

• Airplay Charts – Based on spins/plays
• Album Charts – Based purely on sales (physical + digital copies)

Currently, there is no official streaming chart in Croatia, which is why I believe it's valuable to include the Billboard Croatia Songs chart, as it is the only chart that measures streaming data in the country.

I would appreciate any feedback and thoughts on this. Thank you! Greeneyed soul (talk) 07:44, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi,

I recently saw that since May 2023 Mako publishes charts, that according to them are the first official Israeli chart. Their statement ([https://www.mako.co.il/music-news/local/Article-5042af7d07ff681027.htm taken from here]) says:

"There has never been a body in Israel that would truly measure the "power of songs" in the country and include all existing platforms: from radio, through YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music and social networks like TikTok. In the 70s and 80s, songs were rated by listeners in letters and postcards, in the 90s they upgraded to teletext, and in the 2000s, people vote online. This is while all over the world, the charts have always been based on single sales and in recent years on streaming.

In other words, there has never been a real chart in Israel that was free from any manipulation by voters or editors. Until today! Mako is proud to be the first media outlet to present Israel's real parade by developing a unique algorithm that weighs the tastes of hundreds of thousands of Israelis who listen to songs every day on a variety of platforms.

The data is collected, among other things, using Soundcharts."

So, if I understood correctly, it sounds like a definitely combined Israeli chart, then not only airplay but both radio+streaming... Am I correct? I would consider adding the new weeks to the singles articles in the future, but I wanted to ask here first before I begin.

Greetings! Szyign (talk) 00:08, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

:@Cherry Cotton Candy looking above I guess I could ping you here :) Szyign (talk) 00:10, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

::{{re|Szyign}} It includes TikTok data, which is an aspect of several charts listed at WP:BADCHARTS. Also, just because something calls itself official does not mean that it necessarily is. How can a chart be set up and the organisation immediately say "we are the official chart of this country"? You set about adding these charts on a multitude of articles before waiting for any opinions. Fine if you thought since nobody raised objections it was okay to go ahead. But now that there are dissenting opinions, myself and {{ping|Lil-unique1}}, who maybe erroneously pointed out that the list incorporates fan voting (whereas it would appear Mako, per the Mako Hit List and translated text on its website, is saying it doesn't, whereas Galgalatz etc. do), you should wait for consensus before restoring it. Skyversay (talk) 15:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I waited for about a month and didn't get any objections, so I figured no one had a problem with it. Sorry, but your argument about "maybe they're telling the truth and maybe not" seems to be drawing conclusions in your own favour. If they have explained the methodology themselves, how else am I supposed to verify it to meet your expectations? If you look at it logically now, then by this route you can delete half of the charts currently in use, because the companies themselves have stated that this is how their methodology works, but after all we have no confirmation.... actually, I don't know where else it would come from if not from the provider? I don't understand your reasoning. Szyign (talk) 15:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

::::{{re|Szyign}} I'm not aware of any other main charts of nations around the world that integrate TikTok trends or somehow integrate TikTok data into their calculations. I also did not say or imply anything along the lines of "maybe they're telling the truth and maybe not". I said that this chart was set up in 2023 and immediately begun saying it's the official chart of Israel. How does that work? Immediately the number one official chart based on what, because they said so? Because they say it's the first Israeli chart to integrate data from multiple metrics? Skyversay (talk) 15:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::In my understanding of their publication - Because they say it's the first Israeli chart to integrate data from multiple metrics. As they themselves point out, previously there was no chart that included streaming + airplay data without fan votes etc. in Israel, so they claim they're the first to do so, and it seems true since there's no other chart which combines that. Szyign (talk) 15:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Okay, but that doesn't make it official, which was something you said in your original post. Again, integration of TikTok data is dodgy and I'm not sure of any other charts, actually official or claimed "official", that do this. Skyversay (talk) 15:47, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::To be honest, I don't know how to respond to this allegation, as the article simply uses the word ‘TikTok’ without further explanation as to how it would work, so it's hard for me to say what the author had in mind. Nevertheless, all the other issues mentioned, in my opinion, were not true and lend credibility to this chart in terms of transparency and independence. Szyign (talk) 17:29, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::WP:RECORDCHARTS explains what constitutes a suitable chart. Tiktok and voting is not a suitable chart methodology. Other charts have been excluded in other countries for those reasons. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 19:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Could you tell me where can I vote in this chart? Cause I can't really find any confirmation there's a voting for this chart in the internet. Szyign (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

I have come across multiple Shakira articles on Wikipedia that have unverifiable and/or certification entries that are in violation of WP:V and WP:CHART. Most of them source press articles that have no affiliation with the country's respective certifying agency, i.e. in countries where one is already established. Some of them appear to be in violation of WP:NOTRS. According to this page, in countries where official certifying authorities exist, only certifications directly issued or published by those bodies (or their official channels) are considered reliable per WP:CHART. Most of the claims in question were not corroborated by any verifiable record (WP:V) from the relevant certifying agencies. I have reverted the ones on Laundry Service, to maintain the integrity of the article, however they keep getting added back.

It’s come to my attention that a user has recently been adding Chilean certification claims to several Shakira articles, sourcing them from a video (?) displaying physical label-presented plaques. As has been discussed and agreed upon in previous instances, videos showing award plaques, without direct confirmation from the certifying body (in this case, IFPI Chile), do not meet the threshold for verifiability, since plaques can be promotional in nature and are not always issued by the certifying agency.

Unless an official record can be cited, it would be appropriate to revert or remove these entries to uphold content reliability. Unfortunately, most of Shakira's articles and certifications suffer from this issue. Given the repeated nature of this issue, I believe it would be helpful to come to a clear and shared approach on how to handle these additions moving forward. I am requesting the input of regulars here so we can come to a consensus. 89.19.79.59 (talk) 19:10, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:Shakira received a certification plaque from IFPI Chile, and the video shows the certifications given for her albums, which state their sales in Chile. Newspaper sources have existed for sales in those countries, as far back as I know. Regarding "Laundry Service," I agree that there are about three countries whose references may be questionable. Countries like Singapore, India, and others have their sources in newspaper articles from their respective years. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 20:22, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::Newspapers, press articles, and physical award plaques are generally not regarded as reliable sources for certification claims when they lack direct verification from the relevant certifying body. This issue has arisen in the past, in discussions about Universal Music Brazil and Pro-Música Brasil and the reliability of such sources. Unless the certifications can be confirmed through an official publicly accessible database or a reliable source directly affiliated with the certifying agency, I don't think they should be included in her articles. 89.19.79.59 (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::But if we review other artists' album pages using newspaper sources, the Chilean plaque was awarded by IFPI Chile and Sony Music Chile, while the Colombian certifications were awarded in Medellín. The plaques and their respective certifications are shown in the photo. Some albums with newspaper sources or books are like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Jennifer Lopez, Madonna or more. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 22:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::AlexanderShakifan29 has been adding incorrect and unsourced certification numbers to Shakira articles for a few years now, as pointed out by @Muhandes in their talk page. Please establish consensus before adding these dubious certifications again. Also see WP:OTHERSTUFF. 89.19.79.56 (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I no longer add figures because there's no data on that. But there is information that she has been awarded certificates. You haven't answered me about other artists also having certificates, based solely on magazines. Be consistent. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 04:47, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I agree that certifications sourced from press articles that have no affiliation with the country's respective certifying agency should not appear in any article. I am pinging Lil-unique1, Ss112, Heartfox, Coolmarc, and Richard3120 for comment as other users have done so on this page. 89.19.79.33 (talk) 23:24, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::El Heraldo (a Colombian newspaper based in Barranquilla) was the one who reported on the certifications in Colombia. The plaque was presented in Chile by IFPI Chile itself. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 05:18, 23 April 2025 (UTC)