Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Polls 2

I've started a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Should_admins_be_extended_confirmed? about making admins keep Extended confirmed by default. Editors here may be interested in that discussion. Soni (talk) 07:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

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How can each editor on Wikipedia can vote if they are motivated to do so? How does RFA works? Does the size or the amount of editors in numbers work? Or maybe they just only needed to vote? 2600:387:15:4915:0:0:0:5 (talk) 11:01, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:In order:

:*By indicating their opinion on the RFA

:*An interested editor is nominated (either by others or by themselves) for adminship, at which point the community gives their support or opposition to the candidate. If they pass, they become an admin.

:*I would assume so, voter suffrage has been relatively consistent over the last decade or so.

:*People can just !vote or they can give an opinion, either option is accepted.

:Primefac (talk) 11:44, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::Yep, can anyone vote? If not, why? 2600:387:15:4915:0:0:0:5 (talk) 11:49, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Only extended-confirmed users can !vote in RfA/RfB discussions and administrator elections. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 11:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I know this. 2600:387:15:4915:0:0:0:5 (talk) 12:03, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Voting was limited to EC users following [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I#Proposal_14:_Suffrage_requirements this RfC]. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 11:53, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::But how is this all changed? After I read this proposal, it makes me wanting to think that how can newcomers participate in nominations without being excluded. 2600:387:15:4915:0:0:0:5 (talk) 12:04, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Plenty of EC users are still relative newcomers, but voting on Wikispace, especially in RFAs, is not really something suitable for brand-new users as it does require some experience with Wikipedia governance. CoconutOctopus talk 12:23, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::What happens if we let newcomers vote in RFAs, such as brand new editors? 2600:387:15:4915:0:0:0:5 (talk) 12:26, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I don't see the results of the RfC linked above to be overturned anytime soon. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::What is the point of this? 2600:387:15:4915:0:0:0:5 (talk) 12:32, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::On Wikipedia, there are a lot of guidelines and rules that aren't all that obvious to new users. The RfC linked above suggested we change the criteria of whom might complete a !vote (this isn't a "vote", rather a comment) in our adminship requests. Some of the reasons stated included making it more difficult to game, to stop one person creating loads of accounts to stop an RfA and also for people not familiar with Wikipedia not understanding how the RfA process works.

:::::::::Indeed, how Wikipedia works is that it is based on consensus. Lots of people get involved in the discussion and in this case it was closed with the idea that we would only allow extended confirmed accounts to !vote. For it to be overturned, as I was suggesting would require an RfC with a different outcome. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:37, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::The community has decided to modify our RFA system over the past several years to reduce the toxicity of the process. A random IP (or low edit count new user) could (and often did) make accusations or unfortunate comments with little risk of consequences. There is exactly zero chance that particular outcome will be overturned soon. Of the many changes, this example seems to be doing what it was intended to do. BusterD (talk) 12:39, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I should also state that non-EC editors are welcome to participate in every RFA process by making remarks in the general comments section. They cannot !vote, but they remain able to comment. BusterD (talk) 12:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::Exactly. Ymblanter (talk) 19:08, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

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