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Stub expansion progress

Hey all! Today we finally got our number of stubs covered by the project down to 500 articles, which means our first milestone of 80% articles being start-class or higher is likely to be secure for the foreseeable future. Thanks to everyone that has helped expand some of these articles! Next steps would probably be to raise our target to 85% or 90%, which would require us to expand between 100 and 250 more articles. We also still have 7 11 high-priority stubs to expand, which each got more than 30 daily average page views last month:

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Feel free to take one of these (or any other stub) on for expansion; every little helps, it only needs to be >250 words to get an article to start class. Let me know if you're ok with us setting a new goal (85/90%) for the stub expansion project and I'll get that started. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

:I've just finished tagging all our stubs that didn't yet have one, so now :Category:Anarchism stubs should be up to date. I'm thinking at some point I'll create some more sub-categories to make the category easier-to-browse, with stub tags for organisations, publications and anarchists of different nationalities. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:12, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

::Setting a new goal sounds good. I'll likely be spending my time making GAs and FAs rather than expanding stubs this year. czar 00:36, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

:::I've just bumped it up to 85%, which seems like it'll be doable given enough time. Best of luck with your GA and FA projects! --Grnrchst (talk) 10:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

  • Updated list based on this month's Hot 500. Seems like even more stubs got relatively high view counts this month. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:24, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've started making progress on these, with a small expansion on the anti-authoritarianism article and developing the biography on Andrea Costa a bit more. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:32, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

::Today I expanded the articles on Rouvikonas and Hans Jæger to start class. A lot more can be added to both of these, but they're more filled out than they were. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:Today marks the third or fourth time since posting this that I have tried to expand the market anarchism article but given up on it after reading the source material. I just find this subject so absurdly dull and uninteresting. If anyone here is up to give this article a bit of work, I'd appreciate it a lot. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:43, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Just got Peter Gelderloos over 250 words, although I could probably still do more from harder-to-access sources (that I have already identified) Iostn (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Iostn}} Nice work! Thanks so much for expanding this. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:38, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

=European Destubathon=

Just found out that in April 2025, WikiProject Europe is hosting the European Destubathon. We have plenty of articles about Europe and Europeans that could do with a wee bit of expansion, so if you want to take some of these on, this will be a good opportunity to do so! Of our top-priority stubs, the articles on Lou Watts and Noël Godin still need expanding. We also have plenty of biographies, books, publications, organisations and movements to choose from. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:@Aristoxène: By my count (using the [https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=33489566 Petscan tool]) there's some 61 stubs about anarchism in France that could do with expansion. Would you be interested in taking any of these on? --Grnrchst (talk) 14:06, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

::@Grnrchst Hello ! Oh that tool is very cool, didn't know that existed. Yes, I'll have to translate the page I just created on Pierre Martinet but I wanted to improve massively Clément Duval for starters, because it's clearly sad to see the page like that when the dude created a whole movement. I uploaded his 'bagne' papers on Commons the other day so I will have a look at it and at the other pages. Thank you for the link. Aristoxène (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't know if it works automatically but I think Duval is not a stub anymore (or at least hope so) Aristoxène (talk) 13:07, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::::@Aristoxène: Excellent work! It's looking good, although it might be a bit too reliant on Duval's autobiography in places. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:29, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Grnrchst So sadly for all the first part of his life the main infos seem to be only found in his autobiography. Note that the pages from the book I quote are not the parts where it's actually his autobiography but more like the biographical introduction made by the editor/translator (probably Galleani ?) about Duval. So the first 70 pages or so are like a biographical narrative of Duval's life which summarizes somewhat his Memoirs probably. I tried to take away most of Galleani's biased (because he is not neutral tbf) and misogynistic biographical account but yeah, it's not from Duval himself. I think it's probably the only biographical account on his life prior to 1886 (if you look at the Maitron, his life starts in 1886 literaly ^^) Aristoxène (talk) 13:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Michael Kemp (I think a pseudo-historian) claims that no infos exist on the early life of Duval, but I feel like he didn't read the actual autobiography or it's introduction, because the biographical introduction is 70 pages long and the autobiography (which I didn't read) is 1000+ pages long. I remember reading some historians discuss the 'arson property attacks' specifically as something kinda influential in terrorism and history so maybe this section could be consolidated with those sources if I find it back, but yeah for like the military and medical issues, very hard. Especially since also there is Galleani who claims that Duval divorced his wife that he was beating and in another source which I didn't add because I don't understand how this would work or whatever, we have a 'Louise Duval' which wrote in Le Révolté to save him and gather money for him in the penal colony. So a lot of shady points still sadly. It's probably more clear in the actual autobiography but 1000+ pages in Italian you know lol Aristoxène (talk) 13:44, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Also, I feel like the 'bagne' part is very short and should be improved, since a large part of his life and experiences and thought was dedicated to this subject ; but I like making pages about people in revolt and people in concentration camps make me sad somewhat so I didn't dwelve too much on it, someone else will probably over time, I hope. Aristoxène (talk) 13:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ah ok. I've changed the citation to clarify that it's the biographical chapter being cited, not Duval's own autobiography. According to the note at the end of the chapter, it seems like it was written by a certain "A. d. T." although I'm not sure who that might be just going off the initials. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Oh thanks a lot for that and for all :) @Grnrchst Aristoxène (talk) 17:38, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I'd wager [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015076846503&seq=73 N. d. T.] is short for "editor's note" there. But a matter for the Duval talk page anyway. czar 21:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::@Czar: Close! I just realised it's "Nota del Traduttore" (Translator's note). --Grnrchst (talk) 08:27, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

::I’ll try to do Alexandre Skirda and Robert Louzon BobFromBrockley (talk) 21:24, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I hope you can find some biographical information to add on Skirda! I've tried looking for some before, but only found reviews for his books. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:31, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I've done some basic work now to Alexandre Skirda and Robert Louzon, and have probably reached a limit. Would appreciate if anyone could review these. Will now (slowly) move on to the three British ones I volunteered for below! BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:I'm starting work on expanding some of our stubs about Spain (see [https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=33489635 Petscan results]), as I was already working on this area so it seemed like a natural fit. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:04, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::Just expanded my 25th stub about the Spanish anarchists, which makes 27 in total (together with 1 from Poland and 1 from Switzerland). I'll probably take a bit of a break from stub expansion over the next couple days, as this has been quite a lot of work. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:08, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Bobfrombrockley|LittleDwangs}} Hey, would either of you be interested in helping expand some of our stubs about the British anarchist movement? According to the [https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=33518811 Petscan results], we have some 23 stubs about British anarchists, their publications and organisations. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:07, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::I volunteer to take on Brian Morris (anthropologist), Richard Hunt (editor) and Yankev-Meyer Zalkind to start with. BobFromBrockley (talk) 21:11, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::PS while researching for these I was surprised to see Max Nettlau is a stub. I'll hope to get to him when I've done these three, but comrades should feel free to do so! BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:28, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Oh aye, that'd be an important one to expand, I'm also surprised it's been a stub all this time. Thanks for taking these on for expansion! --Grnrchst (talk) 12:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:We're are the end of the month now and we've brought the number of stubs in the project down to 455, which is less than 16% of our articles. Nice work everyone! --Grnrchst (talk) 12:17, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thank to all the people who spent a lot of time doing this work, ngl. I didn't help you as much as I could/should but truly it's very strong from the part of all the people I saw. Aristoxène (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:::L'Endehors destubbed (I think?). Thanks to @Noelbabar for their help on the FR:WP side (and I think they are not finished still). Aristoxène (talk) 00:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Anarchist anthropology

I've started a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bobfrombrockley/Anarchist_anthropology sandbox] on this topic, so far just using material from articles Harold Barclay (which is itself a stub in need of expansion), Pierre Clastres, James C. Scott, and David Graeber. If anybody wants to work on it with me, please feel free. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:37, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:@Bobfrombrockley Oh that's very interesting ! There seems to be a vast amount of material to add at least for Graeber ; and isn't Marshall Sahlins anarchist also ? I have no idea but they seemed to share a similar type of vision on the state at least in On Kings so ? Maybe not, though, I don't know them better than that but maybe you do ?

:I feel like we could probably also add Descola to the project ? his page is very poorly done (sorry to those who have done it). I think he is Marxist (disciple of Lévi Strauss - even though his theories are kinda anti-Levi Straus), and not anarchist per se but his thought was very influencial to develop the 'Zadist' movement in France (including with [https://www.seuil.com/ouvrage/ethnographies-des-mondes-a-venir-philippe-descola/9782021473018 this book], which he co-wrote with Alessandro Pignocchi, one of the figures of the 'Zadist' thought), which is not anarchist by itself but very very linked with anarchism, I should say. He was also a friend of Graeber, from what I understand and from the few elements I can understand of his thought, Descoola is Marxist officially but when you look at it more in detail, it's not classical marxism at all and is very linked to anarchism/autonomism, so I don't know what do you think about it ? Most of his work, from the small amount I can understand, is dedicated to describing the process by which naturalism came into fruition in the Western capitalist world as a new way of seing and aprehending reality - and all the other modes of understanding it that humankind developed (animism, totemism, analogism). So his thought was very influential for like radical ecology (at least in France, but he seems very influential in anthropology altogether) it's true and we should clearly put him in that project, since he also describes and dwelves a lot - by extension, with the birth of the concept of 'nature' in fact. So I'm saying that but that you could see how I feel like he hits the anarchist project in a more slantwise way but still could go there.

:[https://prnt.sc/dN9tG4lTcxsz Here you have an intervention] (I can't send the YT link so I send a screen of the title) he did with Graeber in English if you want to compare and see a bit and tell me if you feel it's relevant. He truly has a big influence on the Zadists ; but alternatively, we have the chance of him being alive and kinda accessible (I assisted to some of his conferences IRL and it was always kinda open and nice) still so we could write to him to ask him if he wishes to be in the anarchist project and if so, we would be sure of his self-identification (?). What do you think ? Aristoxène (talk) 18:06, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::This is very interesting, and feel free to directly edit the sandbox {{u|Aristoxène}}. I believe Sahlins didn't identify as an anarchist, but was influential on it (I have added a paragraph to his page making that clear). He was Graeber's PhD supervisor and as you say they wrote together. Descola I wasn't familiar with; it seems his page could do with some expanding.

::I don't know if it's too niche, but I created an "Anarchist anthropologists" category. So far, there's only a couple of people in it, as I think the article needs to include a sourced statement about the subject's anarchism to be included. BobFromBrockley (talk) 09:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::@Bobfrombrockley Just as a follow up, I reread some Descola stuff and bro was too much ML to my liking. I feel it's too much for him to go in the project, and while he is probably better than many other ML anthropologists, well, he kinda deserves to be there more than here. I'm sorry :( Aristoxène (talk) 22:05, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Though, to not leave you without anything, those are the names that [https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceculture/l-anthropologie-anarchiste-7823799 this national-level French media discusses] (in collaboration with a French museum - probably the worst museum here but still a big museum) as the main names of 'anarchist anthropology' : Marshall Sahlins, James Scott, David Graeber, Pierre Clastres, Alfredo Gonzalez-Ruibal, Christian Sigrist. This could provide a source clearling ensuring the anarchism of the four first, since they are taken as seminal anarchist anthropologists by the source + give you two pages that are not yet created but could therefore probably be created, since a French mainstream source knows them as notable anarchist anthropologists. Which kinda seems to indicate, at least to me, that you would be able to find a vast array of sourced content. Aristoxène (talk) 22:16, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Derrick Jensen

Would anyone have any additional reliable sources for Derrick Jensen (activist)? I've searched multiple times and have only come across passing mentions of his work and primary sources/interviews, so no in-depth analysis or biographical content. Considering whether the article should go to AfD or merge into a related article. czar 17:01, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:There really isn't anything via Deep Green Resistance or reviews of his books? That's a surprise, honestly. -- asilvering (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

::Just found my first biographical source. Most of his books don't have significant reviews apart from library trade publications. This said, one or two of his books could be independently notable. czar 20:05, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I think his article is likely to be the kind where it ends up being best to keep it as a standalone because it's related to so many other notable or plausibly notable topics (eg his books), rather than because it itself is a slam-dunk on GNG. That is, that it's the most centralized and obvious place for readers to look for the information. But that's mostly on vibes; I haven't done the searches you've been doing. -- asilvering (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for Review of My Page

Howdy:

This is Barrett Brown. As my Wikipedia page falls under the Project Anarchism umbrella among others, I figured this would be a good place to ask for help regarding a number of edits that have been made to my page over the last year which I don't think bear much scrutiny insofar as they tend to echo very specific alt-right talking points that aren't supported by even the most flawed mainstream reporting on my activities. For example, the first few paragraphs now include the assertion that I've been criticized for "allegations of harassing women online, which he denies." Nothing is linked to that provides any evidence of any of this. Likewise, it's not clear that several of the "criticisms" quoted in the first few paragraphs were made by an intelligence contractor whose activities I've reported on, something that the source material (in this case a New York Magazine profile) makes clear but that the Wiki doesn't. In general, I'd like to request that an editor or two take a look at what my Wikipedia entry was like two years ago and then compare it to its current state so as to get a better sense of how divorced the current version is from mainstream reporting on me and my work. I realize that the rules here might not actually justify all of the changes I might prefer, but if I could provide some additional context about some of these negative recent edits, I think many of you will come to agree that at least some of them merit being reverted. Thanks. BarrettLBrown (talk) 21:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:@BarrettLBrown, oops, sorry no one got back to you about this earlier. At a glance, this is indeed full of problems. I'll hail the folks at WP:BLPN to take a look. -- asilvering (talk) 01:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

::No problem, thanks for taking the time. BarrettLBrown (talk) 16:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

::At the suggestion of an editor at WP:BLPN, I've gone ahead and started writing up the issues with my page its talk section, which you can find here. Thanks again. BarrettLBrown (talk) 23:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Alas it looks like I didn't manage to pull anyone from the BLPN post. I'm currently digging through quite a emails/messages backlog both on- and off-wiki, but I've skimmed your talk page post and am encouraged to see that two of the things that most stood out to me when I compared the wikipedia article to the recent Intelligencer piece are the things you too have highlighted. If I drop this and no one else comes to the rescue in the next while, please feel free to ping me directly about it. Hopefully I will have escaped from paperwork hell. -- asilvering (talk) 23:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Women project edit-a-thons

Hey all! This month of May 2025, I've taken on coordinating two edit-a-thons for our women's projects. As per usual, I thought I'd make a post here in case any of you fancied joining us for either of them.

This month Women in Green will be hosting another wildcard edit-a-thon, which is focused on improving and reviewing articles about women and women's works so we can get them to Good Article status. WikiProject Anarchism has four vital articles about women that still need work, those being the articles on Dorothy Day, Itō Noe, Louise Michel and Simone Weil. Mujinga is currently waiting on a review for their article on {{ganl|Lucy Parsons|#=2}}, so if anyone here fancies taking that on, I'm sure that would be very much appreciated. We also have quite a few popular articles about women that could do with improvement, so feel free to take some of these on if you fancy:

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Meanwhile, Women in Red will also be hosting a revolutionary women edit-a-thon, focused on creating new articles about women in revolutionary movements. WikiProject Anarchism has over 100 women listed in our own redlists, so we have a lot to work with. If you fancy creating a new article about anarchist women, or translating some from other language Wikipedias, you can find some suggestions at our redlist of requested articles.

Happy editing! --Grnrchst (talk) 11:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

EvPath

Hello, companion @EvPath is interested in Wikipedia and would like to contribute to the project. I thought I'd introduce you to them to let you know that they would like to help here (I believe they want to work on creating pages about topics related to the recent history of anarchism in America, so since I don't know the subject at all and am therefore of little help to them and you do, I thought it would be a good idea for you to get in touch). Anyway, that's it. Best regards. Aristoxène (talk) 21:47, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome @EvPath! I'd be happy to help you in any way I can. --Grnrchst (talk) 22:33, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::Hello Gren!

::I am interested in making some articles. I want to make an article on the Cleveland bridge bombing entrapment case from 2012, an article on the zapatista education system, An article on the declaration of life and an article on the International Encounters of Rebellion and Resistance group.

::EvPath (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately I haven't heard of many of these, so can't help much; Czar might be better placed to help with those ones. For Zapatista education, I can recommend a few sources:

:::*{{cite journal|last=Barmeyer|first=Niels|year=2008|title=Taking On the State: Resistance, Education, and Other Challenges Facing the Zapatista Autonomy Project|journal=Identities|volume=15|issue=5|doi=10.1080/10702890802333769|pp=506-527}}

:::*{{cite journal|last1=Maldonado-Villalpando|first1=Erandi|last2=Paneque-Gálvez|first2=Jaime|last3=Demaria|first3=Federico|last4=Napoletano|first4=Brian M.|year=2022|title=Grassroots innovation for the pluriverse: evidence from Zapatismo and autonomous Zapatista education|journal=Sustain Sci|volume=17|pp=1301–1316|doi=10.1007/s11625-022-01172-5}}

:::*{{Cite journal|last=Shenker|first=Sarah Dee|date=2012|url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S073805931100143X|title=Towards a world in which many worlds fit?: Zapatista autonomous education as an alternative means of development|journal=International Journal of Educational Development|volume=32|issue=3|pp=432-443|doi=10.1016/j.ijedudev.2011.10.001}}

:::You can experiment with building new articles in your sandbox and when you feel like they're ready for publication you can submit them to the articles for creation process. So long as they're verifiable, neutral and based on reliable sources, they should be good to go. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

::::The declaration for life is a declaration made by the Zapatistas and signed by groups around the world. Here it is https://enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx/2021/01/01/part-one-a-declaration-for-life/

::::The International Encounters of Rebellion and Resistance is the organization created by the Declaration for Life.https://schoolsforchiapas.org/international-encounters-of-rebellion-and-resistance-2024-2025/

::::EvPath (talk) 09:57, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::@EvPath: Ah thanks for clarifying, I hadn't heard the full name of the encounters and I think I spaced on the Declaration because I hadn't had coffee yet. A quick Google Scholar search brings up [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22International+Encounters%22+%22Zapatista%22&btnG= a lot of results for the International Encounters] and [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22Declaration+for+life%22+%22zapatista%22&btnG= a number of results for the Declaration]. If you want to write a dedicated article about these topics, then you'll need to demonstrate that they have received significant coverage in secondary sources. If you can write more than 250 words of prose about them, based on reliable, secondary sources, then that should satisfy the requirements for a new article. If you're not able to write enough about them based on the sources you have available, then it might be worth adding details about them to larger articles (like the one about the EZLN). --Grnrchst (talk) 10:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:Haha! I see someone's finally managed to beat @czar to the welcome wagon. Welcome, EvPath. -- asilvering (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::Nice to meet you!!!!

::EvPath (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2025 (UTC)