Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing#Audley Harrison - nickname issue.

See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sam11333&oldid=1259343330#Versus this recent discussion] I had with User:Sam11333. The user appears to be under the impression that there is a consensus here to change "vs" (no dot) in boxing-related articles to "vs." This has resulted in a number of edits and pagemoves which violate WP:RETAIN. Posting here for comment before moving further with dispute resolution. 162 etc. (talk) 23:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

So are we using vs. or vs? Mahussain06 (talk) 08:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:It depends on the national variety of English used in the article. If it's British use "vs", if it's American use "vs." Read Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Boxing/Archive_10#RfC_about_replacing_"vs."_and_"v"_with_"vs"_in_boxing_match_article_titles-- Jahalive (talk) 19:09, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Here's something we could add above every record table, alongside Template:BoxingRecordSummary. This way we can ditch the many haphazard instances of {{tl|abbr}} buried deep within the record table, which has tended to confuse readers unfamiliar with boxing terminology.

How does this look to everyone? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

: I would adjust the table a bit to:

:* reduce the text size

:* use a table title instead of an extra table row

:* move "Abbreviation" into the title to reduce the width of the first column:

:* drop the table headings – the title now says enough

:

: This is smaller and so less in the way — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 18:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

::I guess we should have a key. I don't like how big it is. GhostInTheMachine's version is a little less intrusive, so better. It's probably not practical to only include the results that are actually in each fighter's record. Almost no one has PTS or TD. It's possible a bot could do that, but I don't know how.--Jahalive (talk) 17:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

::: The key would be above a table that is generally quite wide, so the key could be even shorter by converting to 2 columns (luckily 10 is an even number):

:::

::: Being selective about which abbreviations to include is certainly possible, but that would add a huge layer of complexity. Using one, centrally defined, key would make life a lot simpler — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 10:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

::::I'm liking it more and more. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::Ghost, I've rearranged the columns of {{tl|Boxing record start}} to match those used in our MOS. Could you assist in getting your two-column abbreviation key shunted into the template, as well as making it sortable? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

::::::Working on it ... Question: As policy should all boxing record tables have one column: {{red|Round(s), time}} or two columns: {{red|Round(s)}} and {{red|time}}? Articles have both versions. Your MOS currently specifies one combined column. Should it be two columns? Should it allow both versions? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 22:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::One column only for "Round(s), time", please. This is simply to avoid a clunky-looking, half-empty column of "?" or "N/A" where fights went to a decision. Most new record tables (likely numbering in the high hundreds, or thousands) have used the single-column format since 2015. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:09, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: The single column is the default in the template, with the split being available if really necessary. (I think 28 of the 30 articles I changed did use the split format.) The {{tlx|Boxing record start}} template could be made to track use of the switch and so be a TO DO list for altering older articles to use the preferred style. — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 20:54, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Going forward, are there bots available to convert existing tables (e.g., Daniel Dubois, where all this first came to light) to {{tl|Boxing record start}}? I haven't the faintest idea of how bots work, other than their usefulness for performing bulk tasks. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:46, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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In the end, I created 3 templates, along with documentation, sandboxes and tests:

• {{TLX|Boxing record key}} — this is the table from above that shows the abbreviations used.
• {{TLX|Boxing record header}} — this is the header for the table. It includes an option to create a 9-column table or a 10-column table. The MOS specifies the 9-column version, but some articles do use the 10-column version. The template handles both.
• {{TLX|Boxing record start}} — this is the template that should be used in the articles. It calls the other two and accepts a parameter. The plain version generates the 9-column table, but using {{TLX|Boxing record start|round-time-split{{=}}y}} generates the 10-column version.

I have updated all 30 of the articles that used the old version of the template. See a couple of examples:

• Daniel Škvor for the 9-column table.
• Errol Christie and Dewey Cooper for the 10-column table (with differing colour styles).

As a side-effect of all this, the tables no longer need to include {{code|style{{=}}"text-align:left;"}} all over the place — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 22:48, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:Love it, love it! Can't wait to start using it. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:11, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

::Which columns should be aligned left/centre/right?

:::Based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_Dubois&oldid=1267917139#Professional_boxing_record this] (albeit not yet using {{tl|Boxing record start}}), I think the Date column should be centre-aligned, and possibly even use {{tl|nowrap}}. All other columns look fine as they are. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:52, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't think of this earlier, but what should we do for newspaper decisions (NWS)?--Jahalive (talk) 03:25, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

: Oh dear, how distressing ... 11 is a prime number. You will have to think of something extra for the twelfth cell — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 11:32, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

::I think User:Blizzythesnowman has been listing those as NCs for a while. Not a huge problem. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:16, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi guys! The page I made for boxer Antonio Amaya has been sent to Draft:Antonio Amaya (boxer). The person who sent it there refuses repeatedly to bring it back, despite the fact Amaya was a three time world title challenger on the WBA and WBC.

I sent it to Draft review and it's taking days. I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Thanks! Jeaneete Knockout babe Martin (dime?) 06:15, 13 February, 2025 (UTC)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Boxing/Archive_8#File:All_Boxing_Lineal_Champs.png These types of images] are being added again (ex. List of current world boxing champions#The Ring). They violate several policies and MOS. Some of these problems can be fixed but I think it is better to present the info in these images in tables and we shouldn't use them.-- Jahalive (talk) 20:33, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:They've got to go. User has been told repeatedly about this. Revert on sight. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 13:49, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

With the announcement by Turki and Dana White of their new boxing league, this could be the start of a new era in boxing (possibly a five-belt era?). Obviously, very little details have been released so far and we’ll have to wait and see as they release more info in the coming months. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 18:15, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, we will need to wait and see what they do. The first card will be in September 2025. Mahussain06 (talk) 08:14, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Sharmba Mitchell and Roy Jones Jr. vs. Clinton Woods articles need class assessment from someone in wiki-boxing project. I gave importance assessment for WikiProject Oregon, where fights took place.--Orygun (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

hello I made this draft and I need help polishing it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Leonardo_Perdomo SpainMMAfan123 (talk) 05:06, 20 April 2025 (UTC)