Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Figure Skating

I've merged Professional Skaters Guild of America and American Skaters Guild to Professional Skaters Association, as I believe that the renamings (edit: referring to the guilds renaming, not the Wikipedia articles) do not come with any significant change in purpose or function. i'd really appreciate the community's opinion on the merge. In addition, the new article would really benefit from the review of someone more knowledgeable about figure skating. In particular, the first two sections have very few citations, and the statements that are sourced rely on physical publications which don't seem to have been archived. I would really appreciate if someone who has access to older Guild materials could verify existing citations, and potentially add some. JarJarInks (talk) 18:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

:@JarJarInks, I think the merge is fine. The problem is that the More citations needed templates that appeared on both versions are even more glaring now, which could be a problem going forward. I suggest that someone (not me, I don't have either the time or the inclination) should do some more research and find more sources to support all its claims. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I’m done arguing with this guy over at U.S. Figure Skating Championships and Template:U.S. Figure Skating Championships. Would uninvolved editors please take a look and chime in. Other nations’ national championships do not feature rowspan like this and I’m sorry to have introduced it in the first place. Additionally, unless there is some reason why a competition was not held in a particular year (like major events like WWI or WWII), then there is zero reason to include it. It just clutters up with the tables and templates with pointless garbage. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:With the template, 2026 should not be introduced yet. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. As for the US Figure Skating charts... tennis has pages with and without a player in every row. I actually think it is easier to follow with only a single name over multiple years. It takes less coding and it is easier to see blocks of dominance. As for the missing year, tennis always includes those missing years in grey. And there was a reason many sports got canceled or shortened in 1919... the Spanish Flu Pandemic! Quarantines, fear, difficulty planning... all these were because of the pandemic and still some war recovery. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand why participation in a World Championships is not included on WP:NSKATE. And even a national championships medal is not. I remember when people created articles for everyone who had advanced to the free skate in the worlds and even in the junior worlds. Many such articles exist for 10–15 years or more and are reasonably developed. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I suggest we change the notability guideline. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm writing this because of a user named {{u|Bgsu98}} (I hope the ping goes through) who decided to mass-delete articles that don't comply with WP:NSKATE. He doesn't seem to even google a bit and check compliance with WP:GNG. I am sure most articles he deleted had the right to stay per WP:GNG. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Please provide evidence where I have unilaterally mass-deleted anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:: I meant "mass nominated for deletion". --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:::And again, you wrote that I "deleted" anything, and argued that they "had the right to stay", despite the fact that the community decided through the AFD process that they did not meet notability guidelines. Your bad-faith accusations of malfeasance show a gross ignorance of the deletion processes here. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

::::Even the admins have noticed that you were mass-nominating articles for deletion with a little consideration. ({{u|Doczilla}} noted that at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas.)
Also, you must understand that there are a very few people here on Wiki that are willing to spend their precious time on checking a random skater for notability. Most people rely on the nominator's competence and just blindly vote "delete", "delete".
P.S. This is not a game. If you nominate articles without actually checking them for notability, you harm Wikipedia and its readers. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

::::Also, if you may notice, I didn't start this discussion to attack you. I'm proposing to change WP:NSKATE to be more in line with Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability or other guidelines the creators of figure skater articles may have acted upon back in 2010–2015. Cause many of these articles have something like "He advanced to the free skate at the 2005 World Junior Figure Skating Championships" in the lead. Also, I don't understand why the guidelines don't include Grand Prix participation. At least for some other sports, a simple participation in that sport's Grand Prix series is enough. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::"Even the admins have noticed that you were mass-nominating articles for deletion with a little consideration. (Doczilla noted that at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas.)"

:::::Doczilla said nothing of the kind. Again, another example of your bad-faith accusations and outright lies. I don't see you chiming in on all these AFDs that have you so bothered. Either put up or shut up. You want to roll WP:NSKATE back to the criteria in place in 2010? I think it was updated because many skaters who may have peaked by "advancing to the free skate at the 2005 Junior Figure Skating Championships" or whatever simply did not have the press necessary to meet Wikipedia's basic standards in the long run. Not every person who laces up a pair of ice skates merits inclusion. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

::::::I'm not talking about "every person who laces up a pair of ice skates", I'm talking about the top skaters in their country, national championships medalists who represented their country at the highest possible level of competition. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

::::::I think a free skate at the senior worlds and a national senior medal are reasonable criteria for inclusion. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

::::::re: "Doczilla said nothing of the kind." Oh, I absolutely said something of the kind. From my close: "The nominator's burst of dozens of nominations within half an hour failed to stimulate any discussion about many of them." Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 03:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::That's not what he said; he said I'd put little consideration into my nominations, which was not true. The fact that they were all submitted at once was because they had all been de-PRODded at the same time. You said they'd generated little discussion, which was true. Moscow Connection was once again being disingenuous, which is par for the course with him. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Apparently the part about your "burst of dozens of nominations within half an hour" was not blunt enough. Yes, I meant you'd put little consideration into those nominations because otherwise you could not have produced that "burst of dozens of nominations within half an hour" and Moscow Connection recognized what that plain statement meant. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 13:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:: But it is the same thing cause random people at AfD don't care about actually checking the notability and just vote "delete per nom". --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

This page's daily views count [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Figure_Skating] is in single digits. So I guess I will be talking only to Bgsu98... --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:@Moscow Connection I have voted on several of the aforementioned AFD discussions and can assure you I have done my best to find significant coverage on each before giving an opinion. I assume others who have taken part in these AFD discussions have done the same. To suggest otherwise is insulting and not in keeping with the "working together" and "assume good faith" ethos of Wikipedia. I suggest you take part in any current or future discussions and, if possible, add significant coverage to the articles in question. I would certainly rather see articles improved and kept than deleted but there is also no point having articles for Joe or Jane Blow who once placed 25th in the Azerbaijan national championships! As for changing the criteria as you suggest, I would oppose any such move. There are already far too many sports articles on Wikipedia that exist thanks to criteria tinkering and loopholes but in reality are of no interest to more than a handful of people at best. Shrug02 (talk) 18:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

::Shrug02, I appreciate your input at my AFD's, regardless of whether you concur with my assessments or not. It's not like I get a bonus for each deletion. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{re|Shrug02}} I'm sure most (if not all) of the skaters who skated at the worlds even once are notable. It is just that online sources don't live that long. Or/and become hard to find, especially given that normally you need to search in a foreign language. And you absolutely need to visit a library to find printed sources, especially for those who had skated before 2000 or 2005.
I think it was a terribie decision to change the rules. Tens or hundreds of thousands of articles may be deleted now absolutely unfairly. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

But participation isn't used for the Olympics either. Certainly you wouldn't raise the World Championships above the Olympics? You need to win a medal. Would I like to see the bar lowered to include top 16 finishers in both World Championships and Olympics... sure. But even if you did so we would still be required to show the person meets GNG. It would simply be a guideline to editors who create articles that notability if very likely. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:17, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

: Yes, for the Olympics too — participation should count.
It is just that I completely missed the changes in the sportspeople notability guidelines. I remember the guidelines like this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)&oldid=835426898#Figure_skating https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)&oldid=835426898#Figure_skating]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• I'm actually quite shocked. What happened is unfair not only to figure skaters, but to the editors who, in full accordance with the then-existing rules, created articles about them. That's crazy, laws aren't retroactive, the already existing articles should have been immune to any change.
  Back in 2010–2015 or so, there were several editors who created articles for figure skaters as soon as they met the requirements. I wonder how they feel. --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• :@Moscow Connection, as a long-time WP editor myself, I can say that I'd be disappointed. However, I understand that conventions and policies change and develop over time. After I got over my disappointment, I'd go back and try to rescue those articles if they came up for AfD. If I wasn't able to because the notability guidelines have changed, I'd go oh well and move on. Guidelines change because the editing community has come to consensus about it. If you don't like the guidelines, then try to change them. If there aren't enough sources out there about the subjects of a figure skating AfD, that's unfortunate. That just means that we have to search more diligently for them and resort to using Google translate if the sources aren't in English. I sympathize with your position, but I think that's what we have to deal with. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• I looked here →→→ Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Skating, and that's crazy what's happening. {{u|Bgsu98}} nominated 45 articles!!! I looked at two discussions concerning Russian figure skaters and see people voting "delete" without even thinking. It's too obvious that these people can't read Russian (or any other language).
  I personally think this should be stopped. --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• "Would I like to see the bar lowered to include top 16 finishers in both World Championships and Olympics... sure."
  — {{re|Fyunck(click)|Figureskatingfan}} Yes, maybe a slight change to WP:NSKATE (like slightly broadening it to include national medalists and the top 16 finishers at the Worlds and Olympics) can rectify the situation a little bit, but I am not knowledgeable enough in Wikipedia's procedures to succeed in something like this.
  I wonder how it happened that NSKATE got changed and no one intervened. Probably that's because this wikiproject is not particularly active. As I can see, the gymnasts and tennis players were spared the fate of figure skaters. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:26, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Actually, tennis has not gone unscathed. Many have been deleted since the massive demotion of participation. Female players were heavily affected bringing in the ire of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red project whose goal is to bolster the bias on females and the low amount of female articles at Wikipedia. However, Wikiproject Tennis also has its own guidelines regardless of NSPORT changes, so we are more flexible in what gets removed. No one should be prod'ing or deleting without first doing some checking themselves. That burns me more than anything. It's one thing to say don't create these new articles but it's quite another to delete an article with 10 years of wiki-history. If an editor simply goes around putting up deletion requests without doing their due-diligence of google searching or newspaper searching, or simply doing it to 10 year-old articles because they don't fit today's requirements, they should be reprimanded.
• :But here's the thing: an active wikiproject can mitigate aggressive editors. They post a deletion request and three or four project members say no, and the issue is solved. Consensus pretty much trumps everything at wikipedia. What the editor should be doing is putting {{fact}} tags in the article to let editors know they need to add more. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:ANI

After seeing the 45 AfD nominations I've decided to notify the Wikipedia administrators. Here:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bgsu98 mass-nominating articles for deletion and violating WP:BEFORE.

(I probably could have done a better job. But I have little to no experience in this kind of stuff.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:13, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

In what section does this goes in a biography ? Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 15:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:What do you mean? Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

::@Migrant, there used to be a parameter for skating clubs in skaters' infoboxes, but it's been removed as a parameter. My opinion is that if there's a reliable source that names the club affiliation, you could add it, with the source, to the body of the bio. An example would be Kimmie Meissner#Early life, in the middle of the second paragraph. Hopefully this answers your question. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:::There is still a parameter in the infobox for the current skating club. It was past skating clubs that were removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

::::So when a figure skater are retired there will be no mentioning of which figure skating club the figure skater represented as active in the infobox. That is very different from a footballplayer where all his or hers affiliates club history are listed. Why is this different ? Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 00:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::That is correct. Once they are retired, their coaches and skating club are removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::No answer for the second question on why a retired figure skaters biography is different from a retired footballplayers biography regarding listing of the historic membership club affiliations. Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 16:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I think the decision was that figure skating clubs simply aren’t a big thing like they are for soccer? Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:19, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

::::So why are there mentioned 2 club-affiliations in the infobox for Kimmie Meissner, since she is a retired figure skater ? Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 00:16, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::Those should have been removed when her retirement was posted. It's been fixed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:18, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Yeah, I see you removed it from the infobox but shouldn't that gone into a suitable text-section of the biography then instead of removing it all completely ? I mean it is still her personal best score and her personal coaches and choreographers that helped her to get there along the way. They should be given credit for their work. Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 16:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::That is fine if somebody wants to include it in the prose. The personal best scores should be reflected in a table further down. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I can't find that table in the article for Kimmie Meissner. When you removed it away from the infobox it could have been included at suitable place in the text part of the article, now we have to look through the articles history to find it or go check another off-wikipedia-statistics. Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 16:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::The results are [https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_pb_00006942.htm right here]. I'll try and add the table if I have time later today. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Well, there I tried an expansion on the subject for the mexicanborn norwegian figure skater Mia Risa Gomez [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mia_Risa_Gomez&diff=1275426937&oldid=1275405072 here]. If it is placed wrong, please move it to where it belongs, I tried my best. Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 00:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I have been adding sources to this article which is long overdue, and it has since become quite cumbersome. It is currently at 287,878 bytes and is still missing numerous sources. What are everyone's thoughts about splitting off the Junior medalists into their own article? I know the Japan and Russian Championships have separate articles for their Juniors, but I'm not sure if their Junior Championships are separate events. It would certainly reduce the load on this article.

Pinging Henni147, Figureskatingfan, CammiBel, Rainbowed-Sunned-Spirit, Gia Sesshoumaru, Banana12938, Clemkr, CaptainCanada, FloweringDagwood... Any other FS regulars I'm missing? Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:41, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

:Japan does have separate events for the novice, junior, and senior nationals - this year they were held about a month apart - and Russia also holds separate junior and novice nationals after their senior event. While the US nationals are held as one event, the lists are long enough that I think it would be reasonable to split off the junior results to make the page easier to navigate. I've also seen pages in other sports (e.g. USA Gymnastics National Championships, USA Indoor Track and Field Championships) that split all the medalist tables off from the event page, and the US nationals page has a decent amount of introductory prose, so that might be another option. FloweringDagwood (talk) 00:56, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

::The goal is to elevate this article to Featured List status, and they for sure won't take the tables without the prose, so either we split off the juniors, or leave it as is. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:10, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

What about a core list of championships that are held, listing: Year and date, location/arena and organiser, and maybe what specific championships that are held at each single event and if there where other championships held inside the same overall event. And diverting the medalist-table for each same type of competition in one list article to a total of 4 medalists-tables list-articles for senior competitors and the same for juniors. Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 11:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Bgsu98, I feel your pain about how tedious adding sources to this kind of article/list can be; I had a similar experience while doing the same task for List of highest scores in figure skating. To answer your question, though, my personal opinion is to keep its length, since much of this list is made up of tables. (You also may remember that I have nothing against long articles, but that's another debate to have later.) I haven't looked more closely to be absolutely sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could mine your sources for more content, something I'd like to take on at a later time. (Right now, I'm improving and expanding Surya Bonaly, which is quite a project.) I would suspect that this is something that the FLC reviewers would want; if I were reviewing it, that's what I'd want you to do. If you were to split off another list, I think that you should do as you suggest above and split off the juniors tables. If you do that, though, you should include some text to the new list, even if it's a repeat and/or resummary of what's here. Anyway, that's what I'd do; let me know if and how I can assist. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:31, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

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The Skating Lesson is often cited in our articles but I have long had WP:DAILYMAIL-like concerns about their sometimes-hyperbolic and BLP-violating reporting. Now that they've been forced to delete all their social media as a result of the controversy I think it's timely to formally consider them deprecated. We should remove all claims that are sourced only to them. Besides that, they are arguably a WP:SPS. Jasper Deng (talk) 23:12, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Okay, I'm lost... What controversy? I have no problem eschewing them as a source if you think that's best. I'm not sure I even used them as a source before. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:40, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Never mind; I just saw. Screw him. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:42, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

European Championships was just promoted to Featured List status, bringing the number of FS articles with FL status to five! Ukrainian Championships had been promoted a few weeks earlier. World Championships and U.S. Championships are currently listed as FL nominees, although U.S. has only received comments from one person and Worlds has received none, so who knows how long it will take for them to be processed? Canadian Championships and British Championships are all set to go once a vacancy opens up (FL only allows two nominees at a time). Estonian Championships is almost ready; the tables are good, but the introduction needs to be beefed up a little more. This one is tough on account of I don't speak Estonian. I'm not sure which one to focus on next; I was hoping to do Australia since it's also English-speaking, but the sourcing seems limited. I may do France or Germany since I'm good with both languages. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:42, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:@Bgsu98, congrats! You've done such great work improving FS lists, keep it up. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:35, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

For a long time I have wondered why templates like these; :Template:European Figure Skating Championships don't include the host cities name ? For easier finding the right event one is looking for ? Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 15:02, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:It would make the template bigger, but I can put together a sample later today to see how it might look? Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:26, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:This is what I've put together so far. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:26, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

I am going to Worlds next week and will be bringing my camera. Like I did last year, I will try to take pictures of all the competitors for Commons, and I was wondering if there are any other photos/videos people would like me to try to take while I'm there to illustrate skating articles. We have pretty good photo coverage of elements, but for example, maybe we are lacking photos for some coaches who will probably be there. If anyone has any requests, let me know and I will see what I can do. FloweringDagwood (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hey, I'll be at Worlds too! 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

::That's awesome! Hopefully we'll both have a great time there 😀 I'll be in section 19, so right in the corner. FloweringDagwood (talk) 01:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:::You can never get enough pictures of Deniss Vasiļjevs. 🥰🥰🥰 Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:43, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Request (happily) received 😉 FloweringDagwood (talk) 02:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Bgsu98}} Me too! Coordinate with me via email if you'd like to meet up!--Jasper Deng (talk) 15:27, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

::::@FloweringDagwood, @Jasper Deng, I will be in Loge 10. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:33, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I've noticed that the detailed results pages often tend to not include smaller domestic competitions (ie. US Nats qualifying, Russian Cup Stages), sometimes, but not always. I'm not sure if the reasoning behind this is that skaters who generally compete in smaller events wouldn't have a Wikipedia page, but there are plenty of examples where a notable skater is competing in a smaller domestic event, especially during the 2020-21 season where skaters were limited in where they could compete. The other problem is that not including these events omits significant parts of a skater's story - it makes it seem as if they had just shown up at nationals and completely ignores the fact that they competed that entire season, just at smaller events.

The other things is that smaller events sometimes become larger events - for example, in the case of the Russian Cup series during the covid year, where top skaters were competing there, including ones who would later compete at nationals or Worlds.

I'm not sure what the general policy on this is, or if it's a case-by-case basis situation, especially if there aren't that many other competitions to put for a specific skater (in which case it makes things look even more weird).

I ask because I'm trying to update the to the new table format for several skaters, but it's a little complicated when domestic competitions are sometimes included and sometimes not. Legendofmv (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

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See User talk:Bgsu98#1992 Grand Prix International de Paris. Can anything be done about this, please?

P. S. Yes, I understand that {{u|Bgsu98}} has very, very, exteremely good intentions and is a law-abiding user who will just say to the admins: "There are no reliable sources." But it looks like he doesn't know anything about figure skating. Cause saying "le Trophée de France is non-notable" is like saying "the Moon doesn't orbit the Earth". One has to literally "have no idea" to write that. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:17, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Nobody said the Trophée de France is non-notable. I said the competitions pre-1995 are non-notable. We don't keep articles on every individual skating competition, just the international championships, Grand Prix competitions, and Challenger Series competitions.

:Also, piss off with your condescension. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:: Why "pre-1995"? What happened in 1995? --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:39, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::The Grand Prix Series was launched. It looks like I know something about figure skating. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::::And why did you decide that it wasn't notable before that? It was a major competition that attracted the top skaters. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I did a quick search and found this article in Le Monde:
• [http://web.archive.org/web/20210411085321/https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1991/11/12/patinage-artistique-trophee-lalique-les-malheurs-de-surya_4035813_1819218.html "PATINAGE ARTISTIQUE : Trophée Lalique Les malheurs de Surya"]. ("Article réservé aux abonnés", but you can still read it on Wayback Machine.)
Does it look like something no one cared about to you? --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::::[https://www.humanite.fr/-/-/comment-tf1-sest-paye-la-fede-de-patinage "Comment TF1 s'est payé la Fédé de patinage"] – L'Humanité, 14 November 1994.
I appeal to your logical thinking and good will. It was a major competition. It was televised on major TV channels. Could you please just undo the redirects and let the articles be? --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Probably inspired by this (lack of) discussion, User:Bgsu98 continues his work of redirecting major figure skating competitions:

• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1979_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286397808 1979 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1981_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398062 1981 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1982_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398122 1982 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1983_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398178 1983 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1986_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398228 1986 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1988_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398258 1988 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1989_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398317 1989 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1990_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398364 1990 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1991_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398447 1991 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1992_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398536 1992 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1993_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286394957 1993 Skate America]
• [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1994_Skate_America&diff=prev&oldid=1286398596 1994 Skate America]

--Moscow Connection (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, your point? 1981 Skate America: no scores, incomplete tables, no sources. Get that trash out of here. If you want to restore the article with fully-completed tables complete with scores and appropriate citations, then go for it. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::The bottom line is there are literally dozens of international skating competitions every year and we do not maintain individual articles for each one; only the major ones I listed above. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

I will just leave this here for future reference:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bgsu98 mass-redirecting articles about major figure skating competitions. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:00, 20 April 2025 (UTC)