Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Question about draft

File:Hazel Jones as Pandora in "The Wonder Tales", 1918.png

If anyone is looking for a topic to write on, I just uploaded an image of actress Hazel Jones (1896-1974) who is currently a red link. She had a staff written obituary in The New York Times (see https://www.nytimes.com/1974/11/14/archives/hazel-jones-dead-stage-actress-79.html); so she clearly is a notable person. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Done Davidindia (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

I am working Wikipedia articles for 2 families that reside in North America.

Draft:Hatfield family and Draft:Cadotte Family.

Not gonna lie I put a lot of energy into these articles, I literally drove across the United States by myself to historical societies just to get access to many sources for these 2 families.

Then I realized that many individuals for these 2 American families have a lot of stuff to say about them and many of these families members are clearly notable enough for their own Wikipedia articles.

Equaysayway for example has an entire island named after her.

Athanasie is related to Matchekewis.

There is also stuff to say about Devil Anse’s mom and his great grandmother. CycoMa2 (talk) 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I wanna be brutally honest with y’all.

:I am tired as hell and I want these articles to exist so badly. I put so much energy and time into these drafts and I honestly need help. I am very close to finishing college and I don’t know if I’ll have enough time to work on Wikipedia after I get my degree. CycoMa2 (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::Advice: Move the entire content to the talk page and write five sentences with five solid references and a great picture. Don't bother with AfC but attend an on-line editathon like the ones organised on-line by the University of Edinburgh. Writing a successful wir article takes an hour for a newbie. (Longer routes are available, and you are creating one). Victuallers (talk) 09:14, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi all, I've been going through and trying to polish some of my old drafts, and keep hitting a wall with this one on a "Miss Paulyon". Basically, she comes up in several books as a lecturer in New York City pre-Civil War. But what I've written up is pretty much all we know about her. It seems like she maybe even only delivered one lecture. I'm so-so on notability here, but think there is a compelling case for because her story continues to be re-told into the 21st century, even if it is brief. Anyone have thoughts on this? I'd like to get a couple of opinions before possibly mainspacing. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 10:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:What is her first name? CycoMa2 (talk) 21:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::Nevermind it appears her first name is unknown. A source directly said it is unknown.

::Let me check WP:ANYBIO. CycoMa2 (talk) 21:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::She appears the meet notability under

:::The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field

:::due to:

:::"Paulyon was one of a few African American women who gained wide public attention as lecturers in the years leading up to the American Civil War. Historians, including Kellie Carter Jackson and Leslie M. Alexander, describe Paulyon's decision to leave the United States as a result of her feeling that, despite being free, she could not overcome racial inequities that were engrained in American society." CycoMa2 (talk) 21:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::::What is the source of this quote? FloridaArmy (talk) 12:53, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::That's from the draft itself Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:00, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I am working on an article for this woman, Draft:Equaysayway. She basically is the wife of Michel Cadotte, she has an island named after her. As the article currently stands how notable does she appear to be? CycoMa2 (talk) 00:26, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:She is noted in the Madeline Island entry and coverage there could be expanded. Redirecting her names to the history section there where she is discussed in an option if she is not independently notable. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:CycoMa2, you should find more sources, there are plenty on Google books using her native and English names. Silbernagel's book is independently published, but Tobola's publisher is unknown, so it could be a family publication. Based on articles about European nobility, an article that mainly lists the subject's spouse and relatives is likely to be deleted per WP:NOTGENEALOGY. TSventon (talk) 12:10, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::@TSventon the book compiled by Tobola is a book from Wisconsin Historical Society. I mainly used it as a reference because many history books used it as a reference.

::With regards to this comment: “Based on articles about European nobility, an article that mainly lists the subject's spouse and relatives is likely to be deleted per”

::Native American Cheifs and chiefs daughters are nothing like European nobility. I believed they acted more similar to how US presidents are.

::To be honest I was honestly hoping for her to pass the notability test similar to how Sacagawea managed to pass that test.

::I also hope Draft:Athanasie Cadot pass the notability test in the same way. CycoMa2 (talk) 13:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I think at present the article fails WP:NOTGENEALOGY.

:::Tobola's publisher is unknown according to [https://search.library.wisc.edu/catalog/999478222202121 the University of Wisconsin]. If you know the publisher you could add it to the article.

:::Sacagawea was published in 2005 when standards were different. Also it has multiple sources which suggests that GNG is probably met. TSventon (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::::@TSventon The book has the publisher in it. It’s just hard to find any websites on this publisher.

::::Another reason I felt the need to cite this 1974 book was because my dad is a journalist and a veteran who appears to have some influence, so I needed a source that he would had no involvement with since he was born in the 1970s. CycoMa2 (talk) 14:21, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I finally added the publisher of the book to the article. CycoMa2 (talk) 14:38, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

Dear WikiProject Women in Red,

I would like to propose the creation of a Wikipedia article for Raffaella Silvestri, an Italian feminist writer and cultural critic whose work addresses gender, literature, and social issues. Despite her contributions, she currently lacks a dedicated Wikipedia page.

Italy has a rich literary tradition; however, the representation of Italian women writers on Wikipedia is notably limited as I have seen living in Italy for 8 months. This underrepresentation reflects broader patterns in media and cultural institutions, where women's voices are often marginalized, but this seems to be true especially in Italy. As a scholar and translator, I struggle to find female poets from the 1900's whose work was at some point published and written about.

arxiv.org

Italy's literary canon has historically favored male authors, with female writers receiving less recognition and fewer literary awards. A 2022 article discussed how Italian women writers have rarely won major literary prizes, such as the Strega Prize, and their works are often less translated and less visible internationally .

lithub.com

+1

lareviewofbooks.org

+1

Creating an article for Raffaella Silvestri would not only acknowledge her individual contributions but also help address the systemic gender disparities in Italian literary representation.

There are many sources that provide verifiable information about her career and contributions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/opinion/a-ray-of-literary-hope-on-italian-tv.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/opinion/a-ray-of-literary-hope-on-italian-tv.html

Profile: https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/mixtape/Milano-Mumbai--1564601.htmlhttps://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/mixtape/Milano-Mumbai--1564601.html

Silvestri, Raffaella. Author profile and publications. Il Foglio.

https://www.ilfoglio.it/autori/raffaella-silvestri

Review - L’inserto culturale di Il Foglio. Contributions by Raffaella Silvestri.

https://www.ilfoglio.it/review

Domani Editoriale. Articles and essays by Raffaella Silvestri.

https://www.editorialedomani.it/autori/raffaella-silvestri

Elle Italia. Cultural criticism and essays by Silvestri.

https://www.elle.com/it/autori/raffaella-silvestri

I appreciate your consideration of this request and look forward to your guidance on the next steps.

Best regards,

ItalianWomenWriters — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItalianWomenWriters (talk • contribs) 11:47, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Hello {{u|ItalianWomenWriters}}. As the founder of WikiProject Women Writers, I am happy to meet you. I empathize with the situation that you address regarding Italian women writers. Unfortunately, much of what you mention is true of women writers from other countries, too.

: Regarding this person in particular, Raffaella Silvestri, when I google her from California (my home), the first search page shows websites that are not considered to be reliable sources, such as Instagram, Substack, About.me, rafellasilvestri.com, Amazon.com, Goodreads.com, etc. Perhaps biographical information exists in the links that you provide, but I couldn't access [https://www.ilfoglio.it/autori/raffaella-silvestri this author profile on ilfoglio.it], [https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/mixtape/Milano-Mumbai--1564601.htmlhttps://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/mixtape/Milano-Mumbai--1564601.html this profile on rsi.ch], or [https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/opinion/a-ray-of-literary-hope-on-italian-tv.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/opinion/a-ray-of-literary-hope-on-italian-tv.html this link on nytimes.com]. Regarding The New York Times, I did my own search and found [https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/opinion/a-ray-of-literary-hope-on-italian-tv.html this opinion piece written by Rafaella], but I didn't find any articles about her. Maybe other editors will have better luck?

: In the meantime, I created a [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q134727126 Wikidata item for her], which will ensure that she is included on the Women in Red list of Italian women writers who don't have a page on English Wikipedia and Women in Red list of women critics who don't have a page on English Wikipedia (these lists are periodically updated by a bot). If she doesn't meet the policy requirements of English Wikipedia today, she may in the future, so in this way, we haven't lost her name. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:27, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi Rosiestep,

::Thank you for your thoughtful reply and for creating the Wikidata entry, I really appreciate your support! I’ve checked and replaced some broken links with updated URLs to ensure better access to sources.

::To follow up on sourcing, here are several stronger references to help establish notability for Raffaella Silvestri, an Italian novelist and cultural critic with a notable gender studies perspective.

::Author profile and essays:

::Il Foglio Review (digital cultural platform of Il Foglio): https://review.ilfoglio.it/autore/raffaella-silvestri/

::Includes a biography and many essays, plus references to her novels La distanza da Helsinki (2014) and La fragilità delle certezze (2017).

::Featured profile:

::RSI (Swiss Public Broadcasting) cultural program Mixtape (RSI Rete Due): https://www.rsi.ch/rete-due/programmi/cultura/mixtape/Milano-Mumbai--1564601.html

::An independent radio interview/profile introducing Silvestri as a novelist and cultural figure.

::Authored content:

::Elle Italia print edition column (Signora o Signorina): https://www.elle.com/it/author/240587/raffaella-silvestri/

::Independent coverage:

::Critical review of La fragilità delle certezze in La Lettura (Corriere della Sera, March 19, 2017) by critic Ermanno Paccagnini, engaging seriously with her work.

::Numerous brief mentions in Corriere della Sera archives related to literary events and cultural activities.

::I’m happy to provide PDFs of archived Corriere della Sera articles (in Italian) with English summaries if helpful.

::Additional references:

::Interview in GILT Magazine: https://www.giltmagazine.it/interview/raffaella-silvestri-passioni-progetti-giovane-autrice/

::Review on LeUltime20: https://leultime20.it/la-distanza-da-helsinki-di-raffaella-silvestri/

::Feminist mention on Lucy Sulla Cultura: https://lucysullacultura.com/le-scrittrici-lo-spazio-se-lo-devono-ancora-conquistare/

::Debut novel interview/reviews: https://librangolo.altervista.org/intervista-11-raffaella-silvestri/

::Author profile on Domani: https://www.editorialedomani.it/autore/raffaella-silvestri-ugbwew97

::Muck Rack profile confirming her contributions to major outlets: https://muckrack.com/raffaella-silvestri

::Would you consider reviewing her eligibility again with these sources? I’m happy to translate or summarize Italian content for verification.

::I appreciate the Women in Red project and your efforts to raise visibility for women writers worldwide. Thanks again for engaging!

::Warmly,

::ItalianWomenWriters ItalianWomenWriters (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::*Hi {{u|ItalianWomenWriters}}. I'm happy that you found the information to be useful. I rarely create biographies of living people, so I wouldn't take this on myself. Perhaps someone else would be interested in doing so, or in collaborating with you on it... we are all volunteers. If by some chance you are the subject of the article, or closely related to Raffaella, or being paid to make this request, then please review these informational pages before creating/editing the subject's biography: conflict of interest and autobiography. Hope this is helpful. P.S. I couldn't find Raffaella's biography on Italian Wikipedia; does it exist there? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::*:Hi Rosie,

::*:Thank you again for your thoughtful and generous reply.

::*:I’m not Raffaella Silvestri, nor am I being paid to make this request. This inquiry came out of a broader conversation I had with her around the visibility of Italian women writers, especially in comparison to their French or Spanish counterparts.

::*:When looking for 20th-century POETS to translate and bring to new audiences, it’s often possible to find some trace of recognition — however minor — for French or Spanish writers that allows for a rediscovery. With Italian women poets, that recognition is often entirely absent during their lifetime, which makes recovery work so much more difficult.

::*:We spoke about even well known figures like Goliarda Sapienza, who died without seeing L’arte della gioia published, and whose work only resurfaced thanks to international interest. In that context, the absence of documentation — even basic biographical entries — becomes a major obstacle.

::*:I came across Silvestri’s cultural criticism while researching contemporary Italian writing and found it especially insightful — her work is deeply informed by questions of gender and cultural visibility, which resonate with the broader issues I’ve been exploring. I don't think she has an Italian Wikipedia page either.

::*:I completely understand the COI and autobiography guidelines, and I’m new to all this — I wouldn’t be able to write the page myself at this point. But I’d be grateful if someone more experienced might consider taking a look, or even collaborating on it. I’d be happy to help however I can, including providing reliable sources or English summaries.

::*:Warmly,

::*:ItalianWomenWriters ItalianWomenWriters (talk) 19:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

{{outdent}}

Thanks for the clarification, {{u|ItalianWomenWriters}}. I've crossposted a link at WikiProject Women Writers to extend the visibility of this conversation. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Could I please have some help with Draft:Blanche Davenport about a silent era American film actress? FloridaArmy (talk) 12:02, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:She may have just nicked the name but there were lots of UK/US actors named Davenport from the same family. Fanny Vining Davenport may offer a clue. Victuallers (talk) 09:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey everyone! I have nominated Leading Ladies of Entertainment for FLC. I'd appreciate any comments. Erick (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

If you fancy getting involved in upgrading existing articles on women, there is Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced articles/Backlog drives/June 2025 which aims to reduce the number of unsourced articles in the encyclopedia to a mere 50,000 by the end of June. Upgrading articles on women makes them less vulnerable to future threats of deletion, and it feels good to chip in to a general project like this.

WP:PetScan is a brilliant tool using which you can intersect :Category:All articles lacking sources with :Category:Women to see a list of 1957 articles which may or may not be about women although one of their categories is in a hierarchy with women at the top, One of the first listed is a male castrati singer, another is a railway station which might be in a category hierarchy going back to Queen Victoria, and so on. Or you can be more specific: again, the categorisation tree produces some very weird results, where the 19 hits for "African women" include Svendsen Peninsula (I can't see how!)

But in amongst all the false hits, there are articles listed which are about women and need proper sources. If you want to take part in the project, and appear on their leaderboard, all you need to do is sign up and then include "#JUN25" at the start of your edit summary - no need to register each article or jump through any hoops about length etc. But even if you ignore the project, it seems a useful thing to chip away at, improving the quality of the representation of women in the encyclopedia! PamD 08:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:For the interested, if any, Svendsen Peninsula is in a subcategory of :Category:Queen Elizabeth Islands, which is a subcategory of :Category:Elizabeth II, which is a subcategory of :Category:Queens regnant in Africa. TSventon (talk) 08:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Of course - obvious! I got as far as QE islands, but didn't follow further up the tree. Congratulations, Sherlock. PamD 09:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|PamD}}, could you link the unsourced women PetScan report? TSventon (talk) 09:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::No, it doesn't seem to form a link. Just go to https://petscan.wmcloud.org/ and put the two categories into the "Categories box" (no need to include "Category:"), click "Intersection", choose a number of levels (10 produces 1955, 7 gives 1401), and click "Do it"! I don't know quite how the "Negative categories" works, but adding "Sportspeople" got an error message about "Too many placeholders", while adding "Tennis" reduced the 7-level hits from 1401 to 1219! PamD 09:28, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|TSventon|PamD}} You can link directly to the intersection by copying the link to the PSID: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35898964 Seems we're already brought it down by more than 100 articles over the last week, so very nice work! --Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello friends at Women in Red. If you are local to NYC, please join Women Do News and Wikimedia NYC for an in-person edit-a-thon Thursday, July 17th from 5pm to 8pm at Prime Produce, for an evening of editing and updating Wikipedia pages to raise the visibility of women, women-identified and non-binary journalists. There will be in-person writing and editing support from experienced Wikipedia editors, as well as refreshments and prizes. Sign up here, and please say hi if you make it.

Ejgertz (talk) 22:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

The World Destubathon is on, and one of the main goals of the event is to expand stubs about women (with a $100 prize for most expanded!). According to PetScan, there are [https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=36064568 hundreds of thousands of stubs about women] (out of 3,897,373 stubs in total), so there's plenty to work on. This month, if you come across a short article about a woman that you think could do with more information, consider giving it some TLC! --Grnrchst (talk) 16:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

{{noping|Toadspike}} wrote: {{tq|There's a new pilot program open at Wikipedia:Resource support pilot, where editors can submit requests for the WMF to buy sources for them.}} Polygnotus (talk) 00:48, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:WP:MILHIST is going to have a field day with that. :P Silverseren^C 00:50, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::As will pretty much every WikiProject putting an above-average amount of effort in FAs. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:17, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::What is an "FA"? --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::::WomenArtistUpdates, you will have noticed that every wikipedia editor is (unreasonably) expected to know (almost) every wikipedia abbreviation. WP:FA means Wikipedia:Featured article. TSventon (talk) 15:28, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thanks {{u|TSventon}}! I was clueless with no context for the abbreviation :) --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I have only recently learnt about The World Destubathon, which is a general stub elimination and article improvement contest. The contest is open till 13 July and there are cash prizes which can be used to buy resources for further Wikipedia research.

There is a sub-heading in the page on 'Women's articles destubbed', and I wanted to confirm about any priorities for womxn's stub articles. I saw from the instructions that within :Category:All stub articles, I can filter by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?sort=relevance&search=articletopic%3Awomen+incategory%3A%22All+stub+articles%22&title=Special:Search&ns0=1 topic: Women] = 70,653 results. Is there another method or priority stubs from WiR please?

Thank you! SunnyBoi (talk) 02:43, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Plans are continuing for a Malawi based wikiproject and we are in a phase where we are gaining project partners. We are talking to universities, parliamentary groups, charities, Rotaries and Churches. Wikimedia UK are in support and the main focus is in Malawi and Scotland. I'm mentioning it here again as we tell people that we have Women in Red's support (and that impresses them!) which we don't want to take for granted. Our redlist has grown by over 500 and several groups are intending to change their image licensing policy to add to the couple who have changed so far. New images are being made available. When we have a quorate group of supporters then we'll be back to tell you more. Thanks for listening. Catherine Chavula and Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 11:51, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

: Adding WiR redlist for easy access: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Malawi. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:20, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sounds great! Incidentally, I have just reviewed a Malawi-related GA nomination: Talk:St Peter's Cathedral, Likoma/GA1 for St Peter's Cathedral, Likoma. If your partners have any comments or additional images, I expect they would be most welcome. —Kusma (talk) 16:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sounds like great news Roger! Kingsif (talk) 20:30, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

The list of 100 Interesting Women has been drafted here. At the moment there are about 115. Do feel free to add more but in time we will triage it back to 100. If you remember a woman that you found amazing (who is hardly known about) then add her to the list. If we have mentioned a leading WIR editor but not you or your mate then edit them in. I don't know how many people should be credited for creating these articles but it must be 100s and may well be 1,000s - I aim to create a list. Thank you. Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 11:51, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

We put together a proposal to present a talk at Wikimania about Women in Red. About our ten years of being a multi-gendered group trying to fix Wikipedia's gender gap (with some success). We were not accepted. We have been offered a slot at a pre-conference Wikimedia Women meeting. Failing to get a Wikimania slot is a tad disappointing, (and we seem to have been mis-categorised as a group of women editors). It is what it is, but it's much less than we expected. Victuallers (talk) 11:51, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

: {{u|Victuallers}}, I am sorry the paper did not get an official slot at Wikimania. I hope the very interesting list can be incorporated into our 10th anniversary. My suggestion is to move the page into Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Essays section. We can link it to a dedicated July event page like we created for the 8th anniversary Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/274. If all moves along we could create a QR code and possibly create stickers or buttons to distribute at wikimania. I am not attending but am willing to do tasks remotely. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:: {{reply|Victuallers}} Sorry to hear your proposal was not accepted, Roger, but in a way I am not surprised. Trends in recent months have increasingly turned away from support for woman's achievements, especially for some of our major concerns such as Black women. Fortunately developments such as these are normally limited in time and impact. Let us simply be proud of all we have achieved to date and keep the ball rolling ever more quickly towards our goals. I agree it would be good to present our achievements in an inspiring essay which could be widely distributed to our supporting communities. I would love to help out more vigorously but unfortunately my editing time is increasingly limited as a result of demanding family responsibilities but if you think there is anything specific I could contribute, please let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 16:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::: Adding to Roger's note regarding that the Women in Red proposal did not get accepted for the main Wikimania program (Days 1-4), but it did get accepted for one of the Wikimania preconferences (being referred to as Day 0), the day-long WikiWomenSummit (WWS):

::: The WiR session will be the only session at the WWS focused on "content gender gap". The other gender-related session that applied for the main Wikimania program and was declined for that but was accepted for WWS focuses on "editor gender gap". WMF staff told me that there may be other gender-related sessions that got declined for main Wikimania that will be shifted to WWS.

::: Ergo, for the WiR session, we should, as we commonly do, state other notable facts about WiR in addition to the "content gender gap" accomplishments, such as being a multi-gendered on-wiki group, and everything we've ever done has been on a budget of $0. We should certainly incorporate the list that {{u|Victuallers}} created and others have added to. The timeslot for the Women in Red session has not been determined yet. The participants that Roger named on the application, Roger+Carol+me, can present in-person and/or virtually.

::: I am just as disappointed as Roger that WiR won't be on the main program. Frankly, it seems anti-climactic that a WikiProject which was established at Wikimania 2015, and has yielded such success, did not get a spot on the main program to celebrate our 10th Anniversary, but let's be cognizant that the 2025 Wikimania Kenya will be a MUCH smaller conference than any of the previous ones, so limitations (fewer tracks; fewer rooms; fewer programming hours) should be understood as par for the course, rather than an oversight of our accomplishments. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Victuallers, this is disappointing to hear, but thank you for your efforts and I'll look forward to seeing the session virtually. The list is wonderful and a great showcase of the group's achievements. Clearly there's still a strong need for WiR's work, and maybe in 2035 we'll get on the main programme...! Ngā mihi (thank you), Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:16, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

WIR member Jess Wade was recently elected as an SPIE Fellow [https://spie.org/membership/member-recognition/spie-fellows]. Her accomplishments as a Wikipedian and advocate for gender equity in STEM are famous but her accomplishments as an academic and scholar are significant and notable too! Congratulations, Jess! —David Eppstein (talk) 01:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:And for the ignorant but curious, like me: "SPIE (formerly the Society of Photographic Instrumentation Engineers, later the Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineers) is an international not-for-profit professional society for optics and photonics technology.", to quote the lead of its article! PamD 07:06, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::That article doesn't actually mention its fellows, though we have a category for them. Someone might like to fix that? (No time today myself). PamD 07:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::But congratulations, @Jesswade88, anyway! PamD 07:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::: What a joy it is to see that others also recognise how clever she is... and she's a very nice person too! This has Made-my-morning. Victuallers (talk) 08:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::: This is certainly a significant achievement. Well done, Jess!--Ipigott (talk) 16:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::: Congratulations {{u|Jesswade88}}! --Rosiestep (talk) 20:51, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::+1 congrats! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:53, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Congrats! -- asilvering (talk) 01:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Congratulations! Nick Number (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

For those who are interested in creating articles particularly if there's an image at Wikimedia Commons, this month, I uploaded 126 B&W portrait photos from Musical Advance (1924-25) to Wikimedia Commons, and added them to our Women in Music 2025 year-long event (#326) in the "Black and white photographs of people section". Most of the women are from the U.S., but not all. Most are redlinks, but not all. Most/all of the redlinks lack Wikidata items. Not sure how many of the redlinks meet WP:N. -- Rosiestep (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

: Plus 35 from Musical West and Northwest musician (1925). --Rosiestep (talk) 23:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Can these women be added to Wikipedia? I have long thought their omission a shame and just found this site to raise it. Melanie Fennell is a psychologist who created the main model of working with low self esteem in CBT as well as contributing enormously to education and research in to cognitive therapy, cognitive behavioural therapy and mindfulness on the uk. Christine Padesky,from the USA, similarly has been a researcher, author and educator conceptualising cognitive therapy models and promoting them globally. They are both inspiring, warm and kind women whose ability to communicate in the field is remarkable. Beck (who created CBT) said Fennell was the greatest CBT therapist in the UK and Padesky the greatest in the US. Many thanks. 152.89.117.58 (talk) 07:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:[https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioural-and-cognitive-psychotherapy/article/low-selfesteem-a-refined-cognitive-behavioural-model/A170A4A8E6A428A2F1CF139590452AC5 This paper] goes a good way to establishing Fennell's notability, from the look of it: abstract starts "In 1997, Behavioural and Cognitive Psychotherapy published Melanie Fennell’s influential paper ‘Low self-esteem: a cognitive perspective’.", and talks of "honour the lifetime achievements of Melanie Fennell".

:To the IP who suggested these women: Wikipedia needs actual references to reliable sources. If you can suggest a few more sources which show their notability, articles will be more likely. PamD 08:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::[https://eabct.eu/resources/melanie-fennell/ This] looks useful too, and calls her "one of the pioneers of cognitive therapy in the UK" and "Voted “Most Influential Female UK Cognitive Therapist” by the membership of the BABCP in 2002.", which all looks pretty impressive. No time to pick it up myself right now. PamD 08:25, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Mam, just did a basic stub. Please check Melanie Fennell Davidindia (talk) 10:26, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::::And for Christine Padesky. Davidindia (talk) 11:58, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I received a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Allthemilescombined1#c-NicheSports-20250624040000-Non-encyclopedic_content talk page message] saying I should revert some of my edits. Just wondering if I could get any other takes on that. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, contextless and non-sequitur paragraphs going over every detail of a joke/jokes people made once (especially some incredibly boring ones) are completely unencyclopedic. Yes, writing a narrative-style anecdote, to a level of complexity and reflexiveness it confuses the point, instead of clearly stating the relevant fact, is unencyclopedic. Yes, soundbites on dating given for gossip magazines are unencyclopedic. Yes, townsfolk opinions on a single woodpecker that looks in the mirror added to the main article on all woodpeckers ever, is not only unencyclopedic but incredibly undue. Please ask yourself "is this relevant" before editing again, and please revert those edits. Kingsif (talk) 01:06, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:I note that you have been given similar messages since December - six months is a long time to not have learnt anything. Kingsif (talk) 01:09, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::I wonder if some of the quotes @Allthemilescombined1 would work better at Wikiquote e.g. the Nora Ephron one? It can be hard to get the balance right when you've found good phrases and I find Wikiquote can be a constructive place to add them. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::The Ephron one, maybe: it's glib about therapy, there's a topic there. I personally have much higher standards and don't think half of what's on Wikiquote should be. There's quote repositories all over the internet, my personal exacting standard for Wikiquote inclusion is that it's 1. notable and 2. has utility to be referenced. Kingsif (talk) 11:24, 25 June 2025 (UTC)