talk:Johann Sebastian Bach#Pronunciation footnote for name

With "Johann Sebastian Bach" in the opening paragraph. Just like it's "Joseph Haydn" and then "Franz Joseph Haydn" in the paragraph. Nobody called him Johann. He was Sebastian. Borges123xyz (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

:Doesn't matter. The majority of secondary reliable sources call him Johann Sebastian Bach, so Wikipedia does too. Aza24 (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

::The preeminent biography of Bach, Christoph Wolff's JS Bach, the learned musician, calls him "Sebastian". Tony (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

:::Yes, but the average person is more likely to know him as "Johann Sebastian Bach," so per WP:COMMONNAME the current title should be kept. Benpiano800 (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:::The biography's title is "Johann Sebastian Bach: The Learned Musician"..... Aza24 (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

::::I've worked at standardizing "Joseph Haydn" on Wikipedia -- but that is different because the reference sources generally call him that. J. S. Bach not so. Opus33 (talk) 05:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::There were quite a few Johanns in the extended family. Indeed about 40% of males had Johann as their first name. Wolff refers to him often as "Sebastian" in the body of his book. Tony (talk) 19:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

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The organ builder Wender died in the 1730s. Bach did play his instrument at the Bach Church in Arnstadt. But since then the organ has been replaced twice, each incorporating just one or two stops from the original. (I was shown organ number 2, and played it, in 1977; yet another organ has replaced that—call it number 3). So the Commons file is incorrectly labelled, and this has worked its way into the article. Tony (talk) 15:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:German Wikipedia is telling us something like: "Construction of a new organ for the New Church, the successor building to the burned-down Bonifatius Church, today's Johann Sebastian Bach Church." Its likely best to state that this is the recent version of the organ following the one lost to fire damage. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

::No: that organ was replaced some time between 1977 (when I played it) and the early 2000s. The German WP is wrong if it's claiming otherwise. Tony (talk) 08:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:Another organ played by Bach is in Dresden. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)::Utterly irrelevant. Tony (talk) 08:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:::This is in the wrong section, but I can't see how to find it in the edit box. Tony (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Fixed. Indyguy (talk)

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According to [https://archive.org/details/johannsebastianb03spituoft/page/274/mode/2up Spitta] though his death was blamed on ineffective eye surgery, he regained his eyesight on 18 July and was stuck down with apoplexy and a fever a few hours later, which were the proximate cause of his death on 28 July. ~~ All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC).
17:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:The last report that I've read on this was from c. 2000 from a Tampa newspaper here: [https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2000/05/26/bach-s-funeral-manuscript-found/]. Bach's burial at the time of his death apparently was not extensively rehearsed. Some relate that he was more or less taken directly for burial without much of even conventionally applied ceremony. ErnestKrause (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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If an FA push is truly the intention of some editors here. Then we still have a lot of work to do. As when I spoke to {{u|ErnestKrause}}, sourcing and the dramatically incomplete music section are the biggest hurdles. I'll begin to tackle sourcing but will have essentially no time to help during July—so will do what I can now, and then return in August.

For starters in the life section(s), We should not be citing Forkel, Spitta, or Schweitzer at all unless in addition to a more recent source, or for a very specific historiographical reason. I would also avoid Eidam and Gardiner, as not particularly acknowledged biographies.

Of course, Wolff (2000; only Grove if necessary) is our best source, but we need to mix it more with Boyd, Geck (a German source!) and Williams. Aza24 (talk) 03:04, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• The first body sentence alone: "Germany" unsourced, "duchy of Saxe-Eisenach" unsourced (now sourced), "31 March 1685 N.S." unsourced! I've moved 31 March to a note (still looking for a source for the date, but found one for the information); the fact that his main biographies hardly even mention it suggests it is mostly a trivial matter. In fact, I'm struggling to even find a reliable & secondary source saying "31 March". Aza24 (talk) 04:22, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
• Now the next few sentences... No information on the importance of the family he was born into, uncited note about violin/music theory (and incorrect! this is all uncertain!), incorrect note about organ instruction from Christoph (this is debated!). We can't just make things certain if they're not, this is happening all over the place.
• : I've fixed all of these things, but this is illustrative of the kind of work we need to do. Pull out Boyd, Geck (2006!), Williams, and Wolff—we evidently need to go sentence by sentence. Aza24 (talk) 05:34, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I've added the McKay citation to the lede which appears to be the main source for this do deal with your cite tag in the lede. There might be some interesting comments for your review on the peer review page linked at the top of this talk page for Bach. The McKay cite is also used in the Reception section of the article. More later. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I've also added a short 'Fugue composition' section in the Music section. ErnestKrause (talk) 22:51, 26 June 2025 (UTC)