talk:Martin Luther

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the beginning of the article says "despite the fact that Luther did not advocate the murdering of Jews", however, later in the article, it goes on to say "In Robert Michael's view, Luther's words 'We are at fault in not slaying them' amounted to a sanction for murder. 'God's anger with them is so intense,' Luther concluded, 'that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!'." is this not advocating for murder in at least some sense? in any case, the addition of "did not *directly* advocate the murdering of Jews" would clear this up.

Buzgie (talk) 21:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template. This doesn't feel like the type of non-controversial change that should be made via an edit request without discussion first. PianoDan (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

:AGREE — Luther's words unambiguously advocated murdering Jews.

:Peter Brown (talk) 21:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

::AGREE

::Luther unambiguously advocating the killing of Jews. This is not a matter of dispute within scholarship, and Luther's very works that are sourced within this article confirm this.

::This article demonstrates with sources already that Lutheran unambiguously advocating the killing of Jews. This is not a matter of dispute within scholarship, and Luther's very works that are sourced within this article confirm this. Ysys9 (talk) 11:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

:: This is an unambiguous call for murdering Jews. It is tendentious nonsense - or illiteracy - to say otherwise. The beginning of the article is utter nonsense in disputing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.17.68 (talk) 15:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

added "directly" as per the above consensus. self-disclosure: I'm a Lutheran pastor Bastique ^{☎ call me!} 15:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Changes to be made in the style of the source code:

Change "==University of Wittenberg==" into "===University of Wittenberg==="

Add "==Ministry and Later Years==" to the line before the one referenced in the previous suggestion. Reformat if needed. RetroOortus (talk) 19:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

:Clarification:

:Change heading "University of Wittenberg" to a subheading and in its place, put "Ministry and Later Years" RetroOortus (talk) 19:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

:File:Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Unless I am mistaken, this has been done. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Most historians contend that Luther's work contributed to the antisemitism rampant in early 20th Century Germany and the rise of the Nazi Party. "Some historians contend" implies this is a minority opinion. The only thing that they seem to disagree on is whether his antisemitic works were taken seriously in the intervening years. This sentence deserves some clarification. Bastique ^{☎ call me!} 15:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I see that Luther's of influence in Nazi mentioned in the page. But it's there something in all totalitarian Luther's attitudes. Including in communists and Americans who create some perfect idealism book making every person good. FairfieldAve (talk) 04:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:You will need WP:RS to add that. --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)