:Talk:2C-H

Another wikipedia article regarding 2,5-Dimethoxy-PEA or 2C-H exists, however the former is less informative and up-to-date as this one so either merge or delete the other one. I don't know how to do either of these things so someone please look into this. The other one is 2%2C5-DMPEA or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%2C5-DMPEA (same link). Thanks.--Astavats (talk) 08:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

{{Ping|Tony1}} Why was this page moved from hyphen-separated (2C-H) to endash-separated (i.e. 2C–H)? None of the other 2C family compounds, or any other organics I looked at use an endash. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

:Alan, all compounds should have an en dash, not a hyphen. That is as it is in the major style authorities, and per advice from WPian chemists I consulted. Tony (talk) 22:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Tony1}} I'm sorry, but would you cite your sources? I can't find any evidence of dashes being used or appropriate in WP or elsewhere – I found exactly the opposite. Examples:

::* All the other 2C-* articles for the compounds of the 2C family (as well as that article itself) (2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-F, 2C-G, 2C-I, 2C-N, 2C-O, 2C-O-4, 2C-P, 2C-SE, 2C-T, 2C-T-2, 2C-T-4, 2C-T-7, 2C-T-8, 2C-T-9, 2C-T-13, 2C-T-15, 2C-T-17, 2C-T-21, 2C-TFM)

::* The three huge navboxes at the bottom of the article, listing different types of names (brand, common, systematic) for many compounds: {{tl|Phenethylamines}}, {{tl|Hallucinogens}}, {{tl|PiHKAL}}. I checked that they were no redirects to dashed versions of the same name, too.

::* WP:Naming conventions (chemistry) mentions and shows hyphens for various types of names.

::* [http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal.shtml The PiHKAL book]

::* IUPAC [http://www.acdlabs.com/iupac/nomenclature/93/r93_45.htm R0.1.3.4] uses hyphens. (The use of dashes noted at [http://www.acdlabs.com/iupac/nomenclature/93/r93_150.htm#76v1gt R-1.2.3.4] (CO + BH₃ → CO•BH₃ "carbon monoxide – borane") is not relevant to this situation. "2C-H" is not a compound of something called "2C" and something called "H" – the "2C" represents the 2 carbon atoms between the benzene ring and the amino group and the "H" is simply an index letter from A to T (currently) within the family (though some were obviously chosen to be related to whatever is at the R4 position).)

::* USANs, as published by the [http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physician-resources/medical-science/united-states-adopted-names-council/adopted-names.page? AMA], use hyphens, not dashes, for generic retail drug names.

::* The relevant MOS pages do not mention hyphens or dashes, except WP:MOSCHEM#Skeletal formulas, in which it makes sense to use endashes to match the length of double- and triple-bonds. We are not talking about skeletal formulas, though.

::* The [http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3190/text bill] adding it to Schedule I, as well as [http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/cfr/1308/1308_11.htm Schedule I at DOJ]

::* Results of a [https://www.google.com/search?q=%222%2C5-dimethoxyphenethylamine%22+%222C-H%22+-%22wikipedia%22+-site%3Afindthedata.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Google search] for ["2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine" "2C-H" -"wikipedia" -site:findthedata.org] have no endashes in them, whether you use hyphens or endashes in the search terms (they are equivalent in the search database).

:: I know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not normally a good argument, but when taken in combination with everything else, I believe the hyphen is the correct character, not the endash. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

::edited at —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:41, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

::edited at —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

• I'm afraid Alan is right; as far as I know hyphens in chemical names should be shown by hyphens, not en-dashes, though the latter would be appropriate for showing bonds, which this, however, is not. --John (talk) 20:38, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

So why does the page still have the erroneous en-dash? Double sharp (talk) 02:45, 12 September 2016 (UTC)