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{{drn filing editor|Obi2canibe|19:58, 13 January 2017 (UTC)}}

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Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:Sri Lanka Matha#Tagore claim has been rebutted}}

Users involved

• {{User|Obi2canibe}}
• {{User|BlueLotusLK}}
• {{User|Peter K Burian}}

Dispute overview

There is a dispute on the Sri Lankan national anthem article Sri Lanka Matha as to who wrote it, Sri Lankan Ananda Samarakoon or Indian Rabindranath Tagore. This has been a source of dispute since April 2012 but before the current dispute [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri_Lanka_Matha&oldid=752992251 all views about the anthem's origins] were given and attributed in accordance with WP:NEWSORG and WP:NEWSBLOG, irrespective of whether they were opinion pieces/blogs or not. Last week BlueLotusLK edited the article so as to say that only Samarakoon wrote the anthem and that suggestion Tagore wrote the anthem was rubbish. This is a violation of WP:NPOV which requires all significant views that have been published by WP:RS to be included. There are many WP:RS which state that Tagore wrote the anthem, in full or in part. They can be found on the Talk Page.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

The issue has been discussed at length on the article's talk page.

How do you think we can help?

Decide if Wikipedia's policies require the inclusion that Tagore may have written Sri Lanka Matha.

• Obi wants to give undue weight to a minority view that seems to be an unsubstantiated rumour spread by several opinion pieces in Indian newspapers unfamiliar with Sri Lanka and its anthem, only dealing with it in passing while seeking to glorify Tagore. I left the oldest source to claim the view in and included another source from a newspaper that disputes its claim. Obi does not approve of this and wants to make the Tagore claim seem unchallenged "so the readers can decide". BlueLotusLK (talk) 21:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I am not one of the two users who are debating this issue, but one of them mentioned that I could post a comment here (on the Talk page). I am a totally unbiased guy in Canada, without any involvement in the country of Sri Lanka or (India). I am not acquainted in any way with either of the parties to this dispute.

I did a great deal of research on the issue of who wrote the anthem. Afterwards, I edited that section of the article, with a series of citations from major news agencies, all from 2015 or 2016. I posted a copy of that revised version on the Talk page for easy reference. It's under ORIGIN, in the topic == Finished editing - origin and use of the Tamil version of the anthem ==

Frankly, I am surprised there is any dispute on this topic. Peter K Burian (talk) 21:06, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

• Volunteer note - There has been discussion on the article talk page. The filing party has not notified the other editor of this filing and should do so. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Robert McClenon}} I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABlueLotusLK&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=759905285&oldid=758845213 notified the editor] straight after filing this case.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 16:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

::{{verified}} --JustBerry (talk) 16:29, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

{{v note}} {{ec}} Moved {{user|Peter K Burian}}'s comments to own summary dispute section per noticeable involvement (and disagreement) in content dispute on article talk page. --JustBerry (talk) 16:24, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

• {{verified}} All involved parties have been notified on their respective talk pages. --JustBerry (talk) 16:29, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
• {{ping|Obi2canibe}} {{ping|BlueLotusLK}} Opposing parties, thank you for your statements. I will be moderating the case moving forward. Other volunteers are more than welcome to give their input within the discussion. Although your initial statements do not demonstrate this, please remember not to make personal statements, including remarks about another editor's behavior. Rather, the discussion should be focused on the content dispute at hand. In the section I have created below called "Involved Parties #1," I would appreciate if both parties would list the sources they feel are independent, published by a third party, and reliable. Weighing the frequency and depth of references to the subject within those sources, as well as the sources' reliability, will help push the content dispute forward. --JustBerry (talk) 04:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Sources saying Ananda Samarakoon wrote and composed "Namo Namo Mata" aka "Sri Lanka Matha":

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• CIA World Factbook (2016): "name: "Sri Lanka Matha" (Mother Sri Lanka) | lyrics/music: Ananda SAMARKONE | note: adopted 1951" {{cite encyclopedia |title=Sri Lanka|encyclopedia=The World Factbook |url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ce.html |archive-date=12 December 2016}}

• Lonely Planet (2009):"one of Sri Lanka's best known composers is Ananda Samarakone (1911-62) who wrote the Sri Lankan national anthem." {{cite book |last= Atkinson |first= Brett |date= 2009 |title= Sri Lanka |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=6QAgHA69_rwC |location= |publisher= Lonely Planet |page= 50 |isbn=1-74104-835-4}}

• Collier's Encyclopedia (1963): "Ceylon: Namo namo Matha ("Hail hail Mother") . Words and music: Ananda Samarakone." {{cite encyclopedia |title=Ceylon|encyclopedia=Collier's Encyclopedia |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=bRKzI5GA8FcC&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ2_3a883RAhVG1CYKHagjAGU4HhDoAQgeMAE |archive-date=1963}}

• Ananda Samarakoon & His Master's Voice (1946): "comp: Ananda Samarakoon" {{Cite AV media notes |title="Namo Namo Mata" |others=Ananda Samarakoon |year=1946 |url=http://my.popsike.com/SRI-LANKA-Ananda-Samarakoon-Swarna-de-Silva-rare-HMV/251285665287.html |first=Ananda |last=Samarakoon |page= |type=Type |publisher=His Master's Voice |id=Publisher ID |location=Sri Lanka}}

• Sunil Ariyaratne (Janury 13 2011): "අනෙක් සියලුම ගායක ගායිකාවන් හින්දි - දෙමළ - බෙංගාලි ගී තනු කොපි කරද්දී සමරකෝන් පමණක් අලුතින්ම ගී තනු නිර්මාණය කර ගැයුවේය. ‘නමෝ නමෝ මාතා’ ආදී ගීතය. Translation: "When everyone else sang Hindi-Tamil-Bengali tune copies Samarakoon alone wrote original tunes and sang them... "Namo Namo Mata" was one of those songs."{{cite web |url=http://www.sarasaviya.lk/2011/01/13/_art.asp?fn=sa1101136&pn=06 |title= ජාතික ගීය නිර්මාතෘගේ ජන්ම ශත සංවත්සරය අදයි |author= Sunil Ariyaratne|date= |website=Sarasaviya |publisher=Sarasaviya|access-date=5 December 2015|quote=}}

• Rupavahini (2016): "ශ්‍රී ලංකා ජාතික ගීය නිර්මාණය කිරීම. Translation: Sri Lanka National Anthem composer." {{cite web |url=http://www.rupavahini.lk/vinividawiki/artists/musicians-in-sri-lanka/23-ananda-samarakoon.html?showall=&start=1 |title= Ananda Samarakoon |author= |date= |website=Vinivida Wiki |publisher=Sri Lanka Rupavahini Corporation|access-date=5 December 2015|quote=}}

• Gerald Wickremesooriya (1998): "Ananda Samarakoon wrote his own lyrics, composed his own tunes and sang them himself." {{cite web |url=http://www.sundaytimes.lk/981018/plus5.html|title= Dancing to our own tune |author= Gerald Wickremesooriya|date= |website=Sunday Times |publisher=Sunday Times|access-date=6 December 2015|quote=}}

• Ediriweera Sarachchandra for UNESCO (1988): "Ananda Samarakone, the composer of Sri Lanka's National Anthem" {{cite book|last1=Sarachchandra|first1=Ediriweera|authorlink1=Ediriweera Sarachchandra|last2=|first2=|authorlink2=|title=Ediriweera Sarachchandra|date=1988|publisher=UNESCO|isbn=9789559043003|page=9|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Wa8vAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMk7ip3c3RAhVRgSYKHRVkCGQQ6AEIOjAE}}

• K. M. de Silva (1988): "He remembered the song Namo Namo Matha sung by its composer, Ananda Samarakoon" {{cite book|last1=de Silva|first1=K. M.|authorlink1=K. M. de Silva|last2=Wriggins|first2=Howard|authorlink2=William Howard Wriggins|title=J. R. Jayewardene of Sri Lanka: a Political Biography – Volume One: The First Fifty Years|date=1988|publisher=University of Hawaii Press|isbn=0-8248-1183-6|page=368|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=6orPBJCSPhIC}}

• Times of India (April 3 2011): "Inspired by Tagore, his student Ananda Samarakoon wrote and composed the Sri Lankan anthem in 1939-40. It was adopted as the island nation's anthem around 1952, though political turmoil has seen it altered over the years." {{cite news|title=Man of the series: Nobel laureate Tagore|url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/off-the-field/Man-of-the-series-Nobel-laureate-Tagore/articleshow/7854172.cms|work=The Times of India|agency=Times News Network|date=3 April 2011}}

• Times of India (March 21 2015): "Written and composed by Ananda Samarakoon in 1940, the song was adopted as the national anthem in 1951. Samarakoon was a student of Tagore and it's said that the song was inspired by the bard's music."{{cite news|title=Tagore, and World Cup's unique National Anthems

|url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/india-in-australia/top-stories/Tagore-and-World-Cups-unique-National-Anthems/articleshow/46644054.cms|work=Times of India|date=21 March 2015}}

• The Hindu (December 6 2015): "The Sri Lankan national anthem was written by Ananda Samarakoon, most probably in 1939-40, while he was Tagore's disciple at Visva-Bharati University. Samarakoon's first Shantiniketan stint ended after six months but he heralded a new brand of Sinhalese music influenced by Rabindra sangeeth." {{cite web |url=http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/sri-lanka-to-release-stamp-on-tagore/article1995281.ece|title=Sri Lanka to release stamp on Tagore|author= R. K. Radhakrishnan|date= |website=The Hindu |publisher=The Hindu|access-date=6 December 2015|quote=}}

• The Hindu (February 4 2016): "The anthem, called “Sri Lanka Matha,” was authored by Ananda Samarakoon, a student of Shantiniketan. It is said to have been influenced by Rabindranath Tagore. Criticising the government’s move, Uday Gammanpila, leader of the Pivithuru Hela Urumaya , said there is no Constitutional sanction for the action." {{cite news|title=Sri Lanka I-Day to have anthem in Tamil|url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/sri-lanka-iday-to-have-anthem-in-tamil/article8189939.ece|work=The Hindu|date=4 February 2016}}

• The Hindu (June 28 2011): "...Ananda Samarakoon (author of the Sri Lankan national anthem)..." {{cite news|title=India honours doyen of modern Sinhala music|url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/india-honours-doyen-of-modern-sinhala-music/article2141369.ece|work=The Hindu|date=28 June 2011}}

• Hindustan Times (May 12 2010): "Rabindranath Tagore wrote the national anthems of two countries, India and Bangladesh. But he deeply influenced the words and music of a third, the Lankan national anthem, ‘Sri Lanka Matha’. The anthem was written and composed by Ananda Samarakoon, most probably in 1939-40, while he was Tagore’s disciple at Visva-Bharati University. Samarakoon’s first Santiniketan stint ended after six months but it was inspiring enough for him to return and begin the first traditions of a unique Sinhalese music." {{cite news|title=Tagore’s influence on Lankan culture

|url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/world/tagore-s-influence-on-lankan-culture/story-ABmSseNTEg4EFv5AAoDpbN.html|work=Hindustan Times|date=12 May 2010}}

• Hindustan Times (May 5 2011): "The writer Ananda Samarakoon spent time in Shantiniketan as Tagore’s disciple and anyone who’s heard Rabindrasangeet, Tagore’s body of songs, will be able to discern similarities of that tradition in the Lankan anthem `Sri Lankan matha’. It is believed he wrote the song soon after returning to Sri Lanka.In his message, President Mahinda Rajapaksa said, "He also had great influence on Ananda Samarakoon who wrote and composed our own national anthem." " {{cite news|title=Tagore to be commemorated in Lanka stamp|url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/world/tagore-to-be-commemorated-in-lanka-stamp/story-o1qMqnWxXOPwKcNw7qjYxM.html|work=Hindustan Times|date=5 May 2011}}

• CNN-News18 (May 8 2012): "Ananda Samarakoon came to Visva Bharati, the university founded by Tagore in Shantiniketan, West Bengal. Influenced by Tagore, he went back to his country, then under British rule, and composed the Sri Lankan national anthem, "Sri Lanka Matha." {{cite news|title=How Tagore inspired Sri Lanka's national anthem|url=http://ibnlive.in.com/news/how-tagore-inspired-sri-lankas-national-anthem/255713-40-103.html|work=CNN-News18|date=8 May 2012}}

• Livemint (May 6 2011): "Tagore made a roundabout entry, having inspired the creation of the Sri Lankan national anthem, Sri Lanka Matha. “Jana Gana Mana and the Sri Lankan national anthem are based on the same raga too,” explains Supriya Roy, who is curating anexhibition of photographs, text, poems and manuscripts titled Rabindranath Tagore: Pilgrimages to the East, which opens on Monday to coincide with Tagore’s 150th birth anniversary. A letter from Ananda Samarakoon, the composer of the Sri Lankan anthem, to Tagore is in the possession of the Tagore archives of Visva-Bharati University, Roy says In it, Samarakoon—a former student at Tagore’s Visva-Bharati University in Santiniketan who was moved by Rabindrasangeet to create the modern Geeta Sahitya music style in Sri Lanka—expresses gratitude to Tagore and hopes the Sri Lankan song “pleases” him.." {{cite news|title=The Asian Mind|url=http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/lxcmT1jzhdAtEnl4ql60oL/The-Asian-mind.html|work=Livemint|date=6 May 2011}}

• Livemint (December 30 2016): "He is also reported to have inspired the Sri Lankan national anthem, written and composed by his student, Ananda Samarakoon." {{cite news|title=The national anthem’s moment|url=http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/zOfCp6dOuYqYw3KL28QcgP/The-national-anthems-moment.html|work=Livemint|date=30 December 2016}}

• Daily News and Analysis (March 21 2015): "In 1951, Sri Lanka adopted Shantiniketan-trained Ananda Samarakoon's Sinhalese-language song 'Sri Lanka Matha, Apa Sri Lanka' as the national anthem. Simultaneously, a Tamil version 'Sri Lanka Thaaye Nam Sri Lanka' composed by Lankan Tamil poet M Nallathambi was also adopted."{{cite news|title=Sri Lankan President lifts ban on singing national anthem in Tamil|url=http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-sri-lankan-president-lifts-ban-on-singing-national-anthem-in-tamil-2070806|work=Daily News and Analysis|date=21 March 2015}}

• The New India Express (July 10 2016): "Lankan leaders in the arts studied at Tagore’s Vishvabharati University in Shantiniketan, and were thus were greatly influenced by Tagore. These include Ananda Samarakoon, who wrote and composed the Lankan national anthem, the tune being heavily influenced by Rabindra Sangeet. Samarakoon was Tagore’s student at Shantiniketan." {{cite news|title=Lankans helped Tagore when Shantiniketan was in financial difficulties|url=http://breakingnewslive.net/news/lankans-helped-tagore-when-shantiniketan-was-in-financial-difficulties?uid=40248|work=The New India Express|date=10 July 2016}}

• Ceylon Today (1968) "...the late Ananda Samarakone (author of the National Anthem)" {{cite journal |author= |date= 1968|title= Ceylon Today |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=MZc5AQAAIAAJ&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUhurj8M3RAhVDyyYKHVYEDsM4FBDoAQgZMAA|journal= Ceylon Today|volume= 17-18|issue=|pages=84|doi= |access-date= 19 January 2017}}

• Sunday Observer (January 30 2011): "It is on record that Namo Namo Matha - now Sri Lanka Matha - was composed while he was a teacher at Mahinda Colege, Galle. T.D. Jayasuriya then Chief Inspector of Schools for the Southern Province had suggested to Samarakoon to compose a song that would inspire a feeling of patriotism in the listeners. Namo Namo Matha was his response to Jayasuriya's suggestion. He called it a Jatika Geeya national song. Samarakoon has made a note in one of his books that he composed it in October 1940. This fact was stated in an article in the tabloid Nava Yugaya of Nov. 5, 1984. It was first sung in public before W. Dahanayaka, then Mayor of Galle. He was accompanied by Elain de Silva with whom he had earlier sung the duet Endada Menike. Two years later in 1942 he sang Namo Namo Matha in a 'Sarala Gee' programme on Radio Ceylon. This time he was accompanied by a pupil of his, Swarna de Silva who was then his partner in singing duets. The song first appeared in print in 1943 in a book of songs titled Kumudini with a foreword by T.D. Jayasuriya. Namo Namo Matha and some other songs that Samarakoon sang with Swarna de Silva were recorded by H.M.V. the gramaphone record company" {{cite web |url=http://archives.sundayobserver.lk/2011/01/30/jun06.asp|title= The Origin of our National Anthem |author= Sumana Saparamadu |date= |website=Sunday Observer |publisher=Associated Newspapers of Ceylon|access-date=6 December 2015|quote=}}

• The Island (May 10 2016): "It is commonly known that Tagore wrote the national anthems of India and Bangladesh. It needs to be emphasised however, that evidence does not support the suggestion that Tagore wrote the Sri Lankan national anthem or composed music for it, as suggested by a Bangladeshi columnist named Habib Haroon in an article on The Hindu of 17 May 2011. Haroon’s assertion that Sri Lanka’s anthem is based on a Bengali song written by Tagore, and wast translated into Sinhala by his pupil Ananda Samarakoon is unsubstantiated. A careful search of the complete works of Tagore in original Bengali - the 30 volume Rabindra Rachanavali - has failed to show any poem by Tagore that vaguely resembles the possible original words of Namo Namo Matha." {{cite news|last1=Wickremasinghe|first1=Kamal|title=Rabindranath Tagore: Portrait of a torn soul|url=http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=144998|work=The Island|date=10 May 2016}}

• The Island (April 5 2016): "Namo Namo Matha...Some of us are fortunate enough to travel the world and every time we fly back and get the first glimpse of the wonderful ’Pearl of the Indian Ocean’ we are overwhelmed by its beauty. Unlike us, it is said that the first time Ananda Samarakoon flew back from India in October 1940, having done previous journeys by train, he put his thoughts to verse and ‘Namo Namo Matha’ was born. He spoke for all of us when he penned:"Sundara siribarini surendiethi Sobhamana Lanka Dhanya dhanayaneka mal palaturu piri Jayabhoomiya ramya" He was the music teacher in Mahinda College, Galle and got the children to sing it as a patriotic song, the cry for freedom being embedded in the line "Nava jeevana demine nevatha apa avadikaran Matha" meaning ‘Awake us again for a new dawn". He recorded it with Swarna de Silva in 1946 and it became an instantant hit.{{cite news|last1=Wijaywardhana|first1=Dr. Upul|title=The Forgotten Genius|url=http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=143246|work=The Island|date=5 April 2016}}

• The Island (April 22 2016): "...to sing our national anthem is implicitly to remember its creator, Ananda Samarakoon is emphatically not "a forgotten genius".{{cite news|last1=Fonseka|first1=Carlo|title=Tragedy of Ananda Samarakoon

|url=http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=143246|work=The Island|date=22 April 2016}}

• The Sunday Leader (March 22 2016): "The original Sinhala song written by Ananda Samarakoon has been translated into Tamil by poet Muthuthambi. And the music score is the same. Therefore these hardliners are nothing but extreme racists who reject anything Tamil and who are trying to take our country backwards. Tamil speaking people of this country have been using the Tamil national anthem for the last 65 years until a group led by Wimal Weerawansa and Udaya Gammanpila opposed it in 2010 – Leader of the Democratic People’s Front Minister Mano Ganesan ..... “The original Sinhala song written by Ananda Samarakoon has been translated into Tamil by poet Muthuthambi. And the music score is the same." {{cite news |last=Karunarathne |first=Waruni |date=22 March 2016 |title=National Anthem In Tamil: Mixed Reactions |url=http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2015/03/22/national-anthem-in-tamil-mixed-reactions/ |newspaper=The Sunday Leader |location=Sri Lanka |access-date=12 January 2017}}

• The Sunday Leader (May 6 2012): "One of the main stories in his book is how the National Anthem was composed. It was composed by Mr. Ananda Samarakoon who was the music teacher of Mahinda College at that time."{{cite news|title=Sundara’s Story

|url=http://www.thesundayleader.lk/2012/05/06/sundaras-story/|work=The Sunday Leader|date=6 May 2012}}

• Sunday Observer (March 22 2015): "The Sri Lankan National Anthem was written and composed by the late Ananda Samarakoon in 1940. It was officially adopted as the National Anthem of Sri Lanka on November 22, 1951, by a committee headed by Sir Edwin Wijeyeratne. Samarakoon who was a student of the great Indian musician Rabindranath Tagore and reportedly the tune had been influenced by Tagore's genre of music." {{cite news |last=Kodagoda |first=By Anuradha |date=22 March 2015 |title=A matter of language |url=http://archives.sundayobserver.lk/2015/03/22/fea15.asp |newspaper=Sunday Observer, The Associated Newspapers of Ceylon Ltd. |location=Sri Lanka |access-date=12 January 2017}}

• Sunday Times (October 28 2012):"The college song was composed by Ananda Samarakoon, the composer of the National Anthem."{{cite news|title=Dharmashoka Ambalangoda has a unique place in education|url=http://www.sundaytimes.lk/121028/education/dharmashoka-ambalangoda-has-a-unique-place-in-education-17871.html|work=Sunday Times|date=28 October 2012}}

• Sunday Times (June 20 2010):"An equally disturbing omission is the composer of our national anthem, singer and musician the late Ananda Samarakoon who did a monumental service for the cause of Sinhala music."{{cite news|title=A book full of information that fills a void|url=http://www.sundaytimes.lk/100620/Plus/plus_21.html|work=Sunday Times|date=20 June 2010}}

• Ada Derana (March 18 2015): "It was in 1951 that newly independent Lanka adopted Shantiniketan-trained Ananda Samarakoon’s Sinhalese-language song “Sri Lanka Matha, Apa Sri Lanka” as the national anthem. Simultaneously, a Tamil version, “Sri Lanka Thaaye Nam Sri Lanka”, composed by the Lankan Tamil poet, M.Nallathambi, was also adopted. For decades, both versions were sung, although only the Sinhalese version had constitutional sanction." {{cite web |url=http://www.adaderana.lk/news/30176/sirisena-allows-singing-of-lankan-national-anthem-in-tamil |title=Sirisena allows singing of Lankan national anthem in Tamil |author= |date=18 March 2015 |website=Ada Derana News Portal |publisher=Ada Derana |access-date=12 January 2017}}

• Ranee Savarimutthu (1977): "Ananda Samarakone, the composer of Ceylon's national anthem..." {{cite book|last1=Savarimutthu|first1=Ranee|authorlink1=|last2=|first2=|authorlink2=|title=New Delhi and Sri Lanka: Four Decades of Politics and Diplomacy|date=1977|publisher=OCIC Sri Lanka|isbn=|page=39|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=ReYPAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUhurj8M3RAhVDyyYKHVYEDsM4FBDoAQgiMAI}}

• P. Ramaswamy (1987): "Ananda Samarakone is the author of Sri Lanka's national song: 'Namo, Namo, Maatha'" {{cite book|last1=Ramaswamy|first1=P.|authorlink1=|last2=|first2=|authorlink2=|title=New Delhi and Sri Lanka: Four Decades of Politics and Diplomacy|date=1987|publisher=Allied Publishers|isbn=|page=55|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=SiIdAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwid0t7L4s3RAhWCRCYKHWCYBus4ChDoAQg0MAY}}

• C. L. Pujitha Gunawardena (1990): "Mr. Ananda Samarakone, the composer of Sri Lanka's National Anthem"{{cite book|last1=Gunawardena|first1=C. L. Pujitha|authorlink1=|last2=|first2=|authorlink2=|title=This is Colombo calling: 1924-1949 : reminiscences|date=1990|publisher=Perali Publishers|isbn=|page=55|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=DRYaAAAAIAAJ&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMk7ip3c3RAhVRgSYKHRVkCGQQ6AEISDAH}}

• Bandula Jayawardhana and W. Diyasena (1996): "...Among such men were Ananda Samarakone, the composer, later, of the National Anthem." {{cite book|last1=Jayawardhana|first1=Bandula|authorlink1=|last2=Diyasena|first2=W.|authorlink2=|title=A Brush-stroke Sketch of the Contemporary Sinhala Theatre, 1950-1980|date=1996|publisher=S. Godage & Bros.|isbn=9789552020001|page=7|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=dSdlAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ2_3a883RAhVG1CYKHagjAGU4HhDoAQgZMAA}}

• Encyclopedia of National Anthems (2011):{{cite book|last1=Hang|first1=Xing|authorlink1=|last2=|first2=|authorlink2=|title=Encyclopedia of National Anthems|date=2011|publisher=Perali Publishers|isbn=|page=|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=oLyOvgAACAAJ&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ2_3a883RAhVG1CYKHagjAGU4HhDoAQgiMAI}}

• Thomas Warnakulasuriya and Leslie Fernando (2006): "...in 1949 as the composer Ananda Samarakone had gone abroad." {{cite book|last1=Warnakulasuriya|first1=Thomas|authorlink1=|last2=Fernando|first2=Leslie|authorlink2=|title=Being close to them: among some eminent personalities|date=2006|publisher=Godage International Publishers|isbn=|page=50|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=8hFVAAAAYAAJ&q=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&dq=%22Ananda+Samarakone%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUhurj8M3RAhVDyyYKHVYEDsM4FBDoAQgdMAE}}

• Sri Lanka Guardian (2011): "In 1949 Fr. Marcelline Jayakody was invited to train the choir for the song ‘Namo Namo Matha’ for the first independence celebrations as the composer of the song Ananda Samarakone had gone abroad." {{cite news|title=Fr. Marcelline Jayakody - a legend in his lifetime|url=http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2011/01/fr-marcelline-jayakody-legend-in-his.html|work=Sri Lanka Guardian|agency=Sri Lanka Guardian|date=2011}}

• His Master's Voice (c. 1950s): {{Cite AV media notes |title="Namo Namo Mata -Band" |others=Ananda Samarakoon |year=1951 |url=https://www.musik-sammler.de/media/677344/ |first= |last=Ceylon Army Band |page= |type=Type |publisher=His Master's Voice |id=Publisher ID |location=Sri Lanka}}

• The Quint (December 28 2015): "The song’s lyrics have enthused generations of Indians, and inspired Ananda Samarakoon to compose the Sri Lankan national anthem along recognisably similar lines."{{cite news |last=Chakravarty |first=Radha |date=28 December 2015 |title=Song of Synergy: An Anthem and a Vision |url=https://www.thequint.com/india/2015/12/27/song-of-synergy-an-anthem-and-a-vision |newspaper=The Quint |location=India |access-date=18 January 2017}}

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BlueLotusLK (talk) 06:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Here are some sources which state that Tagore wrote the anthem, in full or in part:

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1. Nira Wickramasinghe (2003): "After the mass at St. Mary's Church, one of the largest churches in Ceylon, Boy Scouts and Girl Guides formed a guard of honour in front of the Church and a large number of school children sang the national anthem, the music of which was composed by Rabindranath Tagore."{{cite book|last1=Wickramasinghe|first1=Nira|authorlink1=Nira Wickramasinghe|title=Dressing the Colonised Body: Politics, Clothing, and Identity in Sri Lanka|date=2003|publisher=Orient Longman|isbn=81-250-2479-4|page=26|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Wde58hbSxUEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=Tagore&f=false}}
2. A. M. A. Muhith (2008): "providing the national anthem of two states - India and Bangladesh - and the tune for the national anthem of Sri Lanka".{{cite book|last1=Muhith|first1=A. M. A.|title=State Language Movement in East Bengal, 1947-1956|date=2008|publisher=University Press|page=12|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2cUbAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Tagore%22+%22anthem%22+%22lanka%22&dq=%22Tagore%22+%22anthem%22+%22lanka%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjz7ofhgs_RAhVBIMAKHWrRB8k4MhDoAQhFMAk}}
3. The Times of India (3 April 2011): "Rabindranath Tagore as the genius behind the national anthems of three countries, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka".{{cite news|title=Man of the series: Nobel laureate Tagore|url=http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:LowLevelEntityToPrint_TOINEW&Type=text/html&Locale=english-skin-custom&Path=CAP/2011/04/03&ID=Ar01601|work=The Times of India|agency=Times News Network|date=3 April 2011}}
4. Junaidul Haque / The Daily Star (7 May 2011): "In April 2011 we learned that Sri Lanka's national anthem was also penned by Tagore. 'Apa Sri Lanka, Nama Nama Nama Nama Mata, Sundar Sri Boroni' was originally 'Nama Nama Sri Lanka Mata' in Bangla, written and set to tune by Rabindranath. He did so at the request of his favourite Sri Lankan student at Shantiniketan, Ananda Samarkun, in 1938. In 1940 Ananda returned to his native land and in 1946 he translated the song into Sinhalese and recorded it in Tagore's tune".{{cite news|last1=Haque|first1=Junaidul|title=Rabindranath: He belonged to the world|url=http://archive.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=184548|work=The Daily Star (Bangladesh)|date=7 May 2011}}
5. Haroon Habib / The Hindu (17 May 2011): "Sri Lanka's national anthem was also penned by Tagore: Apa Sri Lanka, Nama Nama Nama Nama Mata, Sundar Sri Boroni was originally Nama Nama Sri Lanka Mata in Bangla, written and set to its tune by Tagore. He did it at the request of his favourite Sri Lankan student at Santiniketan, Ananda Samarkun, in 1938. In 1940, Ananda returned to his native land and translated the song into Sinhalese and recorded it in Tagore's tune".{{cite news|last1=Habib|first1=Haroon|authorlink1=Haroon Habib|title=Celebrating Rabindranath Tagore's legacy|url=http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/celebrating-rabindranath-tagores-legacy/article2026880.ece|work=The Hindu|date=17 May 2011}}
6. Ashis Nandy / Occasion, Stanford University (17 February 2012): "Tagore also scored Sri Lanka’s national anthem, though he did not write the lyrics".{{cite journal|last1=Nandy|first1=Ashis|authorlink1=Ashis Nandy|title=Nationalism, Genuine and Spurious: A Very Late Obituary of Two Early Postnationalist Strains in India|journal=Occasion, Stanford University|date=17 February 2012|volume=3|url=http://arcade.stanford.edu/occasion/nationalism-genuine-and-spurious-very-late-obituary-two-early-postnationalist-strains-india}}
7. J. P. Alexander (2014): "It is indeed a matter of national pride that Tagore also scripted the anthem of Sri Lanka, apart from "Jana Gana Mana"!"{{cite book|last1=Alexander|first1=J. P.|title=Decisive Battles, Strategic Leaders|date=2014|publisher=Partridge Publishing|isbn=978-1-4828-1805-5|page=188|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kojXAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA188&dq=%22Tagore%22+%22anthem%22+%22lanka%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirkYCQgs_RAhWDCMAKHbkyBfg4ChDoAQgZMAA#v=onepage&q=%22Tagore%22%20%22anthem%22%20%22lanka%22&f=false}}
8. Raj Gonsalkorale/ Asian Tribune (14 March 2015): "In recalling the history of the Sri Lankan National Anthem, the great Bengali poet Rabindranath Tagore’s association with it is reported in The Hindu."{{cite news|last1=Gonsalkorale|first1=Raj|title=ICC World Cup: Sri Lankan Cricketers can unify the Nation by singing the National Anthem in Sinhala and Tamil|url=http://asiantribune.com/node/86578|work=Asian Tribune|date=14 March 2015}}
9. Kamanthi Wickramasinghe & Yoshitha Perera / The Daily Mirror (30 March 2015): "The Sri Lankan National Anthem composed by Ananda Samarakoon was originally written by Rabindranath Tagore who was his teacher. The song which was written in Bengali language was then translated to Sinhala".{{cite news|last1=Wickramasinghe|first1=Kamanthi|last2=Perera|first2=Yoshitha|title=Sri Lankan National Anthem: can it be used to narrow the gap?|url=http://mirrorcitizen.dailymirror.lk/2015/03/30/sri-lankan-national-anthem-can-it-be-used-to-narrow-the-gap/|work=The Daily Mirror (Sri Lanka)|issue=30 March 2015}}
10. Aakanksha Singh / Daily News and Analysis (7 May 2015): "The original song of Sri Lanka's National Anthem was also written and tuned by Tagore".{{cite news|last1=Singh|first1=Aakanksha|authorlink1=Aakanksha Singh|title=Rabindra Jayanti: Nobel laureate Tagore's life in a nutshell|url=http://www.dnaindia.com/locality/new-delhi/rabindra-jayanti-nobel-laureate-tagores-life-nutshell-59180|work=Daily News and Analysis|date=7 May 2015}}
11. Sushmita Sen / International Business Times (8 May 2015): "[Tagore's] notable works include 'Gitanjali', Rabindra Sangeet, India's National Anthem 'Jana Gana Mana', Bangladesh's anthem 'Amar Shonar Bangla' and also, the original song of Sri Lanka's National Anthem".{{cite news|last1=Sen|first1=Sushmita|authorlink1=Sushmita Sen|title=Rabindranath Tagore Jayanti 2015: How Bengalis Celebrate Late Nobel Laureate's Birthday; Famous Quotes and Wishes|url=http://www.ibtimes.co.in/rabindranath-tagore-jayanti-2015-how-bengalis-celebrate-late-nobel-laureates-birthday-famous-631805|work=International Business Times|date=8 May 2015}}
12. Hindustan Times (9 May 2015): "few know that Sri Lanka's national anthem is based on a Bengali song originally written by Tagore in 1938. It was translated into Sinhalese and adopted as the national anthem in 1951."{{cite news|title=Five things you need to know about Rabindranath Tagore|url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/books/five-things-you-need-to-know-about-rabindranath-tagore/story-EvYsWUz6in9DTarTlHO7RJ.html|work=Hindustan Times|date=9 May 2015}}
13. Khaled Ahmed / The Indian Express (12 June 2015) - "Another poem by [Tagore] about Sri Lanka was actually translated into Sinhalese and set to music by Sri Lankan genius Ananda Samarakoon, a Tagore pupil, in 1940; it became the national anthem of Sri Lanka in 1951."{{cite news|last1=Ahmed|first1=Khaled|title=Nationalism over verse|url=http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/nationalism-over-verse/|work=The Indian Express|date=12 June 2015}}
14. India Today (7 August 2015): "[Tagore] wrote...'Nama Nama Sri Lanka Mata', in Bengali, for Sri Lanka."{{cite news|title=Remembering Rabindranath Tagore alias 'Gurudev' on his 74th death anniversary|url=http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/story/r.tagores-famous-works/1/457007.html|work=India Today|date=7 August 2015}}
15. Mamun Rashid / Dhaka Tribune (13 August 2015): "The lyrics and music for the original song of Sri Lanka’s national anthem were also the works of Tagore".{{cite news|title=Tagore beyond Tagore|url=http://archive.dhakatribune.com/op-ed/2015/aug/13/tagore-beyond-tagore|work=Dhaka Tribune|date=13 August 2015}}
16. Sudip Bhattacharyya (2015): "Another poem by [Tagore] about Sri Lanka was actually translated into Sinhalese and set to music by Sri Lankan genius Ananda Samarakoon, a Tagore pupil, in 1940; it became the national anthem of Sri Lanka in 1951."{{cite book|last1=Bhattacharyya|first1=Sudip|title=Over The Years|page=60|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iLtECwAAQBAJ&pg=PA60&dq=%22Tagore%22+%22Lanka%22+%22anthem%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiimJzusLbRAhVDOMAKHW5sDEMQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=%22Tagore%22%20%22Lanka%22%20%22anthem%22&f=false}}
17. Bipin Dani / Pakistan Observer (20 March 2016): "The National Anthem for Sri Lanka was also first written by [Tagore] in Bengali which was later translated in their local language".{{cite news|last1=Dani|first1=Bipin|title=National Anthem is made to sing after the event, says member of Tagore family|url=http://pakobserver.net/national-anthem-is-made-to-sing-after-the-event-says-member-of-tagore-family/|work=Pakistan Observer|date=20 March 2016}}
18. Charnamrit Sachdeva / NewsX (23 March 2016): "not many are aware that...the lyrics of Sri Lanka’s National Anthem were given by [Tagore]."{{cite news|last1=Sachdeva|first1=Charnamrit|title=Did you know that Rabindranath Tagore wrote national anthem for other countries also apart from India?|url=http://www.newsx.com/national/3145-did-you-know-that-rabindranath-tagore-wrote-national-anthem-for-other-countries-also|work=NewsX|date=23 March 2016}}
19. NTV (Bangladesh) (7 May 2016): "While [Tagore] both penned and composed the National Anthem for both India and Bangladesh, Sri Lanka’s anthem was also written by him in Bengali in 1938. After the country got independence, the song was translated in Tamil and few lines were changed and adopted as its National Anthem".{{cite news|title=Tagore’s 155th birth anniv today|url=http://en.ntvbd.com/art-culture/22134/Tagore%E2%80%99s-155th-birth-anniv-today/print|work=NTV (Bangladesh)|date=7 May 2016}}
20. Shivam Vij / The Huffington Post (30 November 2016): "Tagore, author of the national anthems of India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka..."{{cite news|last1=Vij|first1=Shivam|title=India Doesn't Need Nationalism, Said The Man Who Wrote India's National Anthem|url=http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/11/30/india-doesnt-need-nationalism-said-the-man-who-wrote-indias-n/|work=The Huffington Post|date=30 November 2016}}
21. Sandip Roy / Quartz (1 December 2016): "Tagore is unique in that his name is associated with national anthems of three different countries (India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka)".{{cite news|last1=Roy|first1=Sandip|authorlink1=Sandip Roy (author)|title=In today’s India, even the writer of its national anthem would be labeled a seditious anti-national|url=https://qz.com/850182/in-todays-india-even-rabindranath-tagore-the-writer-of-its-national-anthem-would-be-labeled-a-seditious-anti-national/|work=Quartz|date=1 December 2016}}
22. Prasenjeet Kumar (2016) - "India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lankan have honoured him by making three of his songs as their national anthems".{{cite book|last1=Kumar|first1=Prasenjeet|title=Celebrating Quiet Artists: Stirring Stories of Introverted Artists Who the World Can't Forget|date=2016|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XHpTDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT41&dq=%22Tagore%22+%22anthem%22+%22lanka%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1mOnV_s7RAhXLI8AKHbxxDCcQ6AEIKjAD#v=onepage&q=%22lanka%22&f=false}}

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--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 21:05, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

• Note: There's 3 The Hindu sources saying Ananda Samarakoon wrote "Namo Namo Mata" inspired by Tagore to 1 saying Tagore wrote it. There's 2 Hindustan Times sources saying Ananda Samarakoon wrote "Nam Namo Mata" to 1 saying Tagore. Also there's 1 each from Daily News and Analysis and International Business Times stating both views at different times. Make of that what you will in judging their reliability. Also source 3 in the Tagore list says Samarakoon was inspired and wrote it and 19 incorrectly states that a Tagore song was translated into Tamil to be adopted as the Sri Lankan National Anthem. BlueLotusLK (talk) 22:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

::It's quite common for newspapers to publish different views. That does not mean that they are unreliable.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 21:06, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

{{v note}} {{ping|Obi2canibe}} {{ping|BlueLotusLK}} It seems as though two sets of reliable sources support two views of authorship. Are both editors willing to work towards crafting a rephrasing that highlights the ambiguity in authorship? If not, please be prepared to thoroughly demonstrate why the other party's sources are invalid for use. --JustBerry (talk) 22:38, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

::Absolutely. Prior to the current dispute the article did mention the ambiguity - please see the first paragraph of the "History" section of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri_Lanka_Matha&oldid=752992251 this version of the article]. This can of course be updated/rephrased to take into account the many new sources that BlueLotusLK and I have found recently.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 22:56, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Obi2canibe}} Thanks for the reply. {{ping|BlueLotusLK}} Looking at he first paragraph of the "History" section [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri_Lanka_Matha&oldid=752992251 here], which sentences do you disagree with or would like to add? --JustBerry (talk) 23:00, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

::::I'm not prepared to do that. There is no ambiguity about authorship. The Sri Lankan government and the curators of Tagore's library say Ananda Samarakoon wrote and composed the anthem as well as many well known scholars. The CIA World Factbook agrees. Their statement holds more weight than unknown journalists in India writing in the 2000s. This is giving undue weight to a view that is unsubstantiated. Further even the RS that support Obi's view say the Ananda viewpoint most of the time. BlueLotusLK (talk) 23:03, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

::::You can't claim authorship just by repeating something without any evidence. There's articles dealing exclusively with the anthem itself with great detail that explain how it came to be written. To give them the same weight as articles that claim something in passing without any explanation makes no sense. BlueLotusLK (talk) 23:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

::::See WP:Undue weight . Obi's sources don't even have one uniform idea of what happened. some say Tagore wrote only the music and not the lyrics and some say he only wrote the lyrics and not the music. Should we make small sections for every variant of these claims? First you mention the mainstream view held by most credible sources and then mention the fringe view in passing if at all. BlueLotusLK (talk) 23:13, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

:::::{{ec}} {{ping|BlueLotusLK}} Can you pin point the sources that explain the anthem's creation in great detail? I did notice [https://books.google.com/books?id=6QAgHA69_rwC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=ahtem&f=false this] one. {{ping|Obi2canibe}} How do the journalists you reference hold a similar weight as [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ce.html this source], for example? --JustBerry (talk) 23:14, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

::::::* Sunday Observer (January 30 2011): "It is on record that Namo Namo Matha - now Sri Lanka Matha - was composed while he was a teacher at Mahinda Colege, Galle. T.D. Jayasuriya then Chief Inspector of Schools for the Southern Province had suggested to Samarakoon to compose a song that would inspire a feeling of patriotism in the listeners. Namo Namo Matha was his response to Jayasuriya's suggestion. He called it a Jatika Geeya national song. Samarakoon has made a note in one of his books that he composed it in October 1940. This fact was stated in an article in the tabloid Nava Yugaya of Nov. 5, 1984. It was first sung in public before W. Dahanayaka, then Mayor of Galle. He was accompanied by Elain de Silva with whom he had earlier sung the duet Endada Menike. Two years later in 1942 he sang Namo Namo Matha in a 'Sarala Gee' programme on Radio Ceylon. This time he was accompanied by a pupil of his, Swarna de Silva who was then his partner in singing duets. The song first appeared in print in 1943 in a book of songs titled Kumudini with a foreword by T.D. Jayasuriya. Namo Namo Matha and some other songs that Samarakoon sang with Swarna de Silva were recorded by H.M.V. the gramaphone record company" {{cite web |url=http://archives.sundayobserver.lk/2011/01/30/jun06.asp|title= The Origin of our National Anthem |author= Sumana Saparamadu |date= |website=Sunday Observer |publisher=Associated Newspapers of Ceylon|access-date=6 December 2015|quote=}}

::::::* The Island (April 5 2016): "Namo Namo Matha...Some of us are fortunate enough to travel the world and every time we fly back and get the first glimpse of the wonderful ’Pearl of the Indian Ocean’ we are overwhelmed by its beauty. Unlike us, it is said that the first time Ananda Samarakoon flew back from India in October 1940, having done previous journeys by train, he put his thoughts to verse and ‘Namo Namo Matha’ was born. He spoke for all of us when he penned:"Sundara siribarini surendiethi Sobhamana Lanka Dhanya dhanayaneka mal palaturu piri Jayabhoomiya ramya" He was the music teacher in Mahinda College, Galle and got the children to sing it as a patriotic song, the cry for freedom being embedded in the line "Nava jeevana demine nevatha apa avadikaran Matha" meaning ‘Awake us again for a new dawn". He recorded it with Swarna de Silva in 1946 and it became an instantant hit.{{cite news|last1=Wijaywardhana|first1=Dr. Upul|title=The Forgotten Genius|url=http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=143246|work=The Island|date=5 April 2016}}

:::::: These two and also this source from a curator who has access to all of Tagore's writing (which would contain the original version of "Namo Namo Mata" in Bengali if it existed: * Livemint (May 6 2011): "Tagore made a roundabout entry, having inspired the creation of the Sri Lankan national anthem, Sri Lanka Matha. “Jana Gana Mana and the Sri Lankan national anthem are based on the same raga too,” explains Supriya Roy, who is curating anexhibition of photographs, text, poems and manuscripts titled Rabindranath Tagore: Pilgrimages to the East, which opens on Monday to coincide with Tagore’s 150th birth anniversary. A letter from Ananda Samarakoon, the composer of the Sri Lankan anthem, to Tagore is in the possession of the Tagore archives of Visva-Bharati University, Roy says In it, Samarakoon—a former student at Tagore’s Visva-Bharati University in Santiniketan who was moved by Rabindrasangeet to create the modern Geeta Sahitya music style in Sri Lanka—expresses gratitude to Tagore and hopes the Sri Lankan song “pleases” him.." {{cite news|title=The Asian Mind|url=http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/lxcmT1jzhdAtEnl4ql60oL/The-Asian-mind.html|work=Livemint|date=6 May 2011}}

:::::: This is a great deal of specific information and isn't very general and vague like most of Obi's sources. Only Haroon Habib from those sources comes up with a scenario on how Tagore came to write the poem for Ananda and it doesn't stand up to the reality of Tagore's situation at that time. Tagore was bedridden in 1937 and not at Santinketan to be interacting with students as suggested by Habib. BlueLotusLK (talk) 23:21, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

:::::::There are some academics within the my sources above e.g. Nira Wickramasinghe and Ashis Nandy. Wickramasinghe is particularly a good source as she is a professor of Modern South Asian Studies with good [https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=Nira+Wickramasinghe&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= Google scholar] presence and she's Sri Lankan meaning she can't be accused of being biased in favour of Indians. The date of her book (2003) means she can't be accused of copying Wikipedia or Indian news websites.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 23:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

:::::::: They are academics admittedly, but does a passing comment by them rise to the same level of reliability as the curator of Rabrindranath Tagore's possessions at Shantiniketan who is in possession of communications between Tagore and Samarakoon? The fact that the CIA World Factbook states that Ananda Samarakoon is the composer and writer of the National Anthem indicates that it is the widely accepted view and thus should be given precedence. If there was ambiguity on the author I would think the CIA would mention that. BlueLotusLK (talk) 01:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

:::::::::The "communication" only states that Samarakoon expresses gratitude to Tagore and hopes the Sri Lankan song “pleases” him. This can be interpreted in many ways. Is Samarakoon thanking Tagore for helping him write the anthem? Maybe Tagore wrote the music (as one of my sources states) and Samarakoon finished off the anthem by writing the lyrics. Or vice versa.

:::::::::The CIA World Factbook isn't as reliable as you think. [https://web.archive.org/web/20150316061044/https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ce.html This version] from March 2015 gives the Sri Lankan Tamil population to be 3.9% of Sri Lanka's total population and gives Sinhala as the sole official language. If you didn't know anything about Sri Lanka and considered the CIA World Factbook to be gospel, as you seem to be doing, you would assume those two facts to be correct. But they're not. In fact Sri Lankan Tamils constitute 11% of the population and Tamil has also been an official language since 1987. If the CIA can make mistakes like that, what's to say they haven't made a mistake about the creator of the anthem?

:::::::::I have no issue with giving precedence to the view that Samarakoon wrote the anthem. But my understanding was that you wanted the article to only give the view that Samarakoon wrote the anthem i.e. erase/dismiss any notion that Tagore wrote it. Correct if me if I am wrong.--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 14:31, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

:::::::::: The curator also states that Tagore inspired rather than wrote the National Anthem and doesn't share the full content of the letter which leads him to arrive at this conclusion. Are you now admitting that reliable sources can make mistakes as you have found an old version of the CIA World Factbook to have done so? What is to say your sources are not making a mistake as well? The version of the World Factbook I'm linking to has fixed its errors and is reliable unless proven otherwise. I want to state that the widely held view in Sri Lanka and the West is Ananda Samarakoon wrote and composed the National Anthem and only include him in the infobox. You can discuss the Tagore authorship theory after that as long as the critical view of the theory as presented by Kamal Wickremasinghe in the Island article is included as well as the fact the curator being unaware of Tagore writing it. BlueLotusLK (talk) 18:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

:::::::::: I would propose something like this: " Although the official and widely held view in Sri Lanka and the West is Ananda Samarakoon wrote and composed the National Anthem, several alternate views have been proposed in Indian media in the 2000s and by a few Sri Lankan academics. The predominant of which is the idea advanced by Haroon Habib in 2011 that Tagore wrote the original song of "Sri Lanka Matha" in 1938 and Samarakoon later translated it in 1940. This view has been shared by Junaidul Haque, J. P. Alexander, Kamanathi Wickramasinghe and Yoshitha Perea of the Daily Mirror, Aakanksha Singh of the Daily News and Analysis, Sushmita Sen of the International Business Times, a staff writer of the Hindustan Times, Khaled Ahmed of the Indian Express, a staff writer of India Today, Mamun Rashid of the Dhaka Tribune, Bipin Dani of the Pakistan Observer and Shivam Vij of the Huffington Post India. Another view is that Tagore only composed the music but didn't write the lyrics which has been shared by Nira Wickramasinghe, A. M. A. Muhith and Ashish Nandy. An Article in the Island by Doctor Kamal Wickramasinghe was critical of this view. Wickramasinghe directly challenged Haroon writing that "Haroon’s assertion that Sri Lanka’s anthem is based on a Bengali song written by Tagore, and wast translated into Sinhala by his pupil Ananda Samarakoon is unsubstantiated. A careful search of the complete works of Tagore in original Bengali - the 30 volume Rabindra Rachanavali - has failed to show any poem by Tagore that vaguely resembles the possible original words of Namo Namo Matha." Supriya Roy, A curator of Tagore's works at Visva Bharati University, similiarly stated that Tagore inspired the creation rather than wrote the Sri Lankan National Anthem in a Livemint article after looking at a letter that Samarakoon had sent to Tagore." BlueLotusLK (talk) 18:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

:::::::::::Whilst its good that you are now willing to include the view that Tagore wrote the anthem you are still trying to steer the reader into thinking that this view is somehow unworthy, violating WP:NPOV. You are suggesting that Haroon Habib was the first person to suggest that Tagore wrote the anthem. This is untrue. You are suggesting, without any evidence, that most of my sources have copied Habib. And you are giving too much credence to Kamal Wickramasinghe who is not an expert on this subject and is known Sri Lankan nationalist.

:::::::::::It's not only Indian media who are saying that Tagore wrote the anthem, Sri Lankan media also do. It's not only Sri Lankan academics who are saying that Tagore wrote the anthem, Indian academics also do. From what I can see there is only one western source, the CIA. One source cannot speak for the entire western world, particularly when I have shown it is capable of being factually incorrect.

:::::::::::I would suggest a much shorter paragraph, something like: "There are differing accounts as to the origin of the Sri Lanka Matha. The most widely held view is that Sri Lankan composer Ananda Samarakoon wrote the music and lyrics to the song inspired/influenced by Tagore. A minority suggest that Bengali poet Rabindranath Tagore wrote the anthem in full. Some have suggested that Tagore wrote the music whilst Samarakoon wrote the lyrics.".--obi2canibe^{talk contr} 21:23, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

::::::::::::: That's fine. Let's go with that. I would like the infobox to just say Ananda as that's the majority view. BlueLotusLK (talk) 01:01, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

::::::::::::::That's fine. Thank you for your co-operation. Bit busy now but when I have time I will add the above text with references at beginning of History section. Might have to tweak existing paras so that the narrative flows better. You are welcome to do this if you have time. Thanks to {{Ping|JustBerry|prefix=|p=}} for mediating.--Obi2canibe (talk) 20:34, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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{{drn filing editor|104.172.33.82|10:58, 26 January 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|reason=Premature. Like all other moderated content dispute resolution venues at Wikipedia, DRN requires extensive recent talk page discussion before seeking assistance. If other editor will not discuss, consider the recommendations which are made here. — TransporterMan (TALK) 22:23, 26 January 2017 (UTC)}}

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:Reformed Political_Party#Theocracy_should_be_removed}}

Users involved

• {{User|Autospark}}

Dispute overview

Some want to say that the Reformed Political Party (SGP) advocates "theocracy" which is defined as "a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission" by Webster's dictionary. No sources are given that are neutral and all sources cited refer to attack pieces that violate WP:Core content policies and Wikipedia:Neutrality_of_sources.

Also, when I and another editor tried to remove it, I was asked to prove a negative by citing sources that show the SGP does NOT want a theocracy Argument from Ignorance. There is no reliable source that SGP wants a theocracy WP: V and putting it on the article is misinformation and a smear against the SGP. -Autospark

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Talk page and personal messages.

How do you think we can help?

Protect the edit.

{{V note}}: I Will take this one on when statsments are made. TheMagikCow (talk) 16:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

{{V note}}: Please ensure that you have notified all parties involved with this case by placing {{subst:Template:DRN-notice}} on their talk pages. TheMagikCow (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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{{drn filing editor|Chaabano|05:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|General close. There doesn't appear to be interest in moderated discussion. Any further discussion can be at the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2017 (UTC)}}

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:Al-Ahbash#Qibla}}

Users involved

• {{User|Chaabano}}
• {{User|McKhan}}
• {{User|Barelvi}}
• {{User|MezzoMezzo}}

Dispute overview

Please note that the Author had wrote "Qiblah" page dispute to confuse us about the real page issue [Al-Ahbash] page where I found contradicting information listed by authors who share or came from the same background. I tried editing by removing the wrong information but the authors put them back. Then I tried one to two lines comments under each subject then i was accused of warring. So I started the talk but other authors were not interested. One major issue is about a person name [Tariq Ramadan] who has for many is the head of what they call themselves Muslim Brotherhood or Hizb Al-Ekhwan. He has conflicts with a lot of groups, so other authors decided to use his comments about the group [Al-Ahbash] . Tariq Ramadan comments about the Al-Ahbash groups is irrelevant because he is in conflict with the group, and since his Brotherhood groups will use all kind of methods deadly and not deadly against regime's changes where Al-Ahbash is the opposite they use non-violent methods and will not be involved in regime's changes. So I have requested removal of his comments as bios and the authors are bios too.

• Second about Qiblah issue, I have traveled to North America from West to east driving 6000 miles round trip. I have stopped at many major cities where I examined Qibla directions at random mosques, I have seen some Mosques directions to Muslim preyers are North East and some Are East-South East. I have talked to physics, engineering, Mathematicians, and other professors at MIT LAB Artificial intelligence San Francisco State University and Stanford university. We concluded after careful studies that Qiblah in North America for Muslim's preyers toward Meccas in Saudi Arabia is South East South. My reasoning is that direction as explain by Merriam Dictionary "something is pointing or facing". Since the earth is not flat. the direction will cross the earth to reach the straight line between North America and Mecca In Saudi Arabia. I just would want to add my findings.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I tried the Talk but did not work. Please examine Al-Ahbash page which is the real issue page, unfortunately, the author or authors have written "Qiblah" page for more confusion. The page that I found contradicting information and tried to editing it is called [Al-Ahbash] article.

How do you think we can help?

By examining my point of view vs the other authors point of views which are not willing to change. There are wars in the Middle East, There are a lot of groups and many are using Islam in wrong way to promote violence and regime's changes. Since I am not going into politics, I just would want to show readers that Tariq Ramadan comments about non violence groups which are know to defend themselves is irrelevant especially from a person who is the head of an organization that promotes violence.

I absolutely reject Chabaano's claim that attempts to mediate the dispute have already been tried on the talk page in question. He replied only a few times; McKhan replied only a few times; I literally only posted a single comment. Discussion there is far from over and there's no indication at all that the topics under discussion require a case at DRN. This appears to be a mistaken understanding of the DR policy by a new user. A real discussion needs to be attempted, in good faith, before it's declared fruitless. MezzoMezzo (talk) 18:11, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

• {{verified}} that the involved parties have been notified on their talk page. Note to {{u|Chaabano}}: Please make sure you list involved parties in the case and notify them on their respective talk pages with the following template: {{subst:drn-notice}} (refer to Template:drn-notice for documentation) in the future. I have done it for you this time. --JustBerry (talk) 05:34, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
• {{v note}} Additional sections have been inserted for involved editors to provide their summaries of the dispute. {{ping|McKhan}} {{ping|Barelvi}} {{ping|MezzoMezzo}} Inviting involved parties to provide said summaries. --JustBerry (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
• {{v note}} Other parties seem unwilling or unavailable to participate. Moderated discussion requires the active involvement of more than one editor. Heading towards a close. --JustBerry (talk) 05:15, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
• Volunteer note - If two or more parties express an interest in moderated discussion in 24 hours, this case will be opened for moderated discussion. Otherwise it will be closed. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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{{drn filing editor|Politics555|08:56, 29 January 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|Closed in another forum. The filing party went to the edit-warring noticeboard and was blocked by boomerang for 24 hours. If any of the other editors want to discuss here, there may file a new case here. Otherwise resume discussion at the article talk page (and the filing party may resume discussion there when coming off block). Robert McClenon (talk) 04:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)}}

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:John Fleming_(American_politician)}}

Users involved

• {{User|Politics555}}
• {{User|Neutrality}}
• {{User|Gamaliel}}
• {{User|NorthBySouthBaranof}}

Dispute overview

In this article I have chosen to add important information that was left out of a discussion on Rep. John Fleming's page regarding an incident in 2012. I have not removed any of the previous content. But, the existing content was not from a NPOV. Important legal and legislative facts were totally missing. I added that important content and it was well-resourced. Two editors working together, or one and his sock puppet account it appears, reverted every word of my edit, together 4 times. He/they have brought in friends to attack me as the violator because I re-reverted back to my added content. I would appreciate resolution to this dispute. I am not asking to remove his/their content, only allow my factual content that provides a truthful, honest, balanced and neutral perspective of Fleming's statements and actions based on the facts at the time.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I posted on the a resolution board that he/they have violated the 3RR rule and properly noticed him/them. I believe it to be one editor using two accounts because when I am emailed with their posts, oth editors' notices take me to Neutrality's talk page. At the very least, if it is two, they are working in concert. One even admitted that he "knows" the other.

How do you think we can help?

I would like to have the important additional information to be included. I would be happy to get a number of opinions, but I think the article reflects only one perspective by eliminating essential facts in the discussion. Ultimately, it is crafted to make Rep. Fleming to appear to be an anti-gay bigot. However, his actions were based on the facts in existence at the time and should properly reflect that.

• Volunteer note - There has been discussion on the article talk page. I have added the name of another editor who also took part in the discussion. The filing party has not notified the other editors of this filing and should do so. Do not make conduct allegations at this noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

:*Volunteer note - Since the filing user has been blocked for 24h, I have notified the other users included in this dispute so that they may add their opinion to help reach a consensus. Please note, that I am not moderating this dispute, Robert is. Have a good day, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ItsPugle ItsPugle] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_talkr:ItsPugle Talk]) 01:25, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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{{drn filing editor|RudiLefkowitz|12:41, 29 January 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|Closed as not likely to be a productive topic for moderated discussion. Either the category should be added, or it should not be added. The main function of this noticeboard is compromise, and compromise isn't really in order here. A decision is in order. One editor, the filing party, wants to add the category; other editors disagree. A Request for Comments is the most reasonable next step. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)}}

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:Milo Yiannopoulos#Adding_Category:British_people_of_Jewish_descent.2C_not_Category:British_Jews}}

Users involved

• {{User|RudiLefkowitz}}
• {{User|Bradv}}

Dispute overview

I am claiming that a WP category relating to a persons descent can be added without the need of some loosely defined self-identification criteria

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Neutral point of view!

How do you think we can help?

Neutral point of view!

• {{V note}} - Please inform all users on their talk pages before proceeding. TheMagikCow (talk) 15:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
• Volunteer note - Consensus has been reached on the article talk page not to identify the subject as Jewish. If the filing party wants to identify the subject as of Jewish descent, further discussion on the article talk page is in order. If the filing party wishes to clarify the consensus, they could use a Request for Comments for the purpose. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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{{drn filing editor|Ktrimi991|12:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|Closed. This seems to be a yes/no type of question about the name and alternate names that does not lend itself to moderated discussion but can be resolved by a Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)}}

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:Leposavi%C4%87#.22Albanik.22}}

Users involved

• {{User|Ktrimi991}}
• {{User|Zoupan}}

Dispute overview

The discussion is held if should the alternative name of Leposavic (which is Albanik) be mentioned in the article or not. The alternative Albanian and Serbian name of the settlements are mentioned in the lead in every single article about a city or a municipality in Kosovo. This is done to avoid any possible conflict and because both names are used in offical documents. Albanik is the name used by Kosovo government in offical documents.{{cite web|url=http://www.kuvendikosoves.org/common/docs/Strategjia_Minerare_e_R._Kosoves_2012_-_225__Ang.pdf|title=MINING STRATEGY OF THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO 2012 – 2025 |author=MINISTRY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT|website=http://mzhe-ks.net/en|page=21|quote=The most important lead and zinc resources and appearances are located in the so called “Metallogenic Trepça strip”, which lies in the northeastern part of Republic of Kosovo, ranging from Albanik (Leposavic) to Gllame (Gjilan). The strip length is over 80km, whereas its average width is around 30km. }} Marc Sommers and Peter Buckland elaborate on Albanik.{{cite book|author1=Marc Sommers|author2=Peter Buckland|author3=International Institute for Educational Planning|title=Parallel worlds: rebuilding the education system in Kosovo|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=QJklAQAAIAAJ|year=2004|publisher=International Institute for Educational Planning|page=19}} The lead should include both names used in offical documents.

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Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I have discussed on the talk page.

How do you think we can help?

The dispute can be solved by adding the alternative name Albanik in the lead.

I will repeat what has already been said. "Albanik" is purely a provocation, a failed attempt to erase traces of Serbian culture by Albanianizing the name of a Serb-majority settlement (the municipality is inhabited by 96% Serbs according to OSCE). The Albanological Institute suggested the name for Republic of Kosovo use (as was done with Srbica/Skenderaj, Uroševac/Ferizaj), but it was not adopted (Albanian-language name/transliteration is still Leposaviq). 'Albanik' has only found itself in a paper on mining economy and "some maps". {{u|Ktrimi991}} falsely concludes that {{tq|Albanik is the name used by Kosovo government in offical documents}}; nothing points at this. The Republic of Kosovo commonly uses the dual designations, as in 'Leposavić/Leposaviq', which is also followed by UNMIK, NATO, EULEX, UNDP, UNHCR, OSCE, ECMI, etc.--Zoupan 21:38, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

;Elaboration on "Albanik" matter

• {{cite book|author1=Marc Sommers|author2=Peter Buckland|author3=International Institute for Educational Planning|title=Parallel worlds: rebuilding the education system in Kosovo|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=QJklAQAAIAAJ|year=2004|publisher=International Institute for Educational Planning|quote=On some maps, for example, the town of Leposavic (Serbian) is listed not as Leposaviq, the Albanian equivalent, but as ' Albanik' , which translates as 'Albanian' . Located in the far north of Kosovo and close to Serbian borders on three sides, Leposavic / Leposaviq / Albanik has historically been an area of Serbian settlement. The politics surrounding 'Albanik' is only one example of the multitude of ways that conflict between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo continues after the war has passed.}}
• {{cite book|author=Saskia Drude|title=Hundert Wochen Kosovo: Alltag in einem unfertigen Land|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Vo25s3ZLewUC&pg=PA99|year=2008|publisher=Karin Fischer Verlag|isbn=978-3-89514-836-1|pages=99–|quote=Für Leposavić/Leposaviç, mitten im serbischen Siedlungsgebiet gelegen, verfügte das Albanologische Institut den Namen Albanik, das ist schon eine besondere Provokation! [...is an exceptional provocation!]}}
• {{cite book|title=Grand Hotel Kosovo: Schlaglichter einer europäischen Staatsbildung|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=84S_lxDu-aAC&pg=PA69|year=2011|publisher=LIT Verlag Münster|isbn=978-3-643-11425-9|pages=69–|quote=Örtchen Leposavić in Albanik umzutaufen, konnte bisher angesichts. mangelnder Repräsentanz der Albaner vor Ort bisher nur in den. Werken nationalistischer Kartographen Gestalt annehmen. [... only used in works by nationalist cartographers]}}

Straightforward.--Zoupan 21:38, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

;Official Republic of Kosovo use

• {{cite web|title=Dragiša Krstović|work=List of the Deputies of the Kosovo Assembly|publisher=Republic of Kosovo Assembly|url=http://www.kuvendikosoves.org/?cid=2.1,102,477|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=Monitoring and Evaluation of Language Rights in Kosovo|date=March 2015|publisher=Republic of Kosovo|url=http://www.komisioneri-ks.org/repository/docs/Anglisht_Finale_160315.pdf|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=Leposavić/Leposaviq|work=Central Election Commission|publisher=Republic of Kosovo|url=http://www.kqz-ks.org/uploads/documents/12_leposavic-leposaviq_kmannxerwv.pdf|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}

Clear {{tq|name used by Kosovo government in offical documents}}.--Zoupan 21:38, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

• Volunteer note - There has been discussion at the article talk page. The filing party has notified the other editor. Editors should be aware that ArbCom discretionary sanctions are available for disruptive editing with regard to the Balkans, but that discussion here is a way to resolve disputes reasonably. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:31, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
• Ktrimi991's response - Yes, Albanik is the official name used by Kosovo government in official documents. Zoupan is now saying that Leposaviq is an alternative name. My question here is: Why did Zoupan deleted Leposaviq from the article considering it a provocation?

There are several official documents of the government of Kosovo which use “Albanik”.

Government official documents:

• {{cite web|url=http://www.kuvendikosoves.org/common/docs/Strategjia_Minerare_e_R._Kosoves_2012_-_225__Ang.pdf|title=MINING STRATEGY OF THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO 2012 – 2025 |author=MINISTRY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT|website=http://mzhe-ks.net/en|page=21|quote=The most important lead and zinc resources and appearances are located in the so called “Metallogenic Trepça strip”, which lies in the northeastern part of Republic of Kosovo, ranging from Albanik (Leposavic) to Gllame (Gjilan). The strip length is over 80km, whereas its average width is around 30km.}} ---- Ministry of Economic Development and the Kosovo Parliament

• {{cite web|url= http://www.ammk-rks.net/repository/docs/1StateofNature.pdf |author=MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND SPATIAL PLANNING|title=State of nature report }} --------- Ministry of Environment and Spatial planning. Page 15, there are used both Albanik and Leposaviq.

Media:

• {{cite web|url=http://www.kosovapress.com/archive/?cid=2,26,66333|title=Serbs of north prevented the visit of high police officials in Albanik|quote=Serbs of Albanik (Leposavic) have prevented the visit of Director General of the Kosova Police Sheremet Ahmeti and the leaders of the police component of EULEX Rainer Kuehn in this town, blocking access of Albanik.}} ---- KosovaPress

• {{cite web|url=http://www.rtklive.org/explore-kosovo-the-most-attracted-places-on-the-country/|title=Explore Kosovo, the most attracted places in the country!|quote=Kosovo Polje, Albanik, Lipjane,}}

Scholarship:

• {{cite web|url=http://www.ceid.edu.ar/biblioteca/2010/ponencia_tamara_sordia_arias_rusia_y_el_conflicto_de_kosovo_3.pdf|title=Rusia ey el conflicto de Kosovo|page=7|quote=En especial, para los serbios de Kosovo que están concentrados principalmente al norte del nuevo Estado (en los municipios de Albanik, Zubin Potok, Zvecan y Mitrovica)}} ---- Page 7
• {{ cite book|author1=Marc Sommers|author2=Peter Buckland|author3=International Institute for Educational Planning|title=Parallel worlds: rebuilding the education system in Kosovo|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=QJklAQAAIAAJ|year=2004|publisher=International Institute for Educational Planning|page=19|quote=Albanik}}

Public services:

• {{cite web|url=http://www.ufp-ks.com/Eng/Agjensite_Mitrovice.html|title=Mitrovicë|quote=F.sh. Jarinje /PKK Kosovë - SMZ/ 43500 Albanik (Leposavic)}} --- Both Albanik and Leposavic

The sources presented by Zoupan mention and elaborate on Albanik. I can present additional sources too.

Zoupan claims that Albanik is “purely a provocation, a failed attempt to erase traces of Serbian culture by Albanianizing the name of a Serb-majority settlement (the municipality is inhabited by 96% Serbs according to OSCE)”. Bosniaks and Croats say the same thing about Republiks Srpska. If we follow the same logic then the Republika Srpska article should be deleted. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

:Are you seriously insisting on the inclusion? How in the earth does this and Republika Srpska have anything in common? Your logic is terrible.--Zoupan 22:42, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

• {{cite web|title=UNMIK use|publisher=UNMIK|url=http://unmik.unmissions.org/unmik-chief-visited-two-kosovo-municipalities|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=OSCE use|publisher=OSCE|url=http://www.osce.org/kosovo/13120|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=KFOR/NATO use|publisher=KFOR/NATO|url=https://jfcnaples.nato.int/kfor/media-center/archive/news/2016/kfor-cimic-activities-in-leposavicleposaviq|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=UNDP use|publisher=UNDP|url=http://www.ks.undp.org/content/dam/kosovo/docs/KDRRI/ProDoc_KDRRI_Act.4.pdf?download|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=EULEX use|publisher=EULEX|url=http://www.eulex-kosovo.eu/en/pressreleases/0419.php|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=EUCOM use|publisher=EUCOM|url=http://www.eucom.mil/media-library/article/19604/polish-kfor-soldiers-take-over-at-camp-nothing-hill|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=ECMI use|publisher=ECMI|url=http://www.ecmikosovo.org/uploads/Serbcommunity1.pdf|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=CoE use|publisher=CoE|url=http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/kosovo/2016-23-inf-eng-executive-summary.pdf|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=UNSC use|publisher=UNSC|url=http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/s_2013_254.pdf|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}
• {{cite web|title=EEAS use|publisher=EEAS|url=http://eeas.europa.eu/archives/delegations/kosovo/documents/page_content/110125_report_eu_eem_kosovo_2010_en.pdf|quote=Leposavić/Leposaviq}}

So, the Republic of Kosovo and all major international organizations uses the neutral Leposavić/Leposaviq. "Albanik" falls under WP:UNDUE; we should not use a newly-composed provocative nationalist (anti-Serbian) name found in extremely small instances. There is no logic in that. The Western authors did explain the nature of this "alternative" name – it is Albanian nationalist, meant to provoke. Do I need to repeat that it is not in official use?--Zoupan 22:42, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

• Volunteer note - Is this an issue where compromise is possible, or is this simply a yes/no question about alternate names? If this is a yes/no question about alternate names, this noticeboard is not the right place, and a Request for Comments is in order. There is a widespread belief that moderators here can arbitrate; they cannot; they can only mediate. If discussion here is to continue, it should be concise. The above post is lengthy. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:14, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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{{drn filing editor|72.141.9.158|00:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|Closed. The filing party appears to want to make edits that other editors disagree with. They may use a Request for Comments if they want to persuade the community. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)}}

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|User talk:72.141.9.158}}

Users involved

• {{User|Beyond My Ken}}
• {{User|Theroadislong}}
• {{User|Bbb23}}
• {{User|MarnetteD}}
• {{User|White Arabian Filly}}

Dispute overview

My edits at swing state and a user's talk page have been consistently reverted, for no reason. Many users deleted my edit at the first page with no relevant edit summaries, and many different users reverted my edits at the latter. No administrator has yet replied to my request. As none of the users involved have replied on my talk page, or theirs, where necessary, I have been unable to contact them further over the last few days. I would like to add my comments and edits back, but it keeps getting reverted and my attempts to contact them have been in vain. Please see my talk page for the actual discussion and further details.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Messaging them on their talk page, on my talk page, alerting an administrator (although that was only today), making my intentions clear in further edits. However, they have not responded but continue to revert my edits.

How do you think we can help?

Notify the editors involved and add my information back in, as long as they have no valid and legitimate objections. If that's the case, I would be happy to discuss it with them, but only if they will actually engage with me.

I will not be participating. All problems stem from the IPs unwillingness to follow policy, as I've painstakingly pointed out to him. IP has been told to discuss content dispute on the article's talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

User is edit warring and editing without consensus to remove a section which is properly sourced, because they don't like it. Theroadislong (talk) 08:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

{{V note}} Involved users have been notified on talk pages. I can't moderate this case because I have things going on in real life, but I'll be happy to provide another opinion if one is needed. MereTechnicality (talk) 00:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• Volunteer Note - The filing party appears to be editing against consensus. The purpose of this noticeboard is not to provide another forum for continuing to argue against consensus. If any of the other editors want moderated discussion, we will have moderated discussion. Otherwise the filing party is advised that a Request for Comments can be used to obtain a larger consensus. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:27, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
• Volunteer Note - There doesn't appear to be any interest in moderated discussion. If there is any interest, please so indicate. The filing party is advised that moderated discussion against consensus isn't useful. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:01, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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{{drn filing editor|Calexit|15:33, 1 February 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|The editors are commenting on each other (contributors) rather than on content. I am closing this case without prejudice, in that the editors can refile and start over after a few more days of talk page discussion if they want only to discuss neutral point-of-view content. This is a content dispute resolution forum and comments about specific editors (such as to say that an editor is lying) are out of place. Complaints about editor conduct should be taken to WP:ANI, or, since this is an area subject to discretionary sanctions, to Arbitration Enforcement. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)}}

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:American Legislative_Exchange_Council#Section_.22Convening_the_first_U.S._state_constitutional_convention.22}}

Users involved

• {{User|Calexit}}
• {{User|Chris troutman}}
• {{User|DrFleischman}}

Dispute overview

- Editors on the page above have reverted my submission, I made corrections needed and still got reverted

- Either my newness on WP, personal behavior or quoting a policy without providing any relevance are used as a case for reversion

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I honestly tried to respond to all their "objective criticism of the actual content submitted" as much as possible but they continuously keep diverting the discussion towards other issues.

How do you think we can help?

Let me be fully upfront and warn you that, sadly, the topic at hand is extremely political and divisive on all sides and I'd hate for WP to be yet another political front.

A person with expertise on the topic at hand and who is known for objectivity is what I'd settle for any day. WP and we all lose even if the third party just supports my content because of their political ideologies.

I also wanted help in seeing if the content submitted should be separated into its own page. Thank you.

I think this DRN referral is premature. I am not opposed to including material along the lines that {{u|Calexit}} has proposed, but it needs to be better sourced and the content needs to be adjusted to reflect those better sources. I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&diff=763033010&oldid=763029898 started explaining this] at article talk but Chris and I were met with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&diff=763044640&oldid=763040130 personal attacks, sarcasm], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&diff=763134850&oldid=763045336 edit warring]. Calexit is brand new and has potential to become a productive contributor, if they are open to learning our policies and guidelines (both content and conduct). --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• Volunteer note - There has been discussion on the article talk page. The filing party has notified the other editors. The discussion on the article talk page has been minimal. I would suggest that the editors should try to discuss on the article talk page a little longer. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

The word "calexit" refers to a hope by some that California will secede from the Union. This is in keeping with what the American Legislative Exchange Council's goal of increased states rights as Mark Levin described in his book, which is why I become concerned about a new editor called "Calexit" now pushing this content onto the article. The content itself is UNDUE because it focuses too narrowly on a few very RECENTISM-driven media reports with heavy use of external links to draw attention to conventionofstates.com. Calexit (the editor) is making arguments more based on cognitive biases than our guidelines and policies. This appearance at DRN could be interpreted as WP:FORUMSHOPPING because they don't like the pushback they've received at the talk page. While I understand admins don't want to wade into a content issue I think a BOOMERANG is in order. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• Everyone has biases, aka, no one lives in a vacuum. I'll be more than happy to openly share mine in the matter at hand (Just ask next time):
• I am a strong proponent of California seceding from the Union though I have no affiliation with any organization in that regard until now (I guess I'm still WP:FORUMSHOPPING)
• As a human, I Despise [https://www.thenation.com/article/alec-exposed-koch-connection/ ALEC and almost everything the Koch brothers stands for]. Zero apologies here. To expose how they want to use things for their benefits is my pleasure
• I made it very clear what I think Chris Troutman leanings are on my talk page
• "The content itself is UNDUE because it focuses too narrowly on a few very RECENTISM-driven media reports". Finally I got from you what it means in our case. I honestly never knew that WP doesn't publish anything that is recent
• "heavy use of external links to draw attention to conventionofstates.com" I put direct links to everything that I could find direct links to and this is the one you choose! okay
• Chris, you wouldn't have used the term cognitive bias like that if you truly knew its extent. Let me give you an analogy that might help you in this life: Cognitive biases are like bacteria; they are invasive in everything that is human. And just like bacteria, not all of them are good, not all of them are bad
• WP:FORUMSHOPPING!! WP:BOOMERANG!!!! You guys at WP are really fun
• Weirdly, my preference was, and still is, to have this content on its own page. Adding it to ALEC page was done only because I couldn't find a single thing related to this important topic on WP except for that page keep popping up as the most relevant for "convention of states" and others. I wrongly thought the way to go was to add it as a small part there that's short and event-based, then break it into another page as I gather more info

I can go on but, Robert, I think it's far more productive imho if you can either guide me into the process of creating a new page for this content since its scope goes far beyond the page's topic, or to where the EXIT sign is. Thanks WP! Calexit (talk) 19:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

This seems to be getting off to an unpleasant start. I am troubled by the comments of both User:Chris troutman and User:Calexit. First, Chris Troutman thinks that a boomerang may be in order. What is meant by that? The boomerang essay has to do with filings at conduct forums such as WP:ANI, where a disruptive editor who files a complaint may be blocked or otherwise sanctioned. What is Chris Troutman proposing? This is not a conduct forum, and I don't see a conduct issue. Second, User:Calexit seems to be treating this proceeding as a joke. If it is a joke, it is because it isn't being taken seriously. Also, Calexit refers to creating a new page for new content, but appears to be expressing strong opinions. Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view and presents opinions as they are seen by reliable sources. What exactly is Calexit asking? Do the editors want to engage in moderated discussion of how to improve content? If so, this is the right place. If not, this thread can be closed. Will the two editors please clarify what they want? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

:"Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view and presents opinions as they are seen by reliable sources"

::To ask of anyone to pretend neutrality in the face of the unjust is a nicer name for immorality. What WP asked of us here is fair though; be faithful messangers of opinions expressed by reliable sources and utilize the community to ensure doing so. No where there do I see Thou shalt not have strong opinions. Keep them away from WP main content, yes.

:"Do the editors want to engage in moderated discussion of how to improve content?"

::Yes and to prove it I shall proceed. To address the last objection raised, and looking at how old ALEC is, I must say that, at least according to the WP:RECENT decree, it's a reasonable objection. I therefore accept that this content should either be moved somewhere else more appropriate or dropped entirely.

::Btw, Chris, I'm pretty open to being prosecuted in any court or banning forum such as WP:ANI or else as you see fit. If WP isn't open to persons like myself, I'll be more than happy to actively aid you in any way possible to go through the banning procedures to ensure my likes are promptly banned. Let me know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calexit (talk • contribs) 15:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Discussion here is voluntary. I have never said this before, but it also requires that the parties take it seriously. Voluntary discussion requires the participation of two or more parties. I haven't heard whether either of the other two parties besides Calexit wants to take part in moderated discussion. User:Calexit appears to be saying above that they want moderated discussion and to prove it they will proceed. It doesn't work like that. Slow down, please, User:Calexit. Does anyone else want moderated discussion? Will User:Chris troutman please explain their boomerang comment? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:08, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Again, just to confirm, I'm very open to a moderated discussion. Calexit (talk) 05:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Calexit already admits to pushing a POV. {{tq|" I Despise ALEC and almost everything the Koch brothers stands for. Zero apologies here. To expose how they want to use things for their benefits is my pleasure."}} Why are we tolerating a POV pusher here, at all? In any case, I'll address the content, which violates WP:NPOV. Calexit writes {{tq|"At ALEC’s 2016 annual meeting in July, the Convention of States was made a top priority."}} and cites Conventionofstates.com. That's not a reliable source and certainly not independent. {{tq|"ALEC has adopted model rules for an Article V convention...}} That sentence is fine. {{tq|'The “State Legislators Article V Caucus” of the Balanced Budget Amendment Task Force (BBATF) is dominated by ALEC legislators, and pro-convention advocacy groups including BBATF and Convention of States are part of ALEC.'}} There's no cited source and that's a very partisan claim. The content returns to "Convention of states" and I don't see why. The rest of that 2nd paragraph is fine. The third paragraphs is untenable. While true Lisa Nelson write the article and former Clinton-staffer wrote a Facebook post, the point of the paragraph is to portray the former as crazies while spouting the partisan propaganda of the latter. Calexit lied when they claim above they {{tq|"honestly tried to respond"}} because as the talk page indicates, there wasn't much discussion. DrFleischman was against using partisan sources and Calexit makes an WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument. DrFleischman replied in the negative and Calexit ran to this forum knowing they needed a fellow traveler to push their preferred version through. Calexit would love to write an entire article of screed but is stuck trying to get some edits applied to the article about ALEC. I, for one, do not enjoy wasting my time justifying my edits in this manner. Per WP:CONSENSUS the fact that more editors disagree with the content than agree with it is enough. Wikipedia would rather I spend my time with countervandalism and reviewing Good article nominees but instead I have to provide words to a refusal to allow this article to be hijacked by an admitted partisan with an agenda. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

First, I'd like to share the page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council&diff=prev&oldid=763136823 I'm looking at in terms of this discussion] as it is the last reversion made by CT and I'm sure he's not just arrogantly and ignorantly reverting content without actually reading it. Let's go through the claims:

Why are we tolerating a POV pusher here, at all?

"At ALEC’s 2016 annual meeting in July, the Convention of States was made a top priority." and cites Conventionofstates.com. That's not a reliable source and certainly not independent.

'The “State Legislators Article V Caucus” of the Balanced Budget Amendment Task Force (BBATF) is dominated by ALEC legislators, and pro-convention advocacy groups including BBATF and Convention of States are part of ALEC.' There's no cited source and that's a very partisan claim. The content returns to "Convention of states" and I don't see why.

The third paragraphs is untenable. While true Lisa Nelson write the article and former Clinton-staffer wrote a Facebook post, the point of the paragraph is to portray the former as crazies while spouting the partisan propaganda of the latter.

Calexit lied when they claim above they "honestly tried to respond" because as the talk page indicates, there wasn't much discussion. DrFleischman was against using partisan sources and Calexit makes an WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument. DrFleischman replied in the negative and Calexit ran to this forum knowing they needed a fellow traveler to push their preferred version through.

You're not going to obtain consensus for your edits that way. Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies and guidelines and lay off the personal attacks and sarcasm please. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 

Nowhere do I see a reply in the negative or a quotation of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS

Calexit would love to write an entire article of screed but is stuck trying to get some edits applied to the article about ALEC. I, for one, do not enjoy wasting my time justifying my edits in this manner. Per WP:CONSENSUS the fact that more editors disagree with the content than agree with it is enough. Wikipedia would rather I spend my time with countervandalism and reviewing Good article nominees but instead I have to provide words to a refusal to allow this article to be hijacked by an admitted partisan with an agenda.

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{{DR case status|closed}}

{{drn filing editor|Nitish.massey|22:31, 4 February 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|Closed. There are several problems with this filing, including a generally hostile tone. The most serious problem is implied legal threats. The filing party is cautioned that legal threats on Wikipedia will result in an indefinite block. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC)}}

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:List of_Indian_Christians}}

Users involved

• {{User|Sitush}}

Dispute overview

the user Sitush has been reported as "Wikipedians who are not Wikipedians" in past and he/she has attempted to deleted his/her recent view history after I confronted him/her. the said user has been actively involved in editing pages involving caste and religion in India, I have by painstaking research contributed names of Indian origin Christians in the"list of Indian christians" but time and again the said contributions have been deleted by Sitush, Sitush activities on Wikipedia shows that he has been sedulously involved in editing/vandalizing the constitutions of genuine wiki users especially in matters involving caste and religion in India on a regular basis, noticing his activities and vandalization I have requested Sitush against persisting in these activities, the editions done by me are genuine names of Christians like vijay hazare , chandu borde ,amrit kaur and other prominent names who have their independent pages with reference/citations that they are Indian Christians however Sitush whose past activities are highly doubtful has time and again vandalized my contributions despite me explaining the reasons in support on the page talk forum. these kind of activities are very common in India where politicians hire such handlers to scuttle truth and repaint history which is a serious concern and against the very spirit of wikipedia.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

i have sufficiently talked with sitush and given him sufficient notice of cease and desist

How do you think we can help?

vandalism and attack on a tiny Minorities like Christians in India by distorting historical facts is a very common phenomenon, facts like Indian Christian contribution in freedom struggle and their participation in other fields on international neutral forums like Wikipedia is thus very essential. A sedulous campaign is going on by politicians with the help of such social media handlers to scuttle this truth and fact from being highlighted. Hence your intervention

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{{DR case status|resolved}}

{{drn filing editor|Saqib|08:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)}}

{{DRN archive top|reason=This dispute has been resolved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muttahida_Quami_Movement_Pakistan on the page talk page]. Have a good day, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ItsPugle ItsPugle] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_talkr:ItsPugle Talk]) 03:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)}}

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Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• {{pagelinks|Talk:Muttahida Quami Movement Pakistan}}

Users involved

• {{User|Saqib}}
• {{User|Rameezraja001}}

Dispute overview

Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) divided into two factions late 2016 when one its senior member Farooq Sattar disassociated the party from MQM founder and chief Altaf Hussain.

Media [http://www.dawn.com/news/1279656 reports says] that "MQM is registered with the Election Commission of Pakistan in the name of Dr Farooq Sattar" as [http://ecp.gov.pk/P1.pdf since 2002] which make him leader of MQM. Farooq Sattar [http://www.dawn.com/news/1279446 also stated] "MQM is Pakistan. The MQM is registered in Pakistan and recognises the laws and Constitution of Pakistan."

But on the other hand, Altaf Hussain claim he's the leader of MQM and [http://www.dawn.com/news/1287546 dismissed Faroor Sattar from the party membership]. Media label Altaf Hussain as the leader of MQM’s London-based leader while Farooq Sattar as the leader of MQM Pakistan.

Now the question is do we really need a separate page Muttahida Quami Movement Pakistan?

I tried to resolve the issue on MQM Pakistan talk page but did not work.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

Talk:Muttahida Quami Movement Pakistan

How do you think we can help?

Not sure.

MQM has been divided into two factions. MQM's founder Altaf Hussain (Pakistani politician)'s faction and the dissident faction which identifies its leader as Farooq Sattar (parliamentary leader of MQM) under the name MQM-Pakistan who was a deputy convener of the original MQM. Altaf Hussain (Pakistani politician) being the founder and leader has dismissed the faction and demanded resignations but the MQM-Pakistan insists that it is the original MQM and it has dismissed the founder and leader Altaf Hussain. MQM-Pakistan has changed MQM's constitution which eliminates the founder from the party and has also claimed to dismiss the convener Nadeem Nusrat as well. Nadeem Nusrat doesn't identify with Farooq Sattar's faction and embraces authority of Altaf Hussain. So in short we have two distinct parties working independent. MQM-London is not the name recognized by the founder of MQM and this name is only tagged by the pakistani media, there is no official declaration for this name, while Farooq Sattar does call his faction by another name that is MQM-Pakistan.

Saqib insists that the two MQM pages must be merged as one and to maintain status quo (his own words).

I totally agree with him, but the problem is, he wants to change the leader name from Altaf Hussain to Farooq Sattar (as he thinks that farooq sattar is the true leader of MQM), and convener as Amir Khan. My opinion is, for the status quo, we should not change the leader's name and maintain altaf hussain as the leader as he is the founder of MQM and constitutionally its his authority to nominate for MQM leadership. His second in command, Nadeem Nusrat also doesn't recognize Farooq sattar's decisions and has expelled him from the party. My opinion according to the facts is, Altaf Hussain and Nadeem Nusrat being senior most leaders can't be over ruled by a junion leader who now claims to lead the party. It was Saqib who started disturbing the MQM's page by change the MQM's infobox, and then changing the MQM's page name into MQM-London. I then decided that the matter can be resolved by making two separate pages for two separate MQMs, so i changed redirected page of MQM-Pakistan into a separate individual page and made a separate info box for farooq sattar's faction. I think that this is the most amicable and reasonable settlement to the issue but Saqib insists on keep changing the pages according to his wishes, but to be honest its not very reasonable. I therefore insist that both the pages be maintained as it is and not merged them into one. and if merged it will generate a vast conflict regarding history, infobox, party name, websites, further expansion of the article based on two conflicting resources.

As far as Saqib's ECP party registration source is concerned, the party has been registered with Farooq Sattar's name since 2002 (as he claims). My point of view is Farooq Sattar back in 2002 did accept Altaf Hussain as Leader and this shows that party can be registered in his name but that alone doesn't guarantee his leadership authorization. All info regarding MQM can be verified from [http://MQM.org MQM's website]

Rameezraja001 (talk) 20:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)