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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 01:45, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused recently created template that shouldn't be supported. Not the content of the notice but also not the notice itself. Gonnym (talk) 21:13, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:I don't think there is any reason to delete... not every template needs to be useful.. I use it on my talk page.. what's your reasoning for nominating it? Alexnewmon2623 (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::Aggressive tone, incorrect rules, doing something worse than the default system. Is that enough? Gonnym (talk) 08:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Userfy without leaving a redirect. This page has the creator's signature in it. It appears to be for their personal use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:13, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• :It is for my personal use I never claimed it’s not.. is that against the rules? Alexnewmon2623 (talk) 12:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• :: It is not right to put personal use template in the public template space. Techie3 (talk) 07:34, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete because the way the signature for replies is done is inferior to the normal reply system, as it does not auto update the date. Techie3 (talk) 07:34, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused, broken, and duplicates Template:Namespaces. Gonnym (talk) 19:59, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused template (which was incorrectly created as a sub template). This just repeats Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_improvement#What_is_a_stub?. There is no real need for this. Gonnym (talk) 18:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused sub-templates. Gonnym (talk) 18:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Delete Go ahead and delete please. I didn't end up using them in my reading list template. Ktkvtsh (talk) 22:13, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused Infobox river succession template. Gonnym (talk) 18:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 18:40, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 01:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|Sonic the Hedgehog chronology}}

I don't see any point in having this template. While some individual Sonic games like Adventure 2, Unleashed, Shadow, and most recently Frontiers have story as a major element, and obviously there's stuff like licensed comics with narrative focus, most Sonic games have only very simple narratives and story simply isn't that important to the big picture of the franchise, especially as concerns Wikipedia's coverage. The story that the franchise does have has been subject to frequent significant retcons. While Sega has hired prolific Sonic comics writer Ian Flynn to work on the games and established a "lore team" to keep track of it all (which can be covered in an out of universe fashion in an appropriate location) and consequently newer games do give more attention to continuity, this is a relatively recent development and could and likely will change whenever Sega decides they'd like a different creative direction for the franchise, and we don't need to keep track of all that. We are not Fandom. silviaASH (inquire within) 18:38, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Other timeline templates (Zelda, Metal Gear, Kingdom Hearts, etc.) have secondary sources discussing their chronologies to justify their existence, while this template only has a single primary citation that is itself incomplete. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - the franchise is not story-heavy, and doesn't make much particular sense without any sort of context to string the titles together. (Relatively certain it was created with some WP:OR/WP:SYNTH logic as well.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• :The source lists each of the games in the order they happen (minus some lore details), complete with appropriate box art; therefore, OR is not a factor. Additionally, external context is used in the cases of other series with timeline templates such as Zelda and Metroid, both of which have even less focus on story and connectivity. Mumbai0618 (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::What source? Where? And why is a template incapable of explaining any of this to the reader the right means of conveying this information to the reader? Sergecross73 msg me 00:25, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::The “Sonic World Story” source at the very top that the entire template is based on. What else would I be referring to? Mumbai0618 (talk) 03:32, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::::No idea, as you did not provide a WP:DIF. Sergecross73 msg me 11:05, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::::Pretty sure the source is [https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/character/worldstory/ this page] cited at the top of the template. Which, as I said before, is both a primary source and an incomplete timeline, so it doesn't make for a great source anyway. When the Metal Gear and Kingdom Hearts timeline templates were nominated for deletion a few years ago, they stuck around because there was no shortage of reliable secondary sources discussing their chronologies. Sonic doesn't have that. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Delete per others. There's no real need for this template when the timeline isn't something that a template is inherently needed for. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 15:18, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Another concern is that the timeline is, for the most part, fairly linear and similar to release structure. Sure, Sonic Mania, Sonic Superstars, and Sonic 4 are placed before Adventure, but Adventure is followed by Adventure 2, Heroes, Shadow, Sonic 06, Unleashed, Colors, Lost World, Forces, and Frontiers. For 2D, with few exceptions, the chronological order is also identical to release order. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :I don't really see this as a convincing argument. Metroid is basically this, where the Prime games are all wedged in-between 1 and 2, and Other M is moved before Fusion. This series' chronology, if only by virtue of having way more entries, is inherently more jumbled up, and the examples you cited ignore non-mainline entires whose release order does get mixed up in the template. Mumbai0618 (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. However, I think we need to clean it up slightly. For starters, to address Cyberlink's concerns, I suggest we put it in a separate section (a la Zelda) and cite further sources such as the Encyclo-Speed-ia and Ian Flynn's podcast. We should also highlight that the source in question is still a work in progress from SEGA themselves (though I can acknowledge deleting the template on the grounds of it being incomplete). I'll address the rest individually.Mumbai0618 (talk) 15:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Mumbai0618
• :Ian Flynn's podcast is not useful here, as it is not an authoritative source on the matter to the standards that Wikipedia would require. The Bumblekast is self-published by Flynn and his co-host Kyle Crouse and things he said there would only be useful for WP:ABOUTSELF statements about himself and out-of-universe things he directly worked on (like "I wrote this storyline this way because of this idea" or "I personally think this about x Sonic game or comic") and only where WP:DUE. They've both directly stressed multiple times that the podcast is essentially two guys shooting the shit and Flynn has frequently qualified much of what he's said about in-universe Sonic details with "This is just my headcanon, Sega decides the rules, I just work for them" (and as noted in a footnote that I added to his article, he's since stopped commenting on Sonic stuff at all to avoid stepping on his employers' toes).
• :The Encyclo-Speed-ia is a stronger source, since it had to be approved by Sega folks before publication, but it's ultimately still a primary source and still subject to retcons. Given how prone Sega themselves have been to flip-flopping on what is and isn't part of the official canon, I don't think we can consider covering any of this in this level of detail, at least not without some high-quality independent secondary sources discussing it. silviaASH (inquire within) 16:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :"We should also highlight that the source in question is still a work in progress from SEGA themselves" - How? It's a template. There's no means of providing that sort of context in this format. It's all the more reason that a template isn't the right way to portray this information. Sergecross73 msg me 00:24, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::I was suggesting we make note of it in the main Sonic the Hedgehog article, not in the template. Mumbai0618 (talk) 03:30, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::The template's creator had the intention of putting the template in every single article that's listed in the template, as that's how templates generally work. So context written in the parent article would not be visible to anyone [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonic_Generations&oldid=1289580241 viewing it from Sonic Generations]], for example. Sergecross73 msg me 11:11, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Delete, it is only used on one article page. SeaDragon1 (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused and unclear sandbox version. Gonnym (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:It was from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Navbox_documentation/sandbox&oldid=1254615151 this version] and this was a consideration of mine to create the template accordingly, but this was not desired. Kim Kelting • talk 18:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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This test data isn't used in the testcases. Gonnym (talk) 18:34, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:48, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused and also not linked from anywhere templates. Gonnym (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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This doc page was linked to from the parent template. I've added this doc directly there to keep all the information on the same page. Gonnym (talk) 18:28, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 01:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused reference template other than in one sandbox. Subst there and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 18:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused reference template. Gonnym (talk) 18:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 01:51, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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Links to two films; doesn't meet guidelines at MOS:FILM#Navigation. DoubleCross (‡) 18:17, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Techie3 (talk) 07:27, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Links to two films; doesn't meet guidelines at MOS:FILM#Navigation. DoubleCross (‡) 18:14, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused time template. Gonnym (talk) 18:14, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was userfy.. ✗plicit 00:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused calculator-related template. Gonnym (talk) 18:12, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:This was made as an experiment after a discussion, but then ended up not being used. If people are ok with it, i'd ask that it be moved to my userspace instead of straight up deleted. Bawolff (talk) 18:47, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Userfy without redirect per above request.
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused and useable template. There is no brand-related article where you'd put this. Gonnym (talk) 18:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused style template. Gonnym (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Looks like a perfect candidate to go. Pedantical (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Unused after [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:BMI_calculator&diff=next&oldid=1266217099 this edit]. Gonnym (talk) 18:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yup sure, Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:Delete, not needed. Display will stay the same if deleted. SeaDragon1 (talk) 14:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

• {{Tfd links|420 Men & Mixed World Championship medallists}}
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420 World Championships uses the tables directly. Gonnym (talk) 18:05, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

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This newly created translation template should not be used and instead. We have the {{tl|lang}} and {{tl|langx}} templates for this. And for usage in citations, consult the citation templates on how to correctly do that. Gonnym (talk) 09:31, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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