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[http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dybcensus/V2_table5.pdf UNstats] (PDF)

[http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/standard/themes/RetrieveProductTable.cfm?Temporal=2001&PID=55658&APATH=3&METH=1&PTYPE=55430&THEME=41&FOCUS=0&AID=0&PLACENAME=0&PROVINCE=0&SEARCH=0&GC=0&GK=0&VID=0&VNAMEE=&VNAMEF=&FL=0&RL=0&FREE=0&GID=431516]

:[http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-29.pdf Proficient/Not] [http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t20/tab03.pdf 4 Grades of Proficiency]

Does the image actually reflect these stats?

Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 22:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:It should. If N% of people speak English, the colour is

So you can check it yourself if you like. It's possible I made an error. WilyD 00:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The Falklands colour is wrong, undoubtedly should be red. Also, no data is provided for the South American countries; one may doubt if the knowledge of English is the same in say Uruguay and Bolivia. Apcbg (talk) 20:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

• Grey means we have no data. If you can get data, please provide it. WilyD 21:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

::[http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=ENG Here] is a source. Apcbg (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

South america is missing because the source only has 2 countries, I guess?

(Paraguay is 1.4/4152 and Bolivia is 0, in the source.) I don't think I could find data for every country, but I know good places to look: Panama, Chile, Argentina, Panama — all should have low red tone. Colombia might have a high blue, too. The rest I'm not so sure about, pretty sure they don't have a substantial english speaking subset. — robbiemuffin ^{page talk} 14:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• okay, [http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=eng] has Singapore 71%, everything else has only first language speakers. WilyD 15:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

: :) Hey man, it`s your thing, and it looks great to me! (but Sweden should be very different if you are only counting primary language speakers. Sweden is the same as Chile, 5 years of school and billions of dollars in advertising is the only reason they understand a word of it.) — robbiemuffin ^{page talk} 17:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Uh, one could make a native speakers one. I wouldn't criticise Sweden or Chile for that though - 30 years, many billions, 8 years of school and I can't get out five words in a depanneur before the cashier switches to English. :( Anyways, if you can find speakers numbers, I can incorporate them, just post them here. WilyD 18:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

:::: :) I think I saw the joke you are referring to ... hte faux commercial about how the language is dying beecause no one knows how to speak it? — robbiemuffin ^{page talk} 17:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:15.4% in Argentina. http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/sociedad/3-78287-2006-12-27.html WilyD 15:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear WilyD, maybe the new version of your map shows Singapore (hardly discernible as it might be at that scale) but it clearly fails to show the Falklands in red as indeed confirmed by the [http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=ENG source] I gave above; you may also see the 2001 Falklands census [http://www.falklands.info/background/census2001t.html data] showing that an overwhelming majority (some 80%) of the population comprises people born on the Falklands, the UK and UK overseas territories, Commonwealth countries, Ireland, USA or other English speaking countries. Apcbg (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• This is first language english speakers data. The plot shows total knowledge of English data. These are not the same quantities. WilyD 20:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::Sure. Total-knowledge percentage is greater than first-language speakers one, so if the former itself (say at 80%) gives a (200, 50, 55) variety of red, then the latter would give a red colour too. Apcbg (talk) 20:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

:::As it is now, the map disagrees with the article it seeks to illustrate, so one of the two ought to be brought in line with the other. The article claims (no sources cited) 100% knowledge of English for the islands, 1,991 out of 1,991 persons. Apcbg (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

First, I have to say what a bad and incorrect map this is. The colours are just way off what could be on a decent statistical map. Why is a 1997 poll provided for Estonia?? It says 83% of Estonians have no knowledge of English, while Eurobarometer 2006 says that 46% of Estonians do speak english. Please correct this map, currently showing that Estonians are the least English-speaking nation in Europe. H2ppyme (talk) 09:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)