Talk:Aaron Callaghan#Requested move 6 March 2023

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Procedural close. per WP:TRAINWRECK. However, participants agreed that most of these would be uncontroversial moves as unnecessary disambiguations (except for a few brought up here) and I would recommend the nominator or others moved these themselves per WP:BOLD, or start individual discussions. Thanks. (closed by non-admin page mover) echidnaLives - talk - edits 02:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

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• :Aaron Callaghan (footballer, born 1966) → {{no redirect|Aaron Callaghan}}
• :Aaron Lawrence (footballer) → {{no redirect|Aaron Lawrence}}
• :Ahmed Hamada (hurdler) → {{no redirect|Ahmed Hamada}}
• :Al Santos (actor) → {{no redirect|Al Santos}}
• :Alex Andrade (politician) → {{no redirect|Alex Andrade}}
• :Alexander Flores (boxer) → {{no redirect|Alexander Flores}}
• :Alfonso Carvajal (writer) → {{no redirect|Alfonso Carvajal}}
• :Alpha Kappa Pi (fraternity) → {{no redirect|Alpha Kappa Pi}}
• :Amelia Reynolds (actress) → {{no redirect|Amelia Reynolds}}
• :Andreas Sofokleous (footballer, born 1973) → {{no redirect|Andreas Sofokleous}}
• :Angela Lanza (singer) → {{no redirect|Angela Lanza}}
• :Angelo Nardi (painter) → {{no redirect|Angelo Nardi}}
• :Óscar Ulloa (footballer, born 1963) → {{no redirect|Óscar Ulloa}}
• :Aubrey Murphy (violinist) → {{no redirect|Aubrey Murphy}}
• :Bjørn Tore Hansen (footballer, born 1966) → {{no redirect|Bjørn Tore Hansen}}
• :Brent Cooper (judoka) → {{no redirect|Brent Cooper}}
• :Bruno Sousa (footballer, born May 1996) → {{no redirect|Bruno Sousa}}
• :Buffalo Boys (2018 film) → {{no redirect|Buffalo Boys}}
• :Chad Kessler (American football) → {{no redirect|Chad Kessler}}
• :Chris Breen (ice hockey) → {{no redirect|Chris Breen}}
• :Christiana Boateng (athlete) → {{no redirect|Christiana Boateng}}
• :Christoph Kohl (chemist) → {{no redirect|Christoph Kohl}}
• :Dilip Sinha (diplomat) → {{no redirect|Dilip Sinha}}
• :Eddie López (journalist) → {{no redirect|Eddie López}}
• :Edith Best (musician) → {{no redirect|Edith Best}}
• :Eric George (doctor) → {{no redirect|Eric George}}
• :Fausto Klinger (footballer, born 1953) → {{no redirect|Fausto Klinger}}
• :Guillermo Parada (sailor) → {{no redirect|Guillermo Parada}}
• :Heinrich Debus (chemist) → {{no redirect|Heinrich Debus}}
• :Helen Andrews (writer) → {{no redirect|Helen Andrews}}
• :Hermann Buchner (pilot) → {{no redirect|Hermann Buchner}}
• :Howard Klein (music critic) → {{no redirect|Howard Klein}}
• :Hunter Harrison (soccer) → {{no redirect|Hunter Harrison}}
• :Igor Gusev (footballer) → {{no redirect|Igor Gusev}}
• :Ismael González (boxer) → {{no redirect|Ismael González}}
• :J. B. Turner (cricketer) → {{no redirect|J. B. Turner}}
• :Jeff Gardner (baseball) → {{no redirect|Jeff Gardner}}
• :Jennifer Jenkins (linguist) → {{no redirect|Jennifer Jenkins}}
• :John Polakowski (politician) → {{no redirect|John Polakowski}}
• :Jonathan Alexander (professor) → {{no redirect|Jonathan Alexander}}
• :Joe Gomez (footballer) → {{no redirect|Joseph Gomez}}
• :Justin Jenkins (American football) → {{no redirect|Justin Jenkins}}
• :Józef Piotrowski (enlightener) → {{no redirect|Józef Piotrowski}}
• :KPSU (FM) → {{no redirect|KPSU}}
• :Kareem Joseph (footballer, born 1983) → {{no redirect|Kareem Joseph}}
• :Keith Stevenson (cricketer) → {{no redirect|Keith Stevenson}}
• :Kim Murphy (journalist) → {{no redirect|Kim Murphy}}
• :Laura Carvalho (economist) → {{no redirect|Laura Carvalho}}
• :Leah Curtis (composer) → {{no redirect|Leah Curtis}}
• :Los Rosales (Madrid) → {{no redirect|Los Rosales}}
• :Luís Pissarra (rugby union) → {{no redirect|Luís Pissarra}}
• :Maamigili (Raa Atoll) → {{no redirect|Maamigili}}
• :Maksim Ionov (footballer, born 1976) → {{no redirect|Maksim Ionov}}
• :Mapleton High School (Ohio) → {{no redirect|Mapleton High School}}
• :Nabab Nandini (film) → {{no redirect|Nabab Nandini}}
• :Yaron Gottlieb (lawyer) → {{no redirect|Yaron Gottlieb}}
• :Paul Joannides (art historian) → {{no redirect|Paul Joannides}}
• :Peter Froggatt (epidemiologist) → {{no redirect|Peter Froggatt}}
• :Péter Fülöp (diplomat) → {{no redirect|Péter Fülöp}}
• :Rebecca Grant (British actress) → {{no redirect|Rebecca Grant}}
• :Roger Rojas (footballer, born 1990) → {{no redirect|Roger Rojas}}
• :Rosario Costantino (footballer, born 1997) → {{no redirect|Rosario Costantino}}
• :Sarah Meier (figure skater) → {{no redirect|Sarah Meier}}
• :Steve Cruz (boxer) → {{no redirect|Steve Cruz}}
• :Tiffany James (athlete) → {{no redirect|Tiffany James}}
• :Tomás Molina (footballer) → {{no redirect|Tomás Molina}}

– As primary topics; current titles are occupied by dab pages whose only link are to the article I propose moving. If moved, the dab pages should be deleted as WP:G14. I don't expect this to be controversial, but I am opening an RM in case a naming convention that I am unaware of requires parenthetical disambiguation for any of these articles so that such articles can be identified and excluded. BilledMammal (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 15:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

:I support most of these moves. I note that the DAB page for Alpha Kappa Pi should probably stay, as it had neglected to show this second use of those Greek letters, for an article that hadn't survived an earlier AfD vote. I've updated the DAB page list. That group, Alfa Kappa Pi nevertheless exists, thus the DAB ensures the matter is not confused vis-a-vis Alpha Kappa Pi (fraternity). Jax MN (talk) 16:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

:I don't think Arctic Rose (album) is notable enough to be DIFFCAPped from Arctic rose. 162 etc. (talk) 16:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

::Good point. Removed; I've redirected Arctic Rose to Rhodiola rosea and added a hatnote. BilledMammal (talk) 17:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

:Oppose :Joe Gomez (footballer) → {{no redirect|Joseph Gomez}} per WP:COMMONNAME. Either redirect Joseph Gomez to the footballer, or to the dab page Joe Gomez. Tassedethe (talk) 17:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

::I think natural disambiguation would be appropriate there. BilledMammal (talk) 17:46, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

:::But that would require evidence that he is known as Joseph, per "...an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources...". And I don't see evidence that he is known as Joseph, certainly not in the references in the article. Tassedethe (talk) 00:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

• Generally support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
• Presume the lack of accent on target Tomás Molina was a mistake? In ictu oculi (talk)
• {{fixed}}, and if that proposal is granted, then the {{no redirect|Tomas Molina}} title can be redirected to Tomás Molina as an {{tl|R unprintworthy}} {{tl|R to diacritic}}. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 03:01, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This appears to be in the same batch as Talk:Alakol, Azerbaijan#Requested move 6 March 2023, which is a WP:TRAINWRECK: see there for the context (some of the dab pages had a single entry because they had been vandalised, some lacked entries that they should have had, some had more entries that didn't get caught by the nom's (automated?) process, while a few of the proposed moves involved changing the title to an obscure alternative name without any apparent justification). The current RM appears a bit less messy, but still: I've looked at a sample of 7 moves above, 4 looked alright, but 3 were clear fails (the ones involving the dabs Maamigili and KPSU, where I've restored the other links, and Los Rosales, which I've expanded). – Uanfala (talk) 11:59, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 19:44, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose - what a clusterfuck. Close and re-nominate individually, if you cannot be BOLD and move articles without it. GiantSnowman 19:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose per GiantSnowman. Most of these are fine to just do unilaterally per WP:BOLD, but we do not want to give these moves the aura of consensus since we're not going to sit here and review every single one of them individually to make sure it is appropriate. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:38, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
• if I understood correctly, you would support a close of “Moved without consensus, any objection with a reasonable time frame should result in the move being reverted”? I agree with, and would prefer, such a close - they’re listed here for review, not to obtain consensus. BilledMammal (talk) 04:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strongest possible support per nom. - Tbf69 🛈 🗩 17:40, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose per WP:TRAINWRECK. Nardog (talk) 17:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: It's flooding the possibly incomplete section of WP:RM, any way to fix that? Sennecaster (Chat) 03:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
• : That is interesting; it seems to make the usually safe assumption that target pages will be kept. BilledMammal (talk) 04:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

:::It (the RMCD bot) always makes that call when new target titles are pages with any kind of content (not red links nor redirects). To fix it, just add dispositions for all those target pages, such as :Steve Cruz → deleted to make way for page move. Of course, they'll all have to be included in the Requested move/dated template as well. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 20:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support everything that wasn't explicitly objected to above. Counter everyone else I don't seem the problem with making mass requested moves to establish a convention, and have done so several times before. In all cases, the objections to specific entries do not change the fact that the state after this move is preferable to the state before it, even if a third case-specific state would be even more preferable. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. These are definitely examples of "{R from unnecessary disambiguation}". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Unnecessary disambiguation. But keep Joe Gomez where he is. Can’t find support for Joseph in RS. —В²C ☎ 08:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

:Support as unnecessary disambiguations, though I strongly agree with @GiantSnowman that most of these can just be moved as BOLD edits; really only discuss if the move is reverted. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 06:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment This is almost a WP:TRAINWRECK. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
• Relist note: not quite seeing a consensus here. Happy garnering! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 15:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural oppose per WP:TRAINWRECK. 〜Festucalex • talk • contribs 15:59, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Split opinion from me:
• Supporting all page moves whose disambiguation pages have just the one entry such as Aaron Callaghan, Aaron Lawrence ect.
• Opposing page moves to target page names whose disambiguation have two or more entries such as Maamigili as well as Joe Gomez (footballer) for reasons above.
• Comment Unsure why Chris Breen is a redirect to Chris Breen (ice hockey), the only person with that name on Wikipedia.
• Note to closer: as I have seen situations like this before, the pages ended up not being moved (example here), I think the same result could occur here as well, definite trainwreck based on my split view. Thanks -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iggy the Swan (talk • contribs) 18:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle but several require separate discussions, namely: Alfonso Carvajal, Alpha Kappa Pi, Howard Klein, KPSU, Maamigili and Los Rosales—blindlynx 22:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)