User talk:Pppery

Yo Pppery. This may or may not be a stupid question or both or neither but... when :mw:Extension:MassMessageing, if you add a ref, the ref always sticks to the bottom of the talkpage, even if others add new sections. So would it be possible to have a warning pop up when you put tags in the MassMessage thingy? A simple reminder to add {{tl|talkrefs}} for example? You are a lot more familiar with Phabricator than I am. Polygnotus (talk) 18:44, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I am assuming there already is something to prevent unbalanced tags, if not that would be nice too. Polygnotus (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

: You're welcome to submit a request on Phabricator for it. From experience, it will likely languish unless somebody (which in some distant future could be me, but probably not) volunteers to do it. {{pb}} Another idea would be to write a user script or gadget - that at least doesn't require tangling with the WMF's very slow software development and code review processes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::Phab:T387629 Like this? Polygnotus (talk) 19:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::: Yes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:41, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Why did you move this? There was clearly no consensus. SportingFlyer T·C 19:05, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

: Because I saw a consensus to move. Your analysis of the sourcing was refuted by Deeday-UK, which left just "following a convention" as an argument, which I considered to be much weaker than the arguments raised in favor in moving, especially since the existence of that convention was challenged by GalacticOrbits et al. I agree I should have provided a closing statement, though - I actually started typing one up but then for some reason I can't recall decided not to save it. Feel free to take it to WP:MRV. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:11, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

::I didn't see the rebuttal and I don't agree with it. Of course the article is about a mid-air collision. GalacticOrbits also presented two disasters where it wasn't a passenger plane and a general aviation plane but a passenger plane and military planes, which does not contradict what I said. Would you mind relisting? That's what I'd ask for at MRV anyways. SportingFlyer T·C 19:31, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

::: The discussion was already relisted twice before. We generally don't do third relists. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:57, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

::: Expanding on this, we have now entered the same philosophical dispute as #Parietes redirect above. I believe discussions should have a definite maximum length, and that discussion had already been open for several times longer than it, and as a general matter we tend to relist way too much. That time I backed down, and the discussion was several days later in the same way as I had closed it. Others seem to think we should have a much more freewheeling relist culture, and leaves things open much longer, but I don't hold that view, and don't want to endorse it be acceding to requests to relist on my talk page. I would be interested in seeing what move review thinks of the matter * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:04, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, see User talk:Namiba#CfD listing for the background. For Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 20#Category:Sinhalese queens regnant, I see that you were the one to delete :Category:Sinhalese queens, so would you please help make sure that :Category:Sinhalese queens regnant was properly merged into both :Category:Queens regnant in Asia and :Category:Sinhalese monarchs as well? I don't know how to check that. Thanks, it's lio! | talk | work 11:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:If it wouldn't trouble you, please do review the enforcement of the outcome of the following CfDs as well:

:*Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 24#Category:Alaska lawyers by populated place

:*Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 23#Category:Argentine cardiac surgeons

:*Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 26#Category:Kenyan footballers by populated place

:{{re|Fayenatic london}} since you were the one who pointed out my mistakes, would you please help Pppery with this as well? I've gone through all my other closures and am reasonably confident that they had been carried out in line with the actual outcome of the discussions. I'll make sure that this never happens again. Thanks to you both, it's lio! | talk | work 12:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:: All of these seem to have been done right: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Sinhalese_female_monarchs&diff=1278992422 Sinhalese monarchs], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Lawyers_from_Little_Rock,_Arkansas&diff=1278992700 Lawyers by populated place], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ninoslav_Radovanovi%C4%87&diff=1278993549 Cardiac surgeons], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Footballers_from_Nairobi&diff=prev&oldid=1279134518 Kenyan footballers]. IIRC I silently corrected the entry on /Working to match the discussion, whereas Fayenatic london pointed out the inconsistency. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Alright, thanks! it's lio! | talk | work 16:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

::::That's good, well done, Pppery. Lio, here are a couple of ways you could check: look at old versions of WP:CFDW to see what instructions were fed to the bot; or look at the contributions of {{u|JJMC89 bot III}} (there's a link on that Working page) around the time that relevant pages were processed, e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&end=2025-03-05&namespace=all&start=&tagfilter=&target=JJMC89+bot+III&offset=20250305214508]. – Fayenatic London 17:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

After some investigation, I figured out the breakage was being caused by a complicated expression (specifically, I think the parentheses are the issue, though I didn't test removing them without also removing the multiplication) being passed directly to {{tl|order of magnitude}} via {{tl|significant figures}}, from {{tl|PH brgy table lite}}; that particular case is fixed by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:PH_brgy_table_lite&diff=1279880388&oldid=1164678262 #expr-wrapping] the expressions, but of course that's not a guarantee there are no other cases in other templates which would(/did) similarly break. I'm not sure what the universal fix here would be, either, nor why my version of {{tlf|order of magnitude}} was causing this breakage when the current version is not; I'm curious if you have any thoughts on these. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

: I don't know either - I saw the error, and traced it to your template edit, which was recent enough I thought it was safe to revert rather than spend more time investigating since I didn't really understand how either version of the template worked. I guess the next time I do my run of articles with malformed markup I will see if anything else breaks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:33, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::Do you think I should go ahead and redo my change and we see if anything else breaks, then? :) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:53, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::: I guess so ... * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:54, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Done, hopefully everything's fine this time around (though of course don't hesitate to revert me again if something else similarly arcane is broken now). I also took the opportunity to remove the <noinclude/> hardening from the safesubsts, since the whole template contents are wrapped in a includeonly tag anyways. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Not sure what I'm missing and I intend to do more housekeeping so maybe you can help. The CSD template I added says it covers a page that "disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and ends in "(disambiguation)". Both of these criteria are met as the only page CISV (disambiguation) has ever disambiguated was the Italian vexillogical organisation. Llew Mawr (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: No, it disambiguates two pages. The other is CISV International. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:41, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Pppery. I noticed that you had granted AWB perms to {{u|Electricmemory}} recently. They have been informed that their use of bot-like cosmetic edits is discouraged by the AWB rules and refuse to stop, clogging watchlists with changes to non-broken redirects with no changes to the output text. I would appreciate some guidance here, since I don't normally deal with AWB issues. Cheers, SounderBruce 20:50, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

: I'll look into this more closely in a few hours, since I'm busy with another project right now. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:52, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:: I've revoked access. Whether this edit counts as "cosmetic" is dubious - arguably WP:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations is analagous enough to a hidden category to cover the third bullet point - compare WP:Bots/Requests for approval/Bot1058 9/WP:Bots/Requests for approval/Bot1058 10, but I think making 10,000 edits of this sort in only two weeks and not stopping after a complaint isn't really how AWB is meant to be used. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::@Pppery, For this reason (and others) I believed I was OK. I was only trying to help. I wasn't sure whether to stop immediately after Bruce messaged me so I chose to continue. My apologies! Electricmemory (talk) 04:44, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I believe you've misunderstood my intentions. What I was doing was attempting to clear out Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations, so that others in the future could have a far shorter list to look through to check for visible errors that needed fixing. This was my only intention.

The majority of my AWB edits were non-cosmetic, visible edits. Electricmemory (talk) 04:41, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

: No, they weren't. I spot-checked several more edits in response to this comment and none of them seem to me to have any visible impact on the article. {{pb}} Anyway, I will not be regranting you AWB access. You are welcome to return to WP:Requests for permissions/AutoWikiBrowser and see if another admin feels differently, or appeal my removal to Wikipedia:Administrative action review. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:45, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::Tons of the edits I made affected visible link text, as well as AWB's general article cleanup. Also, you yourself stated that my actions could arguably be justified given the third bullet point on WP:COSMETICBOT, so... what exactly is the issue? Electricmemory (talk) 04:50, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::: Example? I've looked at several dozen edits across several editing sessions and found a few cases where AWB genfixes did something that's technically visible, but none at all where the link wasn't piped. The issue is that people have complained about what you're doing, and you've effectively ignored them and carried on as is. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:57, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::::One person complained, and he isn't an administrator, so I had no reason to believe it was necessary to stop immediately. Had it been more people, brought up sooner,(I've been doing this for weeks) and by an administrator, I would've stopped and dealt with it a whole lot sooner. I am also not surprised that you didn't find an example of that in a dozen edits, given that I've done around 12 thousand of them in two weeks. Electricmemory (talk) 05:03, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::::: The fact that I'm an administrator should not give my opinion any more weight than that of a non-admin. Adminship is supposed to provide only technical access, not social authority. And I find it telling that you've not actually provided an example of the edits you're claiming exist. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:05, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::In matters like this, admin status absolutely does hold weight, quite a lot of it actually. I have no idea how to dig through 12 thousand edits to find examples for you. The mere fact I'm not able to do it quickly should not be "telling" to you at all. Electricmemory (talk) 05:09, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Apologies if I sound ticked off, but I don't find this sort of treatment to be fair after I've spent fifteen hours of my own time doing these edits only for you to come in, immediately revoke access, and accuse me of malfeasance despite my work being perfectly valid per a written Wikipedia policy. Electricmemory (talk) 05:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::Just provide diffs, as requested. It is a normal request to provide links to diffs or other illustrations when you are asked for evidence to back up a claim. Link to ten or twenty diffs in a row and tell us which ones were not cosmetic and how. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Jonesey95 Honestly, I'd love to, but finding ten or twenty diffs among eighteen thousand is just not possible within such a short timeframe. Electricmemory (talk) 03:14, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Strange. Above, you said that the majority of your AWB edits were non-cosmetic. It shouldn't be difficult, then, to click on ten of them in a row and show that a significant number were cosmetic. I just went to your contributions for that time frame and clicked on five diffs, starting from a random place in the list: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Morgan,_Pennsylvania&diff=prev&oldid=1280556457 cosemetic], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reiffton,_Pennsylvania&diff=prev&oldid=1280556465 cosmetic], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robesonia,_Pennsylvania&diff=prev&oldid=1280556474 cosmetic], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shillington,_Pennsylvania&diff=prev&oldid=1280556490 cosmetic], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shoemakersville,_Pennsylvania&diff=prev&oldid=1280556498 cosmetic]. That took me about a minute. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I was wrong. I've also already admitted several times on AAR that I fucked this up. Let me go. Electricmemory (talk) 04:28, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

File:Information icon4.svg There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrative action review regarding an action which you performed. Thank you. Electricmemory (talk) 05:43, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xayahrainie43, a long-term abuser. They just need to be reported and/or blocked; trying to reason with them in edit summaries doesn't work. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:38, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

: Noted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:52, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noah%27s_Ark&diff=1281439861&oldid=1280462844]

Do you think their changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Zionism&action=history] should be reverted? Doug Weller talk 11:49, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

: I'm not a regular editor in this topic area, but from a very quick skim, what's left of there changes that someone else hasn't reverted already consist of:

:: Bypassing a redirect from Zio (pejorative) to Zionist as a pejorative. This is fine.

:: Adding Muslim supporters of Israel. I guess this is fine, given {{tq|Of the community of Muslims that support Israel, a portion designate themselves as "Muslim Zionists"}}.

:: Adding Israel Democracy Institute. I would remove this - the article contains no mention of Zionism.

: * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:41, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

::Done. Doug Weller talk 17:26, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey Pppery, just checking in on how to proceed here: Talk:Alain Côté#Requested move 26 February 2025

Not that your close was a bad call (it was an unopposed RM) but the whole rationale for the RM doesn't really make any sense, and it seems like nobody caught it.

The requestor just stated "obvious primary topic" but I don't see how this is possibly the case. Between the two Alain Côté hockey players, there is consistent view overlap going back several years that makes it fairly clear there is WP:NOPRIMARY between the two hockey players of the same name.

[https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2020-01&end=2025-02&pages=Alain_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9_(ice_hockey,_born_1967)%7CAlain_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9_(ice_hockey,_born_1957) Pageview stats]

Not sure how to proceed with this one. Should I just open up a new RM to suggest it be flipped back to having the DAB page at the root? RachelTensions (talk) 04:54, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

: In principle fine with another RM, but I would give {{U|LilianaUwU}} and {{u|Rlendog}} a chance to explain themselves first - there must have been some reason they saw it as obvious that you don't see. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:23, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

::The entire reason why people would go to the other hockey player is because they're being mistaken for the primary topic. Alain Côté the Nordiques player is much more well known, if only because of his April 28, 1987 refused goal that is still a point of contention in Québec. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 01:08, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:::If what you say is true then I'd expect the views to spread further apart and stop overlapping after the move, [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=1&start=2025-03-07&end=2025-03-31&pages=Alain_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9_(ice_hockey,_born_1967)%7CAlain_C%C3%B4t%C3%A9 but they haven't.] Since the move, their pageview stats have continued to intersect on several occasions.{{pb}}Furthermore, if the event you mention is so central to this person's notability that it somehow makes them the primary topic by historical significance then I'd assume the event would be noted somewhere in his article, but it isn't. RachelTensions (talk) 01:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

{{Reply to|Ppperys}}

On Epermenia septicodes you say "Pppery moved page Epermenia septicodes to Epimarptis septicodes: Why does nobody ever do their moves! "

Because i yesterday i setup for a blocking redirect (preventing that move) to be deleted by an admin. It only happened late morning of next day (today) with no notification sent to me. I found it this afternoon and was working through updates on another enwiki for the adjacent species where same issue, but had not yet got to it this species! ;). Give me a chance! Sjl197 (talk) 15:41, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

: That edit summary wasn't intended to be addressed to you, it was intended to be addressed to the admin who did the deletion, whose responsibility it should have been to do the move too. ({{tq|An administrator who deletes a page that is blocking a move should ensure that the move is completed after deleting it}} from WP:G6). Every time I see such an entry pop up in WP:Database reports/Possibly out-of-process deletions#G6 when it updates every 3 days (as happened here) it indicates an admin has failed in that task, and today I woke up to 4 separate cases of undone db-moves which made me somewhat frustrated. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:34, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, the page you speedily deleted Magnito (rapper) wasn’t recreated, the initial deleted version is different from this recent version, when it was initially deleted, the subject was not nominated at the The Headies Awards, the page was created because of the new development from the nomination and yes he’s eligible and well known in the Nigerian music soundscape, deleting it abruptly without clear research on the subject based on Nigeria music industry is not fair, the last version was not exactly the same from the recently deleted version

Please look it up, thank you Vector diehard (talk) 11:31, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

: No. You're showing willful contempt for Wikipedia's deletion processes and I will not help you. Take it to WP:DRV if you really insist. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, you deleted Template:WikiProject Writing/events but it has 12 transclusions, see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WikiProject Writing/events. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:46, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now removed all transclusions. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:08, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

From the discussion here- the database reports do need to be de-cluttered of piped links that don't require fixing, so how do we do that? Change the bot? I've got no idea how to do that and I want to figure out how so it can be done. Electricmemory (talk) 23:08, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

: My talk page is not really the right place for this. Wikipedia talk:Database reports or maybe Wikipedia:Request a query would be better. There's an unfortunate technical issue that the database stores what pages link to where in an easily queryable fashion but not whether than link is piped or not, so it would require a fairly heavy rearchitecture of the bot. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

::...Which rounds right back to where this all started, if the years-long backlog in that report were to be cleared once then maintained at a low volume then all would be well... Electricmemory (talk) 23:15, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

::Of course, I'm not going to go back and continue what I was doing without a clear consensus to do so. But it is a problem that needs dealing with somehow Electricmemory (talk) 23:16, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:@Pppery If you're interested please offer your thoughts here. Electricmemory (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi there! I wanted to let you know I declined your G4 speedy deletion nomination of Vijayant Thapar (officer) because it was not sufficiently similar to the version deleted at AFD in 2016. If you feel the subject is still non-notable, feel free to start a new discussion. :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 05:31, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

At first I thought that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BettaFisch&diff=prev&oldid=1283046246 this edit] was a server glitch, but on my run this morning, I realized that I had edited a version of the page from the history. I do that about once a year when I am looking through the history to find out when something happened, then I get distracted or confused and edit the wrong page. Thanks for catching my bonehead mistake. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Was gonna say "thanks for removing that f from 'Ben Rectorf', its embarrassing that was there", until I realized [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ben_Rector&curid=28254345&diff=1283144221&oldid=1282821545 you were the one that added it] lol. Panini! • 🥪 18:13, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

: Oops. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:14, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't understand how that worked. I was expecting a notification on both pages. I see {{U|RMCD bot}} did what I was trying to do.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Could you please take necessary steps to restore the article? I added clear proof that it is notable. I only temporarily edit here. Iconicos (talk) 11:29, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

: It is never my responsibility to help people circumvent the past will of the community. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:18, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

WP:DUP merge :Category:Ministry of Planning and International Cooperation (Jordan) to :Category:Ministry of Planning (Jordan) Thanks. QalasQalas (talk) 05:00, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: Please take this to WP:Categories for discussion properly. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Pppery I wanted to request some updated information to a company page that you edited back in July 2024. In complete transparency, I am an employee of this company and will be abiding by Wikipedia rules in order to maintain good faith. I would like to make edits to outdated information (non promotional) that is currently on the page and would love for you to oversee implementation of the edits since you've worked on this page before. Looking forward to hearing back --FindingYutori (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: You're welcome to try. I have the page on my watchlist (and have had it there since the 2023 spat - it's my practice to do so when repeatedly reverting promotional material), so will notice any changes. I warn you that it's difficult to write non-promotional content about the company you are employed by, even if you are genuinely trying. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:44, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Pppery - I noticed that you reverted my history merge template on the Tetrabaena page. Perhaps that's not the correct template, but I'm struggling to find the correct template for a non-simple history merge, or any guidance as to how correctly flag this and the Tetrabaena socialis article for a history merge, given that it was originally cut-and-pasted from the article at Tetrabaena socialis. If you could provide any information on how to proceed, it would be much appreciated! ArchPope Sextus VI (talk) 00:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

: There are WP:Parallel histories here, so a history merge is not desirable - the text merge is already properly attributed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:36, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I see that the original redirect was by a good-standing editor, and the content by the puppeteer wasn't toxic, so it didn't need to be redacted. So the content by the puppeteer is still in the history, and duh. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I've rightly been told by another user to refactor my user talk page to remove all the old AfD nominations. In my will to get that template deleted I completely blanked my talk page and will restore all the important parts soon. Bobo. 19:15, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/AutoWikiBrowser has a serious backlog, myself included, spanning from March 18th, I saw you have done it before, if it is no worry, can you do some of the requests? If not its fine, I don't mean to be a pistol either, but I just see its a huge backlog! Thanks, Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:02, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

: Wikipedia:Administrative_action_review#March_2025_revocation_of_my_AutoWikiBrowser_rights_by_Pppery seems to have discouraged me from processing AWB requests for a while. Not consciously, but I just haven't felt motivated to do it (and I've been going through a lot of off-wiki trouble, but that's mostly resolved now and never really prevented me from editing). And I really don't want to be the only person keeping a process from collapsing, as I am in far far too many scenarios. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

::Hey, can't say I haven't been through enough within my time here, its been a bit of a hassle! I understand if you can't, but I believe it shouldn't matter what 1 person or even 100 people think, it should matter what you think, If you believe you can't do it, DON'T. But if you believe you can overcome this, you should attempt to try, coming from someone that has felt similar issues. I came to you, as I believe you were one of the only, and I was right about you, about you being amazing for helping out. But everyone just tries to make you mad, and makes you upset... If you don't want to do it, its fine! I believe everyone has the right to their own opinion, but if you want to, it'd be greatly appreciated, as we've really wanted to edit with AWB, including myself... If you cannot I will go to someone else who possibly can... Thanks, Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:12, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

I am restarting WP:USC or known as WikiProject U.S. Congress, it has over 10,000 or more articles that aren't reviewed, and I saw you were kind, loving, didn't have motivation and thought this will be a fun project to revive! I believe this will be a fun thing for you to do and help us review articles, we are in dire need of assistance and would love a kind and loving person like you! You don't need to say yes, or don't need to say no! Its up to you, and if you wish to ask anymore questions about this, you can do so at my talk page. Thanks, Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

: I have enough tasks to do for now, so no thanks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

::Alright, thanks for even responding! Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:41, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

: As you wish. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:32, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

: :) Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 22:41, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

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The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_Private_Security_Companies_(PSC)&redirect=no Chinese Private Security Companies (PSC)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at {{section link|1=Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 April 9#Chinese Private Security Companies (PSC)}} until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's wrong with this one page out of seven. Why is this one not deletable like the other six? Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/References? Moxy🍁 05:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

: Because if I had been the reviewing admin I would have declined several of the other six too. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:11, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::Why? Been doing this for over 20 years never been a problem before. Moxy🍁 05:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::: Please see the essay WP:!G6 that I linked in my edit summary. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Was thinking more that common sense should apply here vs and essay.... as they have throughout the years and for the most recent deletion request during this round of the wikiproject cleanup process. Would you be in a kefuffle if I redirected the page to the article where all this was transferred to a decade ago? Moxy🍁 05:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: Redirecting is fine - for whatever reason we've adopted a much more freewheeling process for BLARs that for deletions. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:23, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Perfect I just did a redirect..... sorry for wasting your time. Moxy🍁 05:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I reviewed this page as well, had questions about it and posted a note at User talk:Bearcat as they created the page, to see if they agreed with the deletion. And Moxy, when you tag pages for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/etc.), you should notify the page creator. Try using Twinkle, set your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify the page creator" and then Twinkle will post these notices on your behalf. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:25, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Pppery. You made a suggestion at {{UTRS|102115}}. I have now restored the editor's talk page access so that they can post an unblock request there. I thought you might like to copy your suggestion to that talk page, or (perhaps better) wait and do so if and when they make an unblock request there. JBW (talk) 20:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

: Noted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Go start a discussion on redlink user categories before you touch my userpage again. - Ned Scott 16:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

: No. Stop refusing to respect prior discussions. WP:REDNOT, despite its location, has long been interpreted as barring all redlinked categories other than :Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user talk page and :Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user page. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I see you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Highway_M15_%28Ukraine%29&diff=1285180647&oldid=1272199397 fixed one], but could you fix the other uses on this page? I would fix it, but the template has been deleted, so I can't substitute it anymore. Frietjes (talk) 17:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

: Fixed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

{{tl|WikiProject Disambiguation}} states that talk pages should not be created to contain just this template, and the discussions linked from there point out that the existence of such a page is a disadvantage: it complicates page moves and it causes editors to waste time looking for nonexistent discussion. An editor yesterday created a large number of these, such as Talk:AANM, but seems to have stopped once I pointed out that they should not be created. It would be useful to get rid of them, and G6:"Created in error" seems appropriate. I tried 5 as a start: the latest 3 and the two which were on my watch list and had alerted me to the problem. You declined the speedies: please reconsider. PamD 05:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

: I'm not comfortable doing that level of mind-reading to determine what "created in error" means - if Waxworker wants them to be deleted then they are welcome to tag them with {{Tl|db-g7}}, otherwise the pages weren't worth creating but also aren't worth deleting IMO. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:39, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::I'll ask them to do that: would any other speedy Category have persuaded you? PamD 06:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::: No. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

About declined request unprotection on Cinderella III: A Twist in Time you didn't add the comment reason for declined why did you declined this request obviously there's no reason for declined unless you said per above like other comment from Tbhotch or Jéské Couriano tell me the reason for declined why? 2603:7000:8100:29F1:5468:438C:FBE0:8493 (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:Both IPs involved in the request belong to {{no ping|Rgalo10}}, but you probably guessed that. Favonian (talk) 10:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey Pppery, poking around how the title blacklist system works when I noticed that you seem to be the main person responsible for maintaining it (MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist and Special:History/MediaWiki:Titleblacklist) so you seem to be the best person to ask, I hope you don't mind.

1. What is the correct procedure for requesting titles be blacklisted? I assumed RFPP but wasn't sure if it was handled there, but then I look at MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist and I don't notice any requests to add a whole page blacklisting.
2. Would a title blacklist be overkill for the problem of an internet meme, see Low Taper Fade, Low Taper Fade (disambiguation), Low taper fade (meme), Low taper fade ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&user=&page=Low+taper+fade&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist deletion log]) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Low Taper Fade (disambiguation), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Low taper fade, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Low taper fade (meme).

I hope a response wouldn't be too much of opening a fresh can of maple baked (my personal favourite) but if so let me know. I'm just genuinely curious about the appropriate procedures for some of the things I'm coming across. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

: The procedure for requests seems to be to post on MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist. For example see MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist#Protected edit request on 29 October 2024. 16:02, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

: And I don;t think Low taper fade is quite at the point where a TB rule is warranted - an article on the meme (as distinct from navigational machinery that that article requires) has only been created twice. Normal salting should be tried first IMO, so I've done that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:06, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::Okay, makes sense. Thanks! Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:59, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Pppery. Can you tell whether :File:Bosnian Cultural Center.jpg is a reupload of what you deleted per :Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 December 17#File:Bosnian Cultural Center.jpg. It was uploaded by user and has the same file name. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

: {{tps}} {{ping|Marchjuly}} The deleted image was nothing like the new one; it showed the interior of the building. JBW (talk) 08:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks {{u|JBW}} for checking on this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

If you think creating an article when there is a draft to build up on is fine, then at least merge the two things. I won't let my work go to waste. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:48, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

: You requested a speedy deletion for a reason that didn't meet any of Wikipedia's speedy deletion criteria. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::What, because I wasted what little time I spend on Wikipedia? No wonder I barely edit anymore. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:50, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::: Also, there's no content to merge - all of the content in the draft is also in the article and if anything the article has more content. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:51, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Yeah, but I did it first. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: If you want a history merge, then I guess I could agree to do that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Yeah, that's what I meant. Don't feel obliged, but it's just that it blows that the one time I do content it goes to waste. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::: History merged. Sorry for my brusque tone there. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Nah, I was the one who came by your page with that tone first. It's only fair. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:56, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::(Talk page stalker) : I've been having various discussions about drafts/sandboxes not really making sense for article incubation, and this is actually one of the main reasons. (Avoiding this). Have either of you got any thoughts on the matter? (Should we make drafts more official and more easily searchable? What about articles that have unclear names that could be created as several different drafts at once?) Thanks for any thoughts you might have... Tduk (talk) 22:38, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

If an image [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comrade_Tambo%27s_London_Recruits&diff=1286076843&oldid=1286076687 is in use], you don't have to delete it for being FUR-less. You can just add the FUR yourself. DS (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

: Okay. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:08, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{tpw}} {{replyto|DragonflySixtyseven}} The image was deleted per WP:CSD#F3 (Improper license), not because it lacked a FUR. F3 was applicable because when uploaded, the selected license was "The copyright holder only allows this work to be used for non-commercial and/or educational purposes", which yields the template {{tlxs|Non-commercial from license selector}}, which automatically adds {{tlx|db-f7}}. Pppery was acting on the presence of that last tag.

:In addition, it is not the responsibility of Pppery (or any other deleting admin) to add a FUR. It is the responsibility of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AComrade+Tambo%27s+London+Recruit.jpg the uploader], which was {{user|Courage Doe}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Are you still not in the mood to do AWB requests, if you are disregard this message, if you aren’t AWB has a backlog and it’s me and another member and I was wondering if you can review it… If not it’s fine! Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 15:21, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

File:Information icon4.svg There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrative action review regarding an action which you performed. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 20:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Skyerise is not banned but blocked, and what I posted on ANI was not a ban appeal, as there is no ban in place. Instead, it is a proposal to institute a community ban. —Alalch E. 20:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

: In that case I would oppose it as unnecessary. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:51, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::Do you have any ideas? This situation isn't good. —Alalch E. 21:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::: Why isn't it good? Skyerise is welcome to request an unblock via UTRS if and when she wishes to do so, and as a procedural matter that should suffice. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:46, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::::It's very hard to appeal now because of the disagreement around what was meant by the use of capital letters. The way the system works, Skyerise is going to be required to admit and she has repeatedly denied. At the same time, the incident wasn't particularly serious. Then it was aggravated by also not especially serious arguing post-block involving the some of the least intense outing concerns I've ever seen lead to an indef. Meaning that for something not serious the editor is indefinitely blocked with talk page access revoked and we can predict with above 50% certainty that appeals are not going to work, meaning that we are losing an editor for something not serious. —Alalch E. 22:58, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: I kind of agree with you, but at the same time I don't think anything anyone can do now could remedy the situation. Trying to impose a community ban as a way of loosening the sanctions on someone is very unorthodox and not how the process is meant to work. {{pb}} It's also possible that in a few months the initial block for that will have been seen as superseded by the later block for posting personal information, which will instead be what she needs to address, and Floquenbeam's comment kind of suggests that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:03, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Yeah, hopefully that's how it will be. —Alalch E. 23:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I am really sorry for applying all the requests at once, I didnt have any bad intention to showoff but just wanted to gain a new exerience, if I get the rights so to prevent vandalism, Thanks for the guidance! 👑 Jesus isGreat7 👑 | 📜 Royal Talk 08:16, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey Pppery, quick question. When moving pages like Tarran T1 Pro is there a way to avoid leaving a redirect behind? I have started to do a lot more page moves for AfC so it may be helpful. Thank you, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 15:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

: No, unless you're a WP:Page mover there's no way to not leave a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:21, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::Ah, thank you. Maybe I will look into it once I reach the requirements. Have a great day! CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 15:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Pppery, per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holy_Ground_%28Taylor_Swift_song%29&diff=1286714348&oldid=1285349433 this move], could you also move Talk:Holy Ground (song) to Talk:Holy Ground (Taylor Swift song). Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:40, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

: Done. That is an instance of T12814, which I knew about but in the complexity of the operation (also involving a history merge and split) it must have slipped my mind. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:56, 21 April 2025 (UTC)