Talk:Bona Malwal/GA2
GA Review
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Reviewer: Czarking0 (talk · contribs) 05:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
:thanks for re-reviewing the article, I will try to amend for your comment as you post them. FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
::one thing to bare in mind, Sudan is not the US when it comes to coverage. Even now, it is really hard to get any information, if does not relate to war or massacre. The sources listed in the article, is almost any and every article that mentioned Malwal, ever. I have even read Malwal autobiography but there he still focused on his opinion of the events, and not what was going on the ground.
::There is also some trivia that I excluded, like the time Malawal saved Ibrahim El-Salahi from execution after the 1975 Sudanese coup attempt, which I could not include to keep the article focus FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for calling that out I will certainly keep that in mind. I think if this captures all the available material it can certainly be considered good Czarking0 (talk) 01:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks for your understanding. Please see my reply below in green and I took the liberty to delete what I though I have solved (feel free to double check)
::::I think I have covered most of your comments and waiting for you to conduct further reviews and indicate where your concerns was resolved and where you think I need to do better. Thanks to your comment the article size has increased by 20%
::::again, thanks for taking the time to re-do this FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
::I moved the review forward a bit. I wonder if there are more sources on his government duties in arabic texts or another language but I do not speak any that will be of use here. Czarking0 (talk) 21:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
:::I added more details from Arabic sources, although one of them mentioned a different year of birth!. I also included a section about Jieng Council of Elders FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
::Made a comment on one of the sources not being reliable. I am slowly getting through all the new changes Czarking0 (talk) 03:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
:::responded and take your time, generally there is no deadline on Wikipedia .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
::::I responded to that. I also wanted to point you toward this source which is in polish so it probably is not too helpful for us but it does cite some English sources. Part of the value of this review I think is some source material discovery. I think the Sudan project could benefit from some tips on sourcing.
::::https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335728266_Jieng_Council_of_Elders_a_parallel_government_in_South_Sudan Czarking0 (talk) 01:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::have a look when you have tie and thanks for these insights. FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
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:*{{tq|again, this is Sudan, it is tough to find information online about revolutions let alone a member of the parliament, but I tried to find more but could not find more details}}
:* {{tq|done}} |
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:* {{tq|how did you come to this conclusion? could not find any thing that support this assertion. Radio Tamazuj, Radio Dabanga, Sudan Tribune, Sudans Post, Nyamilepedia and Paanluel Wel Media are the main active news outlet in South Sudan, see [https://www.voanews.com/a/africa_journalists-report-harrassment-south-sudans-media-authority/6175525.html VOA] and [https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/03/south-sudan-human-rights-priorities-government-south-sudan Human Rights Watch]. I understand that you might not like how they write but I never used Nyamilepedia in isolation but rather when they converge our supplement. These are news outlet constantly harassed by the government so I am not sure why are you dismissing them. I tried to see what Ground News [https://ground.news/interest/nyamilepedia says about Nyamilepedia] but unsurprisingly there is nothing, yet.}} :* I cited the UNMISS press release. Follow the link for my reasoning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Czarking0 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC) ::* {{done}} .. {{tq|sorry missed the source. Removed any text that is sources to Nyamilepedia. Well spot!}}
:* {{tq|both}}
:* {{tq|removed allegedly, and mentioned the indictment. However, no source for Malwal -additional- reaction following that}}
:* {{tq|not for me to comment that why I shared the information with the sources with the reader. all of these came from good sources but I put the one that is cited frequently. There is also a dispute about where he studied}}
:*{{tq|that is actually not true, [https://web.archive.org/web/20221124180505/https://www.theguardian.com/news/1999/oct/12/guardianobituaries3 The Guardian article] verify this information. The source you mentioned, include a mention about Malawal where it states "... Madut Ring, the father of Bona Malwal and then Chief of Kuac (Twic), ...". Gogrial contains Twic}} {{GATable/item|2b|y| }}
:* {{done}}
:* {{tq|this is an article from the International Islamic University Malaysia Communication in the Muslim World Occassional paper series but I removed the source as I lifted this sentence from The Vigilant article.}}
:* {{done}} {{tq| it is included. as this book is used twice, I added the page number using {{rp}} template after the citation, for example in the paragraph at start of the "Political career" section}}
:* {{TQ|JCE is pro SPLM and anti SPLM-IO. There are three sources including openDemocracy but let me think of a better summary}} :* sorry I am not too familar with Sudanese politics so I did not understand the distinction. ::*{{tq|I think it’s irrelevant now since I moved the JCE to a separate page as you requested}}
:* {{tq|lol I hope your aunt is not into South Sudan politics. Anyway, removed ref and related text.}} :* The source is still linked. If you search "axis of evil" you will see where. ::* {{done}}
:*{{done}} {{GATable/item|2c|y| }} {{GATable/item|2d|y| }}
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:* {{tq|if I may say, finding these details about a (South) Sudanese early life is really difficult. I scanned Malwal memoir and couple of sources about his early life, and they give far less information }}
:* {{tq|agree, found/added some trivia but no detailed coverage about this}}
:* {{tq|I cannot even find a document about the government cabinet during that time. Even now, it is difficult to pin point who is the minister, forget what they did}}
:* {{tq|same but added information for the period between 1974 to 1976}}
:*{{tq|found/added more information about 1990s, especially interviews}}
:*{{tq|found/added some trivia about 2003 and 2004}} {{GATable/item|3b|y| }} {{GATable/item|4|y| }}
:* {{done}}{{tq| true. I amended the sentence to read "Malwal co-founded the Southern Front, served in the national assembly, and held ministerial positions, advocating for cultural, informational policies, and economic development before and during Gaafar Nimeiry's era. However, he also notably resigned in protest against the imposition of Sharia law and Arabic as Sudan's official language after the 1977 National Reconciliation, before later joining the Southern Sudan Autonomous Region's government. In the 1990s, he advocated against human right abuses in Sudan while in self-exile."}} {{GATable/item|5|y| }} |
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:* {{tq|I did look, [https://www.foranewworld.org/people/bona-malwal this is only picture] that would have been free under Sundanese law if it were taken in Sudan, but it is not. also this [https://www.c-span.org/person/?8075/BonaMalwal screenshot]] from the US seminar which licensed. I did not include other images in the article, as it will be indexed by google as being his image, so unless it is necessary, I comment it out until a proper main image is found (or he dies and then I can use a non-free image)}} {{GATable/item|6b|y| }} {{GATable/item|7|y| }} Nice work from @FuzzyMagma the article has come a long way. I hope this adds to the standard of what makes a GA in the Sudan project |