Talk:Chelsea Manning#Requested move
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|title=Wikipedia Beats Major News Organizations, Perfectly Reflects Chelsea Manning's New Gender
|author=Mark Joseph Stern
|date=August 22, 2013
|url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/08/22/chelsea_manning_wikipedia_perfectly_reflects_new_gender_of_whistleblower.html
|org=Slate
|accessdate=August 22, 2013
|title2=Bradley Manning wants to live as a woman named Chelsea Manning
|url2=http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bradley-manning-woman-chelsea-manning-20130822,0,7620376.story#ixzz2lg3aFF6G
|date2=August 22, 2013
|author2=Robin Abcarian
|accessdate2=August 23, 2013
|org2=Los Angeles Times
|title3=Wikipedia Changed Its Entry To Properly Reflect Chelsea Manning's Name
|author3=Justine Sharrock
|date3=August 22, 2013
|url3=http://www.buzzfeed.com/justinesharrock/wikipedia-changed-its-entry-to-properly-reflect-chelsea-mann
|org3=BuzzFeed
|accessdate3=August 23, 2013
|url4=http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/08/22/bradley-manning-real-me-is-a-woman-named-chelsea
|title4=Bradley Manning: 'Real Me' Is a Woman Named Chelsea
|author4=Steven Nelson
|date4=August 22, 2013
|org4=U.S. News & World Report
|accessdate4=August 27, 2013
|url5=http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114418/bradley-manning-chelsea-now-wants-hormone-therapy
|title5=He Is Not Bradley Manning. She Is Chelsea Manning. Deal With It.
|author5=Ryan Kearney
|date5=August 22, 2013
|accessdate5=August 27, 2013
|org5=The New Republic
|url6=http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/08/22/wikipedia-joins-supporters-in-quick-embrace-of-mannings-transition-from-bradley-to-chelsea/
|title6=Bradley Manning: 'I am a female'
|org6=MarketWatch
|date6=August 22, 2013
|accessdate6=August 29, 2013
|author6=Barbara Kollmeyer
|title7=Behind the Wikipedia wars: what happened when Bradley Manning became Chelsea
|author7=Alex Hern
|org7=New Statesman
|date7=August 23, 2013
|accessdate7=August 23, 2013
|url7=http://www.newstatesman.com/sci-tech/2013/08/behind-wikipedia-wars-what-happened-when-bradley-manning-became-chelsea
|url8=http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/wikipedia-battle-chelsea-bradley-manning-gender/
|title8=Wikipedia battle rages over Chelsea Manning's gender identity
|author8=Tim Sampson
|date8=August 23, 2013
|accessdate8=August 28, 2013
|org8=The Daily Dot
|title9=What's in a name? Chelsea Manning and Muhammad Ali
|url9=http://www.salon.com/2013/08/24/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_name_chelsea_manning_and_muhammad_ali/
|accessdate9=November 25, 2013
|org9=Salon
|author9=Andrew O'Hehir
|date9=August 24, 2013
|url10=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2013/0825/Bradley-or-Chelsea-What-to-call-Pvt.-Manning-video
|title10='Bradley' or 'Chelsea' – What to call Pvt. Manning?
|org10=The Christian Science Monitor
|author10=Brad Knickerbocker
|date10=August 25, 2013
|acccessdate10=August 28, 2013
|url11=http://swampland.time.com/2013/08/28/media-makes-the-manning-switch/
|title11=Media Makes the Manning Switch
|author11=Katy Steinmetz
|date11=August 28, 2013
|accessdate11=August 31, 2013
|org11=Time
|url12=http://www.dailydot.com/news/wikipedia-chelsea-bradley-manning-transgender-debate/
|title12=Wikipedia decides Chelesa Manning will remain 'Bradley' for now
|author12=Jay Hathaway
|date12=August 31, 2013
|accessdate12=August 31, 2013
|org12=The Daily Dot
|url13=http://www.newstatesman.com/alex-hern/2013/09/chelsea-manning-gets-put-back-closet-wikipedia
|title13=Chelsea Manning gets put back in the closet by Wikipedia
|author13=Alex Hern
|date13=September 4, 2013
|accessdate13=September 4, 2013
|org13=New Statesman
|url14=http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/24/chelsea-manning-name-row-wikipedia-editors-banned-from-trans-pages
|title14=Chelsea Manning name row: Wikipedia editors banned from trans pages
|author14=Alex Hern
|date14=October 24, 2013
|accessdate14=October 24, 2013
|org14=The Guardian
|url15=http://www.dailydot.com/news/wikipedia-chelsea-manning-trans-edits/
|title15=After Chelsea Manning row, Wikipedia bans transphobic editors
|author15=Kevin Collier
|accessdate15=October 29, 2013
|date15=October 26, 2013
|org15=The Daily Dot
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{{Old moves
|title1=Bradley Manning|title2=Chelsea Manning|title3=Breanna Manning|title4=Arrest of Bradley Manning
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- RM, Arrest of Bradley Manning → Bradley Manning, Moved, 3 September 2010, discussion
- RM, Bradley Manning → Alleged leaks of Bradley Manning, No consensus to move, 8 Dec 2010, discussion
- Move/revert, Bradley Manning → Breanna Manning, Move was reverted, 5 May 2012, discussion
- RM, Chelsea Manning → Bradley Manning, initial move of the article to "Chelsea Manning" is reverted, returning the article to the original title, "Bradley Manning", 31 August 2013, discussion
- RM, Bradley Manning → Private Manning, Not moved, 4 September 2013, discussion
- RM, Bradley Manning → Chelsea Manning, Moved, 1 October 2013, discussion
- RM, Chelsea Manning → Manning (U.S. Army), Not moved, 14 March 2014, discussion
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Who is Casey Manning?
Who is Casey Manning?
There are two mentions of this individual but no links or explanation about who this person is or how he/she/it are related to Chelsea/Bradley Manning.
The main article only says: "Manning has an older sister".
So I assume Casey is Chelsea's older sister, but this should be stated explicitly, otherwise further refernces to this appelation has no grounding in fact.
Vonuan (talk) 14:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
:Fixed. I added the name to the statement she has an older sister.However, we may need to address how she is refered to later in the text, as at least one source gives her name as Casey Manning Majors, in which case she should be refered to once by that name and later by Majors during the testimony portion. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you for the reply and the edit.
:As to the naming, I am of the opinion that one should use the name of a person AT THE TIME of the event being discussed.
:IF the event is at birth, then the birth name should be used.
:In the case of the trial of "Bradley Manning" and prior events, it is wrong to distort history by speaking of "Chelsea Manning". If this becomes a requirement of "political correctness" then we are on a very slippery slope. Vonuan (talk) 11:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
::This was already a requirement; see MOS:DEADNAME and supplementary essay {{slink|Wikipedia:Gender_identity#Retroactivity}}. It is not common in written English to treat the names of people, places, or things as temporally fixed in the way you suggest (in fact it would be extremely confusing). Correctly naming living biography subjects is an act of basic decency and respect.
::If you have further comments or concerns on how Wikipedia writes about transgender people, please take them to a more general forum. Such a change would affect many more pages than this (and has been discussed to death hundreds of times and is never going to happen). –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 14:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
why is her deadname literally in the first sentence
do better Beep320 (talk) 18:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:According to the policy, since she was also notable under her previous name, it goes in the lead section (See MOS:DEADNAME. In fact, her situation is even used as an example).--MattMauler (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::cringe and transphobic Beep320 (talk) 19:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@Beep320 How is it transphobic? It is a legit guideline, did you not even bother to read MOS:DEADNAME before you baselessly called someone cringe and transphobic? Titan(moon)003 (talk) 02:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
My removals
Selecting pronouns in direct quotation
Due to the contentious topic, I am posting here before making any changes. In the section on military service, we write the following: She was allegedly being bullied, and according to another soldier, was having a breakdown. The soldier told The Guardian: "The kid was barely five foot ... [She] was a runt, so pick on [her]. [She's] crazy, pick on [her]. [She's] a faggot, pick on [her]. The [girl] took it from every side. [She] couldn't please anyone."
I think this is an excessive number of bracketed changes that hurts readability. I also think it compromises the original quote. One option would be to paraphrase, but the structure conveys meaning that would be difficult to capture. Another option would be to remove it entirely. A third option would be to use the original pronouns. I suggest the third, which is employed for a quote from Manning's father in the Background section. Any thoughts? cityuser (talk) 10:22, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
:MOS:GENDERID gives the advice to prefer paraphrasing over excessive bracketed replacements. Excessive bracketed replacements are still preferable to misgendering. If we can't find a way to make the line flow better, I would omit it. –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (talk • stalk) 16:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
Typos in Quote
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- What I think should be changed (format using {{tl|textdiff}}):
In the first paragraph of the section "2019 jailing for contempt":
{{TextDiff|"we've seen this power abused countless times to target political speech. I have nothing to contribute to this case and I resent being forced to endanger myself by participating in this predatory practic0e"|"We've seen this power abused countless times to target political speech. I have nothing to contribute to this case and I resent being forced to endanger myself by participating in this predatory practice"}}
I.e. capitalization and removing the digit 0.
- Why it should be changed:
This seems to be a typo, the source after that quote has the quote without those errors.
- References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): {{cite web |last1=Axelrod |first1=Tal |title=Chelsea Manning subpoenaed for testimony in Julian Assange probe: reports |url=https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/432320-chelsea-manning-subpoenaed-for-testimony-in-julian-assange-probe-reports/ |website=The Hill |access-date=18 March 2025 |ref=1}}
OmegaOrderable (talk) 09:59, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}} (but I also moved the period inside the quotation because it was part of the original quotation). 1101 (talk) 11:06, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
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