Talk:Detention of Rümeysa Öztürk#Existing section

@WhoIsCentreLeft, there was (and still is) an extensive existing section on Rümeysa Öztürk at the article Activist deportations in the second Trump presidency before you created this page. Several editors and myself spent a significant amount of time working on it. Did you read through any of that before creating this article from scratch? It would be good if the tone and content of the section and this article were better harmonized. Funcrunch (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:I just linked to this discussion on the activist deportations article as well. Funcrunch (talk) 17:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:I think its better to leave things as they are. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 12:10, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Palestine&diff=1283793328&oldid=1283653143 posted to WikiProject Palestine] for additional input. Funcrunch (talk) 18:12, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

I haven't done a formal tally, but the results of [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Rumeysa+Ozturk%22+OR+%22R%C3%BCmeysa+%C3%96zt%C3%BCrk%22+-youtube+-wikipedia+-twitter+-reddit+-LinkedIn+-instagram+-tiktok+-facebook+-quora+-bluesky+-site%3Ax.com&num=100&lr=lang_en&as_qdr=all&tbs=lr%3Alang_1en this search] appear to show more reliable sites spelling her name as Rumeysa Ozturk, and if that pans out, the title of the article should be changed. Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:American English doesn't really have different versions of letters but Turkish (and many other languages) does. In Turkish, "ö" is not "o", it's a different letter. If we know the correct spelling of her name, and we do, let's continue to use it. "Reliable sites" may have unreliable stylesheets.Pascalulu88 (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:: That's actually not how it works at Wikipedia. Whatever the title ends up being, it will be determined by consensus applying Wikipedia policies and guidelines like WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISHTITLE, and not on editor opinion about what the "correct spelling" is. (What is the correct spelling of Novak Djokovic?) They call for using the name given in the preponderance of reliable *English* sources. I am not sure what "unreliable stylesheets" means but there is no carve-out that I am aware of in the guidelines for anything like that; if you know of one please link it. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Well, apparently right now the consensus is that the correct spelling be used in the title of the article. I don't think that journalistic haste or indifference on the part of writers in otherwise reliable sources is necessarily any better than using the actual native spelling. There are cases, though, where somebody deliberately simplifies spelling of their name to cater to American provincialism, e.g. Ernst Křenek became Ernst Krenek voluntarily when he moved to the States.

:::People do come to Wikipedia to be informed about things that they did not know before. The most popular ideas about scientific subjects don't get preference over facts or professionally accepted theories in our articles on medicine or physics. Pascalulu88 (talk) 11:59, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:::: Consensus has not yet been established. We must base our decisions about article titles on policy, not on private notions about correct spelling, or about overriding reliable sources. I have responded in more detail at your Talk page as there are non-content issues involved. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:07, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::The way that names are actually spelled is not a private notion. It's not my or your "private notion" that Paul Valéry is spelled "Valéry" and not "Valery." If you want to have a consensus established on the title for the article, perhaps you should request a vote on the issue. Pascalulu88 (talk) 02:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

This article has errors such as a run-on sentence and inconsistent spelling of the subject's name. These issues should be addressed. Kdammers (talk) 00:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

This got a dedicated xkcd comic: https://xkcd.com/3081/ 2003:DE:F1C:400:7C87:A9B4:A253:61A6 (talk) 15:39, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I am hoping that the following will be seen as an attempt to improve the sourcing of this page, and not as taking sides in the underlying political issues. I have opinions about those, but this is not the place for them.

This article uses the following as sources:

• https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2025/04/rumeysa-ozturk-describes-detainment-poor-conditions-at-ice-detention-center-in-declaration

• https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2025/04/students-walk-out-at-ballou-to-demand-release-of-rumeysa-ozturk

but for some reason does not link to the editorial that Rümeysa Öztürk co-authored The Tufts Daily -- the very editorial that ICE claims supports Hamas:

• https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

I would note that the word "Hamas" is not found or implied in the above document. I even opened every link in the document. Most did not mention Hamas at all, and the one that did (From the International Court of Justice) did not "support Hamas" but rather says

:"The Court begins by recalling the immediate context in which the present case came before it. On 7 October 2023, Hamas and other armed groups present in the Gaza Strip carried out an attack in Israel, killing more than 1,200 persons, injuring thousands and abducting some 240 people, many of whom continue to be held hostage. Following this attack, Israel launched a large-scale military operation in Gaza, by land, air and sea, which is causing massive civilian casualties, extensive destruction of civilian infrastructure and the displacement of the overwhelming majority of the population in Gaza"

That is clearly a factual claim about the attacks and the Israeli response to the attacks, not support for Hamas.

In my opinion, the original Tufts Daily editorial should be prominently linked to in the lead. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2025 (UTC)