Talk:Elfern/GA1

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 10:50, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

{{tq|Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.}}

• {{tq|It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria}} -
• {{tq|It contains copyright infringements}} - [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=1&title=Elfern Copyvio comes up clean] Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• {{tq|It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}).}} - no CNs Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• {{tq|It is not stable due to edit warring on the page.}} - No signs of edit warring Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Lede is very lacking. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• "An old game that's very easy and enjoyable" - hardly WP:NPOV is it? Also not attributed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• also known as Eilfern, Figurenspiel or Elfmandeln - probably better as a note Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• , is a very old - not encyclopaedic. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• German and Austrian 6-card, - Infobox says German. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• Could the lede sentence specifically say this is a card game? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• French-suited Piquet pack or German-suited Skat pack - WP:SEAOFBLUE Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• The object is to win the majority of the 20 honours: the Ace, King, Queen, Jack and Ten in a Piquet pack or the Ace, King, Ober, Unter and Ten in a Skat pack. - what? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• yet it is still played by German children - competively? Surely it's played by anyone who knows the rules... Is there a community for this, or? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• Lede needs a little more, and much better wording Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

• Elfern is a primitive German game - put card game in there. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
• Should we just assume we know who Hammer is? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• "played in many parts of Germany, albeit not very commonly" - is this quote important? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• in 1862, as "the simplest drinking game", the winner of the majority of honours, earning the "right of drinking from the glasses of his opponents." - this will need some better explination. I have no idea what this means. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• When mentioning a person, you should use their full name on the first mention, such as David Parlett Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• Although Parlett states that the game was "not recorded before the nineteenth century", - huh? The previous sentence talks about it being referenced in the 1700s. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• It is still played by German children. - As per lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• Elfern, formerly also called Eilfern, is German for "playing Elevens", and Elfmandeln is Austrian and Bavarian German for "eleven little men". - the word "translate" should be in here somewhere. Should also link Bavarian German. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• Thus both names - "thus" is more like WP:OR. Does the cite say this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• . Figurenspiel is also German and can be roughly translated as "honours game - outside of the lede, this name isn't used, it needs to be stated. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
• This name evidently refers to the fact that only the court cards plus aces and tens contribute to the score - OR again. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

:GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.
2. :a (prose, spelling, and grammar): {{GAList/check|n}} b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): {{GAList/check|y}}
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4. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
5. :a (reference section): {{GAList/check|y}} b (citations to reliable sources): {{GAList/check|y}} c (OR): {{GAList/check|n}} d (copyvio and plagiarism): {{GAList/check|y}}
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7. It is broad in its coverage.
8. :a (major aspects): {{GAList/check|n}} b (focused): {{GAList/check|n}}
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10. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
11. :Fair representation without bias: {{GAList/check|n}}
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13. It is stable.
14. :No edit wars, etc.: {{GAList/check|y}}
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16. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
17. :a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): {{GAList/check|}} b (appropriate use with suitable captions): {{GAList/check|n}}
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19. Overall:
20. :Pass/Fail: {{GAList/check|n}}
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• Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definately not manditory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
• Sadly, this won't pass. I'll add a few more comments above which you should take a look at. The crux of this fail is that I couldn't find a sentence that I was happy with for the first three paragraphs. I feel this article is far too close to the subject for it to be a GA, it needs to be readable by all. I'd suggest editing as per the above advice, and giving it a copyedit before re-nominating. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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