Talk:Farsightedness#Requested move 25 May 2025

{{requested move/dated|Hyperopia}}

:Farsightedness → {{no redirect|Hyperopia}} – Nearsightedness was recently moved to Myopia [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1187972170#Requested_move_25_November_2023] as it is the more commonly used medical term (as per WP:MEDTITLE), so this would make the articles a matching pair.

Doing a similar test of "term + LASIK" on google scholar:

• 15,900 hits for "hyperopia LASIK"
• 12,100 hits for "hypermetropia LASIK"
• 1,030 hits for "farsightedness LASIK"
• 216 hits for "far-sightedness LASIK" (the old title for this article before it was moved to farsightedness)

Hypermetropia is also a reasonable contender, but less common from what I found, on google scholar overall (ie. without including LASIK) it had 21,500 results to hyperopia's 55,000. However, if someone can find solid evidence that it is more prevalent, I would be supportive of that change instead. LQ192 (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 09:42, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

• oppose farsightedness [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&q=farsightedness&btnG= google scholar] almost 20,000 hits--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:02, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Many of those hits were not related to opthamology or even medicine. When I searched only 3 of first 10 were, and 2 of those letters to the editor for the same article. That should be all the more reason to make the article title specific. Also, hyperopia alone gets 55,000 hits on [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C10&q=hyperopia&btnG= scholar], of which only 1 of the first 10 wasn't in a medical journal. LQ192 (talk) 11:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
• {{strikethrough|Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME}} IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 00:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC) {{strikethrough|Neutral, I still think farsighted is the more common term however LQ brought up a good point that {{tq|"Farsightedness is also a less specific term... there is even another farsightedness article on wikipedia (in game theory) and many/most of the results I was given on scholar were for this definition, not the opthamology one."}}}} IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 18:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC) Oppose based on Berchanhimez’s reasoning.IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 22:12, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
• :By that definition, myocardial infarction should be titled heart attack, and myopia short-sightedness, but as per WP:MEDTITLE we use the most common medical term instead. LQ192 (talk) 11:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::MEDTITLE is a subject specific guideline while common name is site wide. Also MEDTITLE talks about what’s used in literature, not just about if the term is medical or not. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 20:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::Yes, exactly, and this is a medical article? Also, as I mentioned above, hyperopia and hypermetropia are used far more in medical literature than farsightedness by any metric I could find. If you can find a metric that shows farsightedness to be more prevalent in the literature than please do share it, but there are more hits for hyperopia on scholar, on clinicalkey (searching textbooks), or my institutions internal library search (there are only 24 items containing farsightedness under opthamology, and over 5000 with hyperopia under opthamology). LQ192 (talk) 03:21, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::If we are comparing this article to MI then the reasoning behind not changing MI to heart attack was the confusion around the term “heart attack” which i’m not sure is a thing with farsightedness. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 20:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::Farsightedness is also a less specigic term, as howard mentioned belo, it has other definitions, and there is even another farsightedness article on wikipedia (in game theory) and many/most of the results I was given on scholar were for this definition, not the opthamology one. LQ192 (talk) 03:26, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::::Interesting, I didn't know this. I would recommend posting this to WP:MED for more input, but for now I'm going to change my vote to neutral. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 18:56, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Hyperopia is not nearly as common a word, even if it might be annoying for people. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:47, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME: Google Scholar provides more than double the amount of hits for hyperopia. "Hyperopia" is also the title used by [https://www.britannica.com/science/hyperopia Britannica]. It is also worth noting that the article was originally called Hyperopia before it was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hyperopia&oldid=732170652 moved in 2016 without any discussion] (or at least none I can find). Another point is that farsightedness can also refer to "the ability to anticipate and plan for the future" [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/farsightedness per MW] (Hyperopia is only provided as the second definition), so WP:PRECISION is also relevant here. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 11:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
• Note: WikiProject Medicine/Ophthalmology task force and WikiProject Medicine have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 09:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nominator. Rafts of Calm (talk) 10:49, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, because plain English helps readers, and https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Farsightedness indicates that people arriving here are getting to the article they actually want to read. (@MGerlach (WMF), the percentages are broken in Wikinav. The incoming sources of ==Reader Navigation== views add up to more than 100%.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:31, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. I understand that this goes against MEDTITLE. But we are not a medical resource - we are a resource for the public. MEDTITLE is great for things where the medical term for something is decently well known and used, even if there may be an even more well known/used term. An example of this is the clap, which correctly is a redirect to gonorrhea. Likewise, myopia is a common and well known term for near-sightedness. This makes sense, since myopia is significantly more common than farsightedness. This can be seen in how those terms have gone beyond the medical field - for example, the first result for "farsightedness" in Google Scholar is [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268116300956 this article] (for me at least). It uses the terms "myopic" and "farsighted" - not "myopic"/"hyperopic" or "nearsighted"/"farsighted".{{pb}}There's also the following: [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/itor.12858 "myopia"/"farsightedness"], [https://arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=183814 "myopia"/"farsightedness"], and more. To be clear, I am well aware that these are not medical articles. But the terms they use are based on the terms used in the medical field. Most of our readers are regular people, who have no medical training. They may know the term "myopia" because many people have near-sightedness. But they are not likely to know "hyperopia". These articles all show that even when the "medical term" is used for nearsightedness, the "common term" is still used for farsightedness, because "hyperopia" is not as recognizable. From my quick search, it appears that the "myopia"/"farsightedness" (or minor variations) is common in many different fields - computer science, game theory/psychology, political discourse, etc.{{pb}}So if nothing else, I think this is a clear case of ignoring the guideline because it's better for the readers. Another essay that hits me here is readers first - it would be doing a disservice to our readers to title an article a less recognizable term for the majority of the readers just because of what it's called in a few tens of thousands of scientific articles they have never read. And it's not like this is an "unscientific" term (as "the clap" is). It's just not the technical term. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 20:44, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose and think the myopia move was questionable as well. Simple, accessible, accurate; Wikipedia is written for the general reader. This case is more clear-cut though; while "myopic" is used in casual English (generally as an insult), nobody users "hyperopic" as an attack on the overly long-term focused or the like. SnowFire (talk) 14:49, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
• Support per COMMONNNAME, MEDTITLE. This is a clear case where the common, accurate {{em|medical}} term should be used—much like myopia, myocardial infarction, influenza—even if a more common term is used by the general public. Certainly farsightedness and hypermetropia should redirect here.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)