Talk:Francis Pangilinan#Proposed move to "Kiko Pangilinan"

As I read this article, I was fairly pleased with its content. It had many interesting things to say about Pangilinan.

However, some phrases were far too clearly POV, see for example:

• "He remained an active organizer of multi-sectoral groups fighting for the return of decency, competence, and accountability to national leadership."
• "The program established him as an intelligent, articulate, working, and involved lawyer and a media personality"
• "It was during his college years at the University of the Philippines when his sense of nationalism deepened. "

These evaluations of his goals and his character are fairly straightforward pro-Pangilinan POV. Stay away from evaluations; present facts instead. It is, however, quite acceptable to show polls in which the public evaluates a person. For example, it is not good practice to say that Pangasinan is hard-working. If, however, a reputable newspaper conducted a popular poll in which xx% of Filipinos described him as hard-working, that is perfectly acceptable.

I am fairly certain that he must have some detractors, since every political candidate has opponents. While the positive statements about Pangilinan were mostly within tolerable limits, there was no mention of criticism whatsoever.

The truly fatal detail, however, is the lack of adequate sourcing. Only three references, all from biographical websites, is not nearly enough.

I strongly suggest that the editors of this article start finding newspaper articles to back up the facts presented herein. I also suggest that some of his opponents' views be show, to avoid POV concerns.

The ending section was skimpy and delved a bit farther into pro-Pangilinan POV than other sections. The list of his siblings in the beginning is trivial & could probably be deleted.

See WP:WIAGA

--Ling.Nut 11:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Phrases such as "He believes in active citizenship that is why...", "he saw the need to unite and develop...", and "committed to strong, principled leadership..." smack of self-marketing. Jekjek 15:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

:Well said. If you think this was NPOV at its worst, I suggest that you take a look at articles about Philippine actors/actresses, TV shows and movies...most of these are an editor's nightmare, compounded by ultra-rabid fans who are easily offended by good-natured efforts (I've had my fair share of name-calling and four-letter words :I ) to clean-up the article. --- Tito Pao 15:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Kiko was elected today.

--Florentino floro 05:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I added this, since this is the greatest moment in his career. Jelac is first in Philippine history. Judicial Executive Legislative Advisory and Consultative Council (JELAC) was the brainchild of Kiko Pangilinan, first proposed on the July 16-17, 2007 Manila Hotel Summit on Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines.[http://www.gmanews.tv/story/94881/Govt-forms-JELACC-to-boost-tripartite-relations gmanews.tv/story, Gov't forms Jelac to boost tripartite relations] --Florentino floro (talk) 11:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Can this article move to "Kiko Pangilinan"? The name "Kiko Pangilinan" is widely used during the Leni Robredo 2022 presidential campaign, such as campaign posters. KTerPalmers (talk) 05:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

:@KTerPalmers You need to add subst:Requested move (with {{ }}) above the text to actually request the move. TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

{{requested move/dated|Kiko Pangilinan}}

:Francis Pangilinan → {{no redirect|Kiko Pangilinan}} – The known name. More people know his nickname and his nickname is plastered in election posters and websites. I'm also doing this move for the topic above mine which states that his nickname is widely used in campaign posters in his vice presidential campaign. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 08:39, 13 May 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 03:45, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support Per WP:COMMONNAME, similar to Migz Zubiri. _signed, Pat ^talk 09:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:Note: Tambayan Philippines has been notified of this discussion. HueMan1 (talk) 11:52, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. For politician and sportspeople nickname in the Philippines, my "baseline" is if people do not know the actual birthname. For example, Panfilo Lacson, while known as Ping Lacson, is still known by his birthname. As opposed to guys like Paolo Benigno, Christopher Lawrence, Victor Ma. Regis, Maria Josefina Tanya, and unlike Migz Zubiri, which should be moved back to Juan Miguel Zubiri. Our exception seems to be the current president Bongbong Marcos. People still know this guy's name to be Francis. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• :@Howard the Duck: Can you explain the exception, please? Most media outlets and government sources refer to him as President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. Also, can you cite specific Wikipedia policies or guidelines that support your argument, please? Thanks. _signed, Pat ^talk 13:00, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::Talk:Bongbong Marcos has archives of several move attempts, the latest being this. This split in mostly national lines, with foreigners calling for the birth name, while locals for the nickname. I personally voted to defer, but even in 2025, he's still known as Bongbong. In local media, which is predominantly in English, almost always refers to the president as "Bongbong". Only state media calls him "Ferdinand R. Marcos Jr.", and other media calls him by his birth name if the occassion calls for formality. Now, as for my analogy, everyone knows Bongbong is "Ferdinand Marcos Jr.", but most people still call him "Bongbong".
• ::As for the specific Wikipedia policies and guidelines, amazingly, it's the same as yours, WP:NC. Francis Pangilinan is still refered to as "Francis" in [https://www.manilatimes.net/2025/05/13/news/national/pangilinan-hopeful-vows-to-respect-poll-results/2111473 local] [https://www.inquirer.net/442424/go-aquino-delal-rosa-top-senate-race-in-partial-unofficial-results/ media]. That last one is telling, as it calls Paolo Beningo as "Bam" but Ping, Bato and Kiko were referred to as Panfilo, Ronald and Francis. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::"Most media outlets and government sources refer to him as President Ferdinand Marcos Jr." LOL if this was on an article, I would have slapped this with {{tl|fact}}. [https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/945556/impeachment-bid-vs-bongbong-marcos-baseless-palace/story/ B][https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/635367/imee-marcos-walks-offstage-before-vp-saras-rant-on-bbm-at-carcar-rally o][https://www.onenews.ph/bongbong-marcos-won-t-bar-execs-from-attending-imee-probe n][https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2025/04/17/2436684/marcos-jr-approval-trust-ratings-plunge-saras-numbers-rise g][https://bilyonaryo.com/2025/04/04/trade-wars-map-urges-bongbong-marcos-to-form-special-council-in-response-to-trumps-17-tariff/trade/ b][https://www.inquirer.net/427149/marcos-makes-pitch-for-partido-federal-candidates/ o][https://verafiles.org/articles/teresita-de-lima-and-her-edsa-story n][https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/02/13/22/bongbong-marcos-leads-new-pulse-asia-poll-for-presl-race g]. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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