Talk:Gene Hackman

They were found dead, but no source mentions when they were last seen alive. 186.2.155.76 (talk) 09:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:@186.2.155.76 pretty reclusive.. there's a photo circulating online with multiple sources using it as the last photo of the couple seen alive ... publicly....mentioning it was taken last year at a restaurant.. no date given Toastt21 (talk) 14:17, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

::Many news articles are now stating that he had been dead for at least a day. I think it’s best to change the date of death to the 25th. 166.199.99.3 (talk) 18:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:::At least a day before.

:::But, given the description of the bodies that has been published (bloated and hands and feet partially mummified in both bodies), it's highly unlikely that they died less than 3-5 days (possibly more) before they were found.

:::The neighbours hadden't seen them for 2-3 weeks. Pat2dv (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:Agree. Just put Feb 2025 until date is determined.  – Mark K Adams (talk) 05:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::How do you know it's February and not January? The wife was a partial mummy. Let's consider using the February 26 date but as " ... - February 26, 2025 (body discovered)" or something similar. ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:50, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Even better. Actual date of death might only be approximated by the medical examiner(s). The way he and his wife died seems absolutely bizarre.  – Mark K Adams (talk) 07:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

We would need autopsies to get a more accurate date of death, as of now not even the authorities know the exact time of death. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

:In which case the lead should not give a specific date: will change it to simply February, with no date, until a medic suggests a legally valid date. Kevin McE (talk) 00:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

• The article currently says he was seen two weeks ago, all of which is in February, so I think "February" is okay for now, until the ME weighs in. 331dot (talk) 13:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Authorities now saying “several days, possibly even up to a couple weeks.” Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:ABC News is saying that he died on February 17. 2600:1000:B19D:102C:AC01:EFB4:32DB:A6B3 (talk) 22:32, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

::The sheriff is saying that the "likely" date of death is February 17. Wikipedia should be accurate. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqlyy1rld0ko Recommend changing the lede to "... - c. February 17, 2025" not " ... - February 17, 2025" ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Agreed. Coasterghost (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

The last event triggered on has pacemaker was 11:14 am on February 17, 2025. that is the day and time he died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:A022:5B49:D52A:AD4E:1AB8:54AC (talk) 16:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Why are we questioning his pacemaker? Are they often wrong? Are they ever wrong? Usually? Hardly ever? Sometimes? Once in a while? In a blue moon? They run on & on by themselves? They go wild? Bananas? The heart keeps going when they stop? For hours? Days? Weeks? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:06, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Seems like a reasonable assumption.... but we generally wait for experts to analyze the evidence.... Autopsy report will be out soon. Moxy🍁 01:35, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Saying that he died on the day when the last pacemaker event was on some day, without providing a reference for the whole statement, would be an "own investigation", or how it is called in English... So unless there is a source saying something like "seems he died on that day because of pacemaker", we should not mix these two statements ("died on day XXX" and "last event on his pacemaker")... Pato Yapuq (talk) 17:12, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

::What amazing power we Wikipedians have over the life stories of famous people! When we please, we can ignore obvious facts published in reliable sources. For no other obvious reason than power. Wowee - we're so great! SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

:::At the press conference today, the medical examiner(?) said that he died on the 18th. Finnishneat (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

::::what that means is no later than the 18th as decomposition was more than a week old likely the data of the pacemaker is the correct date. 2600:1015:A022:5B49:1C60:BEA4:3F7:C003 (talk) 23:24, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• I found an article here from a reputable source that explains it was estimated so I think circa apparently applies? https://consequence.net/2025/03/gene-hackman-cause-of-death/ WereWolf (talk) 02:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

::https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/santa-fe-county-sheriffs-office-to-provide-update-on-deaths-of-gene-hackman-and-wife/ WereWolf (talk) 03:19, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:::https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:42, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:::https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officials-provide-critical-update-in-gene-hackman-death-investigation/ar-AA1AtFYA

Date of Death for Betsy Arakawa is still evolving based on phone records. Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office is still looking at the cell phones that were recovered and ABC news reported that she made phone calls on Feb 12.

"The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office also said Friday that Arakawa called a personalized medical service three times on Feb. 12."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/gene-hackman-dog-cause-of-death/story?id=119814990 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.74.87.47 (talk) 03:16, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

To add to the above, the doctor that spoke to Betsy has been identified and interviewed. Claims she had made an appointment by phone on February 12th for that afternoon but did not come in. They tried calling back several times. This doctor also doubts the hantavirus conclusion as the appointment was unrelated to respiratory problems and she didn't seem stressed. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14503343/Gene-Hackman-wife-Betsy-doctor.html

Why is the term mudroom used for where Gene was found? It seems to be a lobby/foyer. I have never ever heard the term mudroom before. "Mudroom" redirects to lobby and the lobby article text doesn't even mention the term "mudroom". So why not call it a lobby? 70.161.8.90 (talk) 13:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:The term "lobby" isn't typically used in the context of houses. Seinfeld429 (talk) 13:27, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Seinfeld429}} Neither is mudroom, virtually never. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::Speak for yourself. I grew up in a house with a lobby, and my current one has one too. But mudroom is common in the country. In England, the boot room is the connection between outside and in. The sources use mudroom, as far as I can tell. Guy (help! - typo?) 21:21, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Mudroom is the term used by the news media. Yes it's a kind of entryway and lobby. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:36, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:As long as the word is not found anywhere in the redirect article, there is no justification for it here, regardless of what some news reports used. We are here to promote clarity, not cause confusion. If anyone insists it be used, add if to the lobby article first and source that addition! I have been an American since 1955, have taught English for decades, and never heard of a "mudroom". I'm certainly not unique in that. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah. I also wonder what it means. Evidently, it is some type of entrance hall, hallway, vestibule, boot room, but there are differences between USA and Europe, and some countries specifically... According to AI, it seems that mudroom in very general is a room used to put out the shoes (and cloaks, etc.), room to separate "unclean" and "clean" parts of the house/flat, in cases where it is used, e.g. by taking of one's shoes (I suppose there is a term in Japanese as well). This is somehow unusual in the USA, so that might be why the colleague above asked about it. In addition, it seems that the US mudrooms might be larger, contain a wash machine, etc., I even saw a kitchen/stove on some images, which would not probably be the case in Europe, etc.

:In summary, I believe that this is a term different from lobby, WD item lobby, entrance hall, entryway..., so it should be a different WD item.. Maybe it is like entrance hall ~ Hausflur.. and maybe some other WD item... that should be created or that I did not find it...

:And more generally, I am not sure how to approach it within Wikidata... Is mudroom a type of lobby? Or vice versa? Or are they on the same level? And should the Austrian Vorzimmmer (German, probably Hausflur), Czech předsíň (formally the same as Vorzimmer, i.e. for-room) be considered the same in langs, within the same WD item, or does it differ?

:--Pato Yapuq (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::@Pato Yapuq

::what term does the police report use? That should be used in this article, unless somebody has have real knowledge of that house. L.Willms (talk) 17:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::: Yeah.. The police uses mudroom. But what is it? Seems that at least someone (above) had to ask... It seems to be a term that many (native!) speakers of English do not understand... And unfortunately, there is no wiki page that would explain it... Obviously, it is not a lobby.. Maybe something like entrance hall... but this has only one page in German... I did not look for other possible WD items, but either there is already something that means mudroom, or that item is missing... And, more complicated, what should be considered, within WD, synonyms (with local variations) and what should have deferent WD records? Pato Yapuq (talk) 04:22, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

::::https://apnews.com/article/gene-hackman-death-betsy-arakawa-investigation-c94b2cb4d5d7aec9a1a39a81b46dbdf9 WereWolf (talk) 09:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

::::https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mudroom --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:13, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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...last seen in public in March 2023

He was seen in public after that. That appearance in March 23 was one of his last appearances but not THE last. That was in April 24 as far as I can tell. See here: https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/entertainment/gene-hackman-94-spotted-in-new-photos-wearing-nearly-identical-outfit-from-weeks-earlier/

And another thing:

...his stomach had been completely empty, indicating he had not eaten for days, likely due to his mental condition

That's not what was stated during the press conference. The chief medical examiner Dr. Heather Jarrell said during the press conference that the empty stomach means he didn't eat for a couple of hours before his death. She didn't say days. I mean it's possible he hadn't eaten for days but we don't know that. And it's not what was said in the press conference. Food only stays in the stomach for a couple of hours. When somebody has his last meal at noon and then dies in the evening the stomach will probably also be empty for example. Tolmount (talk) 22:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:The claim he had not eaten in days is unsourced; other sources in that section don't say that. 331dot (talk) 23:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

::Exactly. That's why it shouldn't be in the article. The italic parts in my request are quotes from the article. Tolmount (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

::* The source after that text does not cover that, so I removed it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gene_Hackman&diff=1279515763&oldid=1279492540 here]. Thanks -Fnlayson (talk) 01:22, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

::https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2025/03/07/gene-hackman-cause-of-death-wife/80684790007/

::"Investigators were unclear how Hackman spent his last days. Jarrell said the autopsy showed that Hackman hadn't eaten recently, but that he did not suffer from dehydration."

::I'm no source expert but I maybe wrong TheSupremeMoron (talk) 01:47, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

::: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Cite_web&redirect=no WereWolf (talk) 02:06, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

:::* That link does not work. It probably should be Template:Cite web. What is are you trying to do with this? -Fnlayson (talk) 02:39, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*:Because I live in New Mexico and I just moved back from a different city and I just found my iPad. It’s that simple. WereWolf (talk) 12:17, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*::I literally immediately started to research when I found out that Gene Hackman lived in New Mexico. I had no idea. I don’t even think he knew where he was. I just started watching and using my mom and I just found out. I have to use my iPad. I don’t have a desktop. WereWolf (talk) 12:18, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*:::Trust me the Royal Tenenbaulms is one of my favorite movies ever I am extremely upset WereWolf (talk) 12:20, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*::::Tenenbaums sorry WereWolf (talk) 01:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

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