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Talk:Interstate 485/GA1

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:This review is transcluded from Talk:Interstate 485/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: {{User|NoobThreePointOh}} 00:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Bneu2013 (talk · contribs) 00:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Starting review. Bneu2013 (talk) 00:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

:I'll probably only be able to respond to the review around the 16th since I'm on vacation right now. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 04:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think this article is ready in its current state. Some comments below.

;Infobox and lead

  • "Beltway around Charlotte, NC" is unconventional for a short description. For auxiliary Interstates, we would normally use something like "Interstate Highway in Charlotte, North Carolina, United States. Also, spell out "North Carolina".
  • Per WP:LEADCITE, {{tq|The entire route lies within Mecklenburg County.}} needs a citation either here or elsewhere.
  • Use the date that the numbering was approved by AASHTO as the establishment date. This information can be found [https://grmservices.grmims.com/vsearch/portal/public/na4/aashto/default here]. Also include this information in the history section.

;Route description

  • Link first uses of all numbered routes.
  • Cut {{tq|The segment of I-485 from here to I-85 is the latest segment of the Interstate, completed in 2015.}}; this is covered in the history section.
  • Cut {{tq|The interchange ramps were closed as part of a project to build express lanes along I-485 on August 1, 2023.}} and move to history section if necessary.
  • Use {{para|Convert}} for all precise mileage figures.
  • This isn't necessary if the current citations are adequate, but we usually use maps such as road atlases or ones provided by the respective DOT for route descriptions.
  • Third paragraph in "Orientation and signage" is not cited. Also suggest combining second and third paragraphs in this section and rewording as necessary.
  • Unclear if the inner-outer system has always been used on I-485.
  • Cut any other information that is irrelevant to this section.

;History

  • Missing information about the background and planning of the route.
  • Since practically all of this route was built after the National Environmental Policy Act, it was most certainly subject to multiple environmental impact studies. I strongly suggest including information about these studies; as a bonus, an EIS will usually provide information about the planning and background of the project. Most of these are available on Google Books, the Northwestern University Transportation Library, HathiTrust, and other sources.
  • The first section opened around 1967, yet planning for the outerbelt didn't begin until 1975? Was the first section intended to be part of a different route? Clarification is needed for this.
  • Per WP:SUMMARY there are too many short paragraphs. I suggest combining them into longer paragraphs in order to ensure no more than four paragraphs per section in most instances. This is the formula I followed with Interstate 40 in Tennessee (an FA) and other road articles I have promoted to GA. Single sentence paragraphs like {{tq|In 1975, planning began for the Charlotte outerbelt.}} are especially discouraged.
  • Suggest saying that the Governor and transportation secretary officiated the groundbreaking ceremony.
  • Add the dates that work began on each section or the contract was awarded, if available.
  • The entire widening project most certainly did not take place entirely in May 1999. Add the start and finish dates for the project. Ditto "October 19, 2004".
  • Reword {{tq|NCDOT could not immediately deal with the issue thanks to a 2000 policy that prevented the state using trust fund money}} to less opiniated language.
  • {{tq|had begun the right-of-way acquisition phase with contracts awarded in June 2010.}} - Right-of-way is usually acquired before construction contracts are awarded. This needs to be clarified.
  • I suggest splitting this section into subsections about initial construction and post-construction activities (widenings, new interchanges, etc.), although I am aware the latter began before the route was completed. You will likely end up with a separate subsection for planning too.
  • Rearrange sentences about future interchanges to include the grading first, followed by the opening date.
  • I'm seeing a number of redundancies and ambiguities throughout this section. For example {{tq|In 2003, the last 12.5 miles (20.1 km) needed to link main I-485 to its northern stub was completed, at a cost of $55.4 million (equivalent to $88 million in 2023[48]). Opening in two phases, the first 7.5-mile (12.1 km) segment opened on September 3, 2003, between University City Boulevard and NC 27 (Albemarle Road); two months later, the second five-mile (8.0 km) segment opened on November 19, between Albemarle Road and Lawyers Road.}} No need to mention "2003" or "the last 12.5 miles" in the first sentence, although I do wonder if both sections were planned to open at the same time. Suggest rewording to something like "The 7.5-mile (12.1 km) segment between University City Boulevard and NC 27 (Albemarle Road) opened on September 3, 2003. On November 19, 2003, the adjacent five-mile (8.0 km) segment extending to Lawyers Road opened. This linked main I-485 (specify what "main I-485" is) to its northern stub.
  • {{tq|seven-mile (11 km) segment was noted that it would relieve traffic along the Billy Graham Parkway and provide an alternative route to Charlotte Douglas International Airport.}} - did these benefits come to fruition?
  • No mention of the I-85/485 interchange project; I see citations for this elsewhere. I also suggest moving information about congestion at this interchange from the route description here.

;Future

  • The toll lanes had likely been planned before November 18, 2011, since that is the date the article was published.
  • {{tq|At a cost of $202.9 million, the 16.6-mile (26.7 km) I-485 Express Lanes project will establish new toll lanes along its entire planned route.}} - "its entire planned route" is ambiguous.
  • {{tq|Construction was slated to begin "tentatively" in mid-2018, and is currently still going on as of 2024.}} - did construction start in mid-2018?
  • I suggest making this a subsection of the history section, and retitling it to something like "Toll lane construction".

;Exit list

  • If you can find a better source than Google Maps for mileposts, this is preferred. Also, this source only covers roughly the western third of I-485.
  • Citations needed for future interchanges.

;References and images

  • Several citations are dead and/or incomplete.
  • Images are awkwardly bunched together. Suggest alternating orientations.
  • Align images to where the photo of the reassurance marker appears in the "Orientation and signage" section. Reword caption to something like "A reassurance marker displayed on I-485 outbound near Matthews. As a complete beltway, I-485 uses the inner–outer directional system."

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