Talk:Jewish Bolshevism#Trotsky image

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The article currently includes the quote "At least 80 percent of all Bolshevik leaders are thought to be Jews" from the book Nordic Fascism: Fragments of an Entangled History by Nicola Archer and Markus Lundström. This quote is currently misrepresented as a factual statement regarding the composition of Bolshevik leadership.

However, in the book, this quote is used to illustrate the kind of antisemitic propaganda spread by fascist movements, not as an assertion of fact by the authors themselves. The authors are critically examining how such unfounded claims were employed by Nordic fascists and other far-right groups to fuel antisemitic narratives.

Proposed Correction:

Replace the current statement with:

"The quote 'At least 80 percent of all Bolshevik leaders are thought to be Jews' is presented in Nordic Fascism: Fragments of an Entangled History as an example of antisemitic propaganda used by fascist groups, rather than as a factual claim about Bolshevik leadership."

This correction accurately reflects the authors' critical perspective and prevents the perpetuation of a historical inaccuracy.

Thank you for considering this edit request. Stephanejgroulx (talk) 15:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

:File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I think you're misunderstanding the sentence that's currently in the article. The statement "at least 80 percent of all Bolshevik leaders are thought to be Jews" isn't presented as a fact in wikivoice, but as a quote attributed to an individual. Your proposed new sentence would remove most of the context that the article currently gives (year, location, speaker, audience, purpose). jlwoodwa (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Footnote 17 is not a reference to the 1922 census.

It's a reference to a book By Herf, Jeffrey ItalicThe Jewish Enemy: Nazi Propaganda During World War II and the Holocaust.Italic

pg. 96

All page 96 does is mention a book by a Pinkus, Benjamin.

And how Pinkus brings up the 1922 census.

Herf gives various statistics and every statistic is a footnote to Benjamin Pinkus' Book.

Footnotes given 13-16.

The following pages of Pinkus' book are footnoted regarding the various statistics: pgs 77-83

You can find this ibid. page 319.

In the book by Benjamin Pinkus The Jews of the Soviet Union: The History of a National Minority 77-83

On page 77 ibid., Pinkus Conflates and Guesses:

"There is not data about the number of members of the Bolhevik Party before 1917 and nothing about the ratio of Jew within it...

If there were something like 23,000 members in the Bolshevik Party at the beginning of 1917 and roughly 1,000 Jews, This means that they constituted less than five per cent of the membership"

Pinkus goes on to list more "statistics"

They are all footnoted on page 334 ibid.

Footnotes 58-63.

Not a single footnote is the 1922 Census.

You either need to footnote the actual census (translated as well) or at the very least remove authors who have made GUESSES to statistics regarding these matters.

Thanks.

1.179.172.45 (talk) 16:39, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

While it may be true that Vladimir Ryzhkov can be considered a historian, it is important to note that he is an opposition politician and a political opponent of Vladimir Putin.

Proposed change (from current):

"According to historian and opposition politician Vladimir Ryzhkov, ..." Vinidapoo (talk) 04:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)