Talk:Jewish terrorism

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is consensus that the proposed title is more common, WP:CONCISE, and WP:CONSISTENT. (closed by non-admin page mover) Cremastra (u — c) 21:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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:Jewish extremist terrorism → {{no redirect|Jewish terrorism}} – This current page title is at odds with the literature on the subject, which in no uncertain terms and without caveats uses the phrase "Jewish terrorism". This is not a controversial or even contested phrase; far from it, it is the only phrase with substantial usage on the subject – see [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Jewish+extremist+violence%2CJewish+terrorism%2C+Jewish+extremist+terrorism&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 Ngrams] and also the [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22Jewish+terrorism%22&btnG= wide array of scholarly literature on the topic] - most of the titles of which speak for themselves. The term is used both as an academic term in the context of history, and as a very present-day term to refer to certain groups within modern Jewish society, as exemplified by the [https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/23/israeli-security-chief-ronen-bar-hilltop-youth-west-bank warning about Jewish terrorism] issued in August 2024 by the Israeli intelligence chief. So this language is neither novel, nor non-current. More broadly, terrorism is extremism by default, so the insertion of "extremist" here (by wiki community invention and intervention) is grossly redundant and tautologous – hence why it finds so little currency among subject-matter experts. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

• Leaning support: We seem to have {{-r|Christian terrorism}} and {{-r|Hindu terrorism}} and {{-r|Islamic terrorism}} as article titles, but this one has "extremist" inserted into it for no clear reason that I can see. The suggested title is more WP:CONCISE and WP:CONSISTENT. As far as I can guess, the extra word is just unnecessary WP:EDITORIALIZING. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Perhaps because "Jewish", unlike Christian, Hindu and Islamic is also an ethnic term. No Tamil terrorism and Basque terrorism, Uyghur terrorism are redirects. Not saying our current structure or naming makes sense, but there is at least a prima facie reason for treating "Jewish" differently from other religous terms. Srnec (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::So yes, this has been pointed out before, but it isn't a reason to ignore the sourcing on the subject and come up with original, unconcise terminology. To look at it from the opposite direction, there is no Tamil, Basque or Uyghur religion, and those identities aren't religion-based, so there is also a reason for different treatment here from these other terms. Iskandar323 (talk) 03:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Comment I’ve generally felt that Islamic terrorism as an article title isn’t right, but I would note that this article links to Jewish fundamentalism when describing Jewish extremism. This isn’t right, as this is simply a religious movement (fundamentalism isn’t the same thing as extremism) and many acts which have been described as Jewish terrorism were committed by secular nationalist groups, for example.

:Rafts of Calm (talk) 20:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Move. "Extremist" is not a precisely defined term. Either all terrorism is extremist, or there is terrorism that is not extremist but we would want to include it anyway. The terrorism is what defines it. Zero^talk 05:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:Support. Succinct, we have Christian terrorism as an article. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)