Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach#Second RfC closed Feb. 22.3B now what.3F

With "Johann Sebastian Bach" in the opening paragraph. Just like it's "Joseph Haydn" and then "Franz Joseph Haydn" in the paragraph. Nobody called him Johann. He was Sebastian. Borges123xyz (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

:Doesn't matter. The majority of secondary reliable sources call him Johann Sebastian Bach, so Wikipedia does too. Aza24 (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

::The preeminent biography of Bach, Christoph Wolff's JS Bach, the learned musician, calls him "Sebastian". Tony (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

:::Yes, but the average person is more likely to know him as "Johann Sebastian Bach," so per WP:COMMONNAME the current title should be kept. Benpiano800 (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:::The biography's title is "Johann Sebastian Bach: The Learned Musician"..... Aza24 (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

::::I've worked at standardizing "Joseph Haydn" on Wikipedia -- but that is different because the reference sources generally call him that. J. S. Bach not so. Opus33 (talk) 05:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::There were quite a few Johanns in the extended family. Indeed about 40% of males had Johann as their first name. Wolff refers to him often as "Sebastian" in the body of his book. Tony (talk) 19:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

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J.S> Bach was born on the 31 March 1685, not 21 March 1685. 212.139.106.57 (talk) 09:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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In the caption under Bach's picture in the right-hand info section, it states, "1746 portrait of Bach, showing him holding a copy of the six-part canon BWV 1076". However, the image portrayed appears to be Portrait Haußmann 1748, as opposed to Haußmann 1746. A quick Google search of "Bach 1746 vs Bach 1748" should show the difference between them. I figured I'd consult the rest of the editors from this page, as I'm new to editing Wikipedia, and didn't want to make possible harmful changes, in the case that I am wrong about this. Thanks! 71.61.31.31 (talk) 00:33, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

:Hi there, you're quite correct and I've fixed the caption. It originally said 1748 for a decade+ but was changed a few weeks ago. Aza24 (talk) 06:31, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks! 65.254.20.34 (talk) 14:21, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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Change Johann Sebastian Bach[n 1] (31 March [O.S. 21 March] 1685 – 28 July 1750) to Johann Sebastian Bach[n 1] (21 March 1685 – 28 July 1750).

The use of 31 March as Bach's birthdate is anachronistic and is neither his established birthdate nor the date he himself would have used in his lifetime. The adjusted Gregorian calendar date of 31 March can be mentioned as a footnote, but it should not be the most prominent date associated with the composer on his Wikipedia page. This error causes some voice assistants to erroneously report his birthday as 31 March, when 21 March is the more accepted, established birthdate and should be the one recognized and celebrated. It should also be noted that most other wikipedia articles on composers or other prominent figures of this time period do not include this OS/NS distinction. Doing so for one of the most famous and important figures of this period is misguided. Lowkeypolymath (talk) 19:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:File:X mark.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template. Remsense ‥ 论 19:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:For an example of how to do this properly for dear JSB, please see the article on Handel, born in the same year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Frideric_Handel Lowkeypolymath (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

::While I'm sure they're equivalent, it's best to focus on the merits in the context of each article and not point to what other articles do; cf. WP:OTHERCONTENT. Remsense ‥ 论 19:51, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

We read "Since the 19th-century Bach Revival, he has been widely regarded as one of the greatest composers in the history of Western music."

Wouldn't it be worth noting that Felix Mendelssohn precipitated this in 1829? That's an important piece of musical history. Charlie Faust (talk) 12:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:As of now at least, the article says this. Perhaps amplify? Or write a separate article about this important event? Note that there is already a paragraph about it in the article about Mendelssohn. Opus33 (talk) 18:58, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

There are uses of the word 'I' in the Counterpoint section where it doesn't appear to be a quote. And some sentences are written in a confusing manner:

"From 1720, when he was thirty-five until he died in 1750, Bach's harmony consists of this melodic interweaving of independent melodies, so perfect in their union that each part seems to constitute the true melody. " Vschwartz37 (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:As stated above it, this is part of a block quotation by Bach's biographer Johann Nikolaus Forkel. Remsense ‥ 论 23:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::Direct translation: "From about 1720, when he was thirty-five, until his death in 1750, Bach's harmony consists in this melodic interweaving of melodies, so perfect in their union that each part seems to constitute the true melody".

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The organ builder Wender died in the 1730s. Bach did play his instrument at the Bach Church in Arnstadt. But since then the organ has been replaced twice, each incorporating just one or two stops from the original. (I was shown organ number 2, and played it, in 1977; yet another organ has replaced that—call it number 3). So the Commons file is incorrectly labelled, and this has worked its way into the article. Tony (talk) 15:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

:German Wikipedia is telling us something like: "Construction of a new organ for the New Church, the successor building to the burned-down Bonifatius Church, today's Johann Sebastian Bach Church." Its likely best to state that this is the recent version of the organ following the one lost to fire damage. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:Another organ played by Bach is in Dresden. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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