Talk:Kanye West#Recent deletions

He said he loves Hitler and said he is a Nazi as recently as last night PrisonedMuffin (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

:Others are free to chime in with their own thoughts, but as for what I have to say, please see prior talk page discussion at Talk:Kanye West/Archive 12#Should Category:American neo-Nazis be added to this page, where there was a consensus that an insufficient number of reliable sources describe West as a neo-Nazi (albeit there are multiple that describe him as a Holocaust denier, hence the presence of :Category:American Holocaust deniers on the page). But until you can find multiple suitable sources by WP:BLP standards that directly describe West as a neo-Nazi, the category should not be included per WP:BLPCAT. JeffSpaceman (talk) 21:56, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

::He has literally tweeted within the last 24 hours that he is a Nazi, he loves Hitler, “HAIL HITLER”, and other antisemitic tweets. He is a neo-Nazi. PrisonedMuffin (talk) 00:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::West calling himself a Nazi seems like an adequate source for him being one. While that's just one source, his own self-identification surely supersedes any potential source would deny that he is one. TKSnaevarr (talk) 00:32, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Agreed. Dude has stated multiple times that he is a Nazi and loves Hitler and that this is “old news”. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and repeatedly states that it’s a duck loudly in capitals on Twitter/X then it’s probably a duck. 194.193.169.6 (talk) 00:34, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::Dude is mentally ill, not a neo-Nazi. Find us sources that refer to him as a neo-Nazi. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::Are you dumb? PrisonedMuffin (talk) 00:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Try to WP:AGF to your fellow contributors and [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/black-psychology-matters/202210/the-self-destruction-of-kanye-west read some things]. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::“Kanye isn’t a neo-Nazi because he’s mentally ill.”

:::::::What kind of logic is this? It’s like you’re excusing his behavior. PrisonedMuffin (talk) 01:22, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::You didn't read my link. I am not excusing his behavior. Find one source that calls Kanye a "neo-Nazi". – Muboshgu (talk) 01:24, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::uhhh Kanye himself?!!! 202.49.186.211 (talk) 01:42, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Kanye West has identified himself as a Nazi multiple times, on various platforms and in interviews, for several years. He has praised Hitler more than once, and made many incredibly antisemitic statements. He is literally the world's most famous and influential Nazi.

:::::::::If the man's own repeated statements aren't valid evidence of what movement he identifies with, what possible "more reliable source" could there be? 199.79.156.50 (talk) 03:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Familiarize yourself with WP:RS. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::What mental illness compels you to repeatedly declare yourself a Nazi? It just seems infantilizing toward West to deny him the agency to declare his own political affiliations, however loathsome they may be. TKSnaevarr (talk) 00:56, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Mania absolutely can explain his behavior. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::[https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/psychosis/causes/#:~:text=The%20underlying%20psychological%20cause%20often,for%20more%20information%20on%20delusions. Bipolar disorder, during manic episodes, can cause grandiose delusions.] I am willing to reckon that Kanye once realised the power that the nazis exerted over people, and since then has identified with them whenever he enters a manic state. This is not necessarily a reflection of his beliefs when he is on mood stabilisers. — Mugtheboss (talk) 00:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::That's pretty demeaning to mentally ill people, we don't randomly become nazis by being off our meds. My guy is a neo nazi and he's mentally ill, the latter didn't cause the former. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 01:02, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::I am not generalizing about mentally ill people. Kanye is bipolar and being influenced in odd ways. None of that can be sourced reliably though because it is his own internal experience. Why do you take his word for it? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:14, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Because he's said it so many times and has become part of his personality at that point it's just him. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 01:22, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I do think that we should get enough reliable sources that call him a Nazi for us to say he is a nazi but what I'm saying is that his mental illness has nothing to do with his political beliefs. The fact he has done has called himself one so many times can not simply be excused by mania. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 02:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::He literally calls himself a Nazi, praises Hitler and openly hates Jews. How is he not a neo-Nazi?! PrisonedMuffin (talk) 01:23, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Please see WP:NOR (and on top of that, WP:BLP) for overviews of relevant policies that contribute to significant portions of why the category's inclusion is disputed. JeffSpaceman (talk) 01:26, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Tweets are not reliable sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:26, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::him calling himself a nazi isn’t a reliable source? 202.49.186.211 (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::If he had called himself Jesus Christ reincarnated, would you take that at his word? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:54, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::If that was the case he would definitely be someone who “believes they are Jesus Christ reincarnated”. At present he is definitely someone who “believes they are a Nazi”. 194.193.169.6 (talk) 02:00, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::If enough RS's call him that then yes but he himself isn't good enough to state on Wikipedia, we go by what RS's say about people not what they say about themselves. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 02:06, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::Jesus is a specific person and merely claiming you are him does not make it so. All it take to be a Nazi is to profess as such. Borges123xyz (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::I think he would be more qualified to call himself a Nazi is he was part of a Nazi group. But I am guessing he would be disqualified by most if not all organized Nazi organizations. I guess he can be a Nazi all by himself but it is definitely less convincing and leans more to a manic episode. 2603:8080:7205:5988:B5F9:3A44:1DF:CF71 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::Strong vote for including him as a neo-Nazi.

:::::You can be mentally and a Nazi; the two are not mutually exclusive.

:::::I think you have to include him, right? It’s interesting… I was listening/watching an interview with Jimmy Wales earlier on the Lex Fridman Podcast about how Jimmy didn’t feel comfortable being listed on “List of atheists” despite being one, as he felt it was more incidental than being an ardent atheist like Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins (for example). Where I think this is different is that Kanye has made multiple assertions for his backing of Nazi ideology, to the point of selling pro-Nazi merch. If he’s not a neo-Nazi at this point, who is? Electricmaster (talk) 06:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Do you have any reliable sources explicitly describing West as a neo-Nazi? If not, the category cannot be added per WP:BLPCAT. JeffSpaceman (talk) 13:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::How 'bout uploading a song called HH in which he says, quote, "heil Hitler?" Zebrahhh (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Proof: https://soundcloud.com/logan-paul-167395938/heil Zebrahhh (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::plus https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heil_Hitler_(song)&oldid=1290130287 Zebrahhh (talk) 00:45, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::It proves that he sure loves attention, regardless of how he gets it. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::The following statement is unfalsifiable: "That person is not what they have claimed for years to be, they are just saying that for attention and/or due to mental illness." john factorial (talk) 21:44, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::::: Here are the requested sources establishing the obvious - that Kanye west has declared himself a nazi many times for several years:

:::::: * [https://www.timesofisrael.com/self-described-nazi-rapper-kanye-west-releases-new-song-titled-heil-hitler/ The Times of Israel labels him 'self-described Nazi', quotes him "I became a Nazi, yeah, bitch." groups the article under categories "American Nazis" and "neo-Nazis" ]

:::::: * [https://www.adl.org/resources/article/ye-kanye-west-what-you-need-know ADL quotes him 'I am a Nazi', citations go back at least 3 years]

:::::: * [https://www.newsweek.com/kanye-west-proclaims-hes-nazi-praises-hitler-x-rant-2027943 Newsweek headline 'Kanye West Proclaims He's a Nazi', provides sources saying neo-Nazis embrace him as a leader in the movement]

:::::: * [https://www.ajc.org/news/5-of-kanye-wests-antisemitic-remarks-explained American Jewish Committee quotes him 'I'm a Nazi']

:::::: Please note that assuming good faith must end when that assumption becomes impossible, for example when an editor refuses to acknowledge that a repeatedly self-professed Nazi is what they profess to be. There is no compelling reason to avoid labeling this man according to his consistently professed antisemitic neo-Nazi ideology. john factorial (talk) 21:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Not one of these sources refer to him as a "neo-Nazi". They merely quote his manic outbursts. Also, WP:NEWSWEEK. If you can't AGF that people disagree with you, that's a you problem. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:34, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::The Times of Israel is listed first intentionally here. They grouped the article under the category of "neo-Nazis" which is the question we are discussing - whether to do the same. Would anyone care to define the difference between being a self-professed and widely labeled nazi vs being a neo-nazi? john factorial (talk) 21:41, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Kanye West is not a widely labeled Nazi. He is just a self-professed Nazi. That's the discrepancy at the heart of this discussion. If he was widely labeled by RS, Wikipedia would label him accordingly. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:46, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::He has widely labeled himself a nazi, repeatedly, for years, and reliable sources have reported on this for years. Given that Naziism is a set of personally held beliefs, this answers the question definitively. E.g. say a person repeatedly publicly professes to be a Christian; whether _anyone else_ labels them a Christian is immaterial. All that is necessary to file that person under "Christians" is for a reliable source to report on their self-description. The same is true here, and the arguments being made to the contrary (he's just doing it for attention / he is just having manic episodes) don't hold up to good faith scrutiny. john factorial (talk) 21:54, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

::@JeffSpaceman I get your argument- most sources don't put the word "Nazi" next to his name in unrelated events like music releases; but I think that the fact that he's called himself it multiple times (and has plenty of RS for each time) probably means that the media has consistently called him one at this point; by the virtue that he keeps asserting that he's a Nazi and therefore the media follows. 02:14, 8 February 2025 (UTC) HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 02:14, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:That RFC was from 2022; but from what I can tell RS still don't identify him as a Neo-Nazi. While he does identify as one, it is Wikipedia policy to only apply such a tag if sources agree that it's an appropriate category for the person to be categorized as. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 02:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::What does Ye have to do to warrant the neo-Nazi category? Tila Tequila has it but not Ye? 202.49.186.211 (talk) 02:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Essentially the fanboys have to come to terms with the fact that their sacred cow is slaughtering itself. 194.193.169.6 (talk) 02:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Having enough Reliable Sources that call him a Neo Nazi which Tila Tequilla does. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 02:18, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::So we can’t call him a neo-Nazi, even though he calls himself a Nazi, until the media calls him one? The fuck? 202.49.186.211 (talk) 02:52, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::Headline refers to Kanye West as “Nazi”

:::::https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14371447/amp/Kanye-West-anti-Semitic-President-Trump-Diddy.html 194.193.169.6 (talk) 03:07, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Not a reliable source -- see WP:DAILYMAIL. JeffSpaceman (talk) 03:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Then what is a reliable source?

:::::::Literally from Kanye himself: I’M A NAZI

:::::::Wikipedia mods: not a reliable source 202.49.186.215 (talk) 05:10, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Read Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, also we aren't mods we are just regular Wikipedia users and please learn the guidelines of Wikipedia before commenting you are wasting people's time. I agree with you he is a nazi but we follow guidelines here. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 10:56, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::I do not agree that he is a Nazi. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:48, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::>calls himself a Nazi

::::::::::>praises Hitler

::::::::::>blatant antisemite

::::::::::“I do not agree that he is a Nazi” 202.49.186.215 (talk) 19:08, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::As I've said before, he's a narcissistic person going through a manic episode who doesn't accept accountability for his hurtful statements. That's not necessarily a Nazi, and no RS have been presented that call him a Nazi, or neo-Nazi. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:13, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::Kanye West is literally the most famous, influential Nazi in the world. His statements have been directly tied to [https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/02/13/kanye-wests-antisemitism-directly-linked-to-hateful-attacks-report-says/] [https://www.adl.org/resources/article/ye-right-antisemitic-campaign-continues] dozens of hate crimes. There are plenty of sources on him being leading influence/voice within global antisemitism, so maybe we could call him that instead. 199.79.156.50 (talk) 04:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Now that we could add, if consensus agrees. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:20, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Some of this has already been added to the 'Views' section. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::True, but that's buried pretty far in the article. To the best of my knowledge, no living person has been linked to more antisemitic incidents or hate crimes than Kanye himself, and that seems like a serious enough part of his career and influence to warrant more than just an outdated mention of one of many incidents in the introduction section. 199.79.156.50 (talk) 11:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::Please read Wikipedia rules, guidelines and procedure before making comments on Wikipedia. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 04:27, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::::Not a single source listed on Tila Tequila's page calls her a Nazi; they are all simply reporting on pro-Nazi statements she made.

::::By that standard, there is much stronger evidence for Kanye West being a Neo-Nazi. 199.79.156.50 (talk) 04:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I agree with Muboshgu. This is obviously a manic outburst, and reliable sources are treating it as such. Also, mind you that categorization is supposed to be based on defining characteristics, i.e. characteristics that {{tq|reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic|q=y}}, see WP:CAT#D. By that standard, almost every article, including this one, is overcategorized, so there should be no rush to add new categories. Editors should focus on high-quality edits to the article body first and foremost. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 11:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

::...Spending months and months organizing performers, producers, and technicians is a... "manic outburst"? Was the invasion of Poland a "manic outburst" because Hitler was on amphetamines? 2620:0:E00:5505:A5FF:446F:54A3:7D2C (talk) 13:50, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Edit warring over a category is lame. Normally, those repeatedly adding a contentious category to a BLP would be blocked but I have instead fully protected the article for two weeks. It has been explained above that a reliable source would be needed to justify a category like this, and plausible explanations for why a self-declaration would be inadequate have been given. A lot has been written about West. If no RS has chosen to describe him in a manner that would justify the category, it should not be added. For the record, I know almost nothing about this topic and am not expressing an opinion—I'm just recounting standard procedure. Any further additions of the category or similar after protection expires will result in a block unless there is a clear consensus for its inclusion on this page. Johnuniq (talk) 03:25, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

West has been reliably described as a Nazi by several sources in the past few months. It's more than substantiated for him to be identified as such by the categories and the article.

"Kanye West, the antisemitic rapper also known as Ye, posted on social media on Thursday a music video for a new song titled “Heil Hitler,” marking the once-celebrated artist’s latest regression toward Nazism."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/self-described-nazi-rapper-kanye-west-releases-new-song-titled-heil-hitler/

"As of now, the self-proclaimed nazi’s website is promoting just one article of clothing — a t-shirt with a swastika on it."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/07/arts/music/ye-takes-back-apology.html

"The Grammy winner and self-described Nazi, 47, uploaded his new track to SoundCloud on Thursday, but it has since been removed from that platform as well."

https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/05/09/kanye-west-releases-heil-hitler-song-music-video-featuring-audio-nazi-leaders-speech/

"A Superior Court judge on Thursday ordered Kanye West to sit for a deposition by April 30 or face a default judgment in a discrimination lawsuit brought by a former employee, one of more than half a dozen filed against the rapper, fashion mogul and self-described Nazi who has legally changed his name to the succinct Ye."

https://www.courthousenews.com/kanye-west-teetering-on-the-edge-of-default-judgments-ordered-to-sit-for-deposition/

The category is currently on the article, as it should be. I hope these sources (there are more) are sufficient for his self-identification to lend credence to its inclusion. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:12, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:All of these sources call him a "self-described Nazi". Nobody disputes that he has identified as a Nazi, which is why it's already prominently featured in the lead. RS would have to call him a "Nazi" (without the qualifier) for Wikipedia to label him one, and the sources you listed don't do that. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 00:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

::Is there any specific policy where a defining label can't be regarded as such if sources note that its self-proclaimed? To my understanding the media does so ensure the reader knows that it is Kanye himself who declared he was a Nazi, and its not a work of the editorial team involved. That doesn't mean that any of said sources dispute that he isn't. I would also argue that the fact that sources bother to bring up that he calls himself a Nazi makes it defining- as if it wasn't a defining characteristic of West, they just wouldn't mention it. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:30, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:::It's simple: Everything people say about themselves isn't true. [https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/music/news-i-run-world-kanye-west-claims-god-recent-interview Kanye West has said that he is God]. That doesn't make it so. [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/take-charge-bipolar-disorder/202007/is-kanye-west-just-grandiose-attention-seeking-rapper/ He's also manic], so there will always be doubt as to the authenticity of these sort of grandiose self-proclamations he makes. We rely on the judgment of RS to make that call. RS not disputing his claim isn't enough. They have to actively endorse it for us to take the next step of calling him a Nazi in wikivoice. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 10:38, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:@HadesTTW No one disputes that some sources say it, but I would argue that it isn't really WP:defining when it isn't a source of his notability. It being verifiable does not make it defining. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

::"a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having." Reliable sources have indeed been consistency defining him as a self-proclaimed Nazi for months by now. It's rarer for him to be mentioned in the news without at least a side note of his antisemitism controversies. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:::It being qualified in every case with self proclaimed is at odds with "defining". And yes, they mention antisemitism, which is defining for sure, but there are many different kinds of antisemitism beyond neo-Nazism. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:37, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Per the comments by {{noping|Throast}} above, I have removed the "neo-Nazi" categories from the article. As the user states, articles stating that he self-identifies as a Nazi are insufficient for adding the category, and the issues with his exceptional claims about himself noted above rule out their inclusion per WP:ABOUTSELF. Independent, secondary sources must be found that explicitly refer to West as a Nazi directly (with no qualifiers) in order for the category to be included. Per WP:BLP, the addition of these categories without these and a clear consensus for inclusion will be reverted, and the restoring of the material qualifies as edit warring per WP:3RRBLP. Please do not add them again, until a time comes where there is enough consensus and sourcing to support their inclusion. JeffSpaceman (talk) 19:40, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:This is dumb. The category cannot be added unless the news calls him a Nazi? Not even him being a self-admitted one isn’t enough? Heil Hitler isn’t enough? PrisonedMuffin (talk) 02:57, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Again, I just simply don't see this argument as actually referring to any policy. WP:ABOUTSELF is explicitly about self-published and questionable sources. We aren't citing Kanyes' tweets about being a Nazi, we are citing news organizations that call him such.

:You are correct that a consensus is required for categories but I have yet to see a single actual policy on self-identification as a qualifier that contradicts the inclusion of the categories. In addition to my argument that the "self-identified" qualifier does not make the category non-defining (they are using "self-described" to show non-editorial bias) newspapers and sources reliably describe his views and public statements as Neo-Nazi without any preceding qualifier.

:"the revelations of long-term Nazi sympathies"

:https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/kanyes-antisemitic-hate-speech-platformed-enablers-tech-media-politics/

:“Heil Hitler” is Ye’s latest promotion of Nazism, after he tried to sell shirts emblazoned with a swastika and made a series of antisemitic comments on X earlier this year."

:https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/05/09/kanye-west-releases-heil-hitler-song-music-video-featuring-audio-nazi-leaders-speech/

:"The taunting statements were in stark contrast to an apology he made in 2023 after he had come under fire for making a series of antisemitic and pro-Nazi remarks"

:https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/07/arts/music/ye-takes-back-apology.html

:"The song comes shortly after West attempted to defend his recent embrace of Nazism by comparing it to bisexuality."

:https://hiphopdx.com/news/kanye-west-shares-new-song-rocking-swastikas

:None of these sources are saying that "Kanye's statements, which he describes as Nazi." They are straight up saying that he is spreading Neo-Nazi rhetoric. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 03:13, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::None of those sources explicitly describe West as a Nazi. The first one's statement that he has "long-term Nazi sympathies" is the closest that any of these get, but that language is not decisive enough to categorize him as such per BLP. The sources stating that he promoted and embraced Nazism and made a series of pro-Nazi remarks do not directly call him a Nazi, merely that he engaged in promoting rhetoric associated with the ideology -- just because they state he is spreading such rhetoric does not mean it is appropriate for Wikipedia to categorize him as a Nazi per WP:BLPCAT. JeffSpaceman (talk) 13:17, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::"Making pro-Nazi remarks"/being a "Nazi sympathizer" does not necessarily make one a Nazi. Again, all of these sources stop short of calling him a Nazi, wehether it be because they don't want to look biased or they think that he uses the label for shock value only. Who knows. We seem to be at an impasse here. Feel free to create an WP:RFC, I'd actually be curious to see what the community thinks. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 13:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Should we add that he is a self-proclaimed Nazi in the introduction? Yes or no? 2804:14D:5C32:4673:BA26:228A:EFB5:AC7A (talk) 00:26, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

• I oppose adding it to the introduction, but as it is widely present in reliable sources, it could be included alongside his controversial comments noted at the end of the lede. JeffSpaceman (talk) 00:31, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• If there are reliable sources of him saying it, I think it would be reasonable to add a sentence along the lines of "West has described himself as a neo-Nazi." Definitely doesn't belong in the first paragraph though. Ultraodan (talk) 05:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• The latest Twitter behaviour is, sourced to the New York Times and People, in the Views section of the article (but not in views of Kanye West, which as a sub-article is supposed to have detail — Clearly people are far too focussed on what goes into a lead instead of working on what goes into a detailed article on the specific subject.). I suspect that {{plainlink|https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2025/02/07/kanye-west-goes-on-antisemetic-rant-online-says-hitler-was-so-fresh/|Forbes is reliable for tying the various statements into a history}} and maybe to a lesser extent {{plainlink|https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/kanye-antisemitic-hitler-nazi-twitter-1235895504/|Billboard}}, too. Uncle G (talk) 08:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• :[https://x.com/kanyewest/status/1887824082005111130 A tweet by Kanye]. - Sebbog13 (talk) 17:50, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Kanye West is the most famous and influential living person to identify as a nazi. His statements have been directly tied to dozens of hate crimes. His statements praising nazi ideology were so prominent that they nearly bankrupted the Adidas corporation. At this point, I'm having trouble imagining anything he's done in the past 5 years that was more important or influential than consistently praising Nazis and describing himself as one. 199.79.156.50 (talk) 04:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
• Hell yes 194.193.169.6 (talk) 00:32, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• No apparently you’re not allowed to PrisonedMuffin (talk) 00:33, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• I'm open to adding it to the last paragraph in the lead. He's publicly referred to himself as a "Nazi" twice now. Just to clarify, this is not to say that Wikipedia should label him as such. But the (repeated) self-proclamation is lead-worthy at this point. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:07, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Agreed. It is undeniable that he has self-proclaimed himself to be a Nazi more than once now. I'm completely against using the neo-Nazi category. I'm not sure that it belongs in the lead, but it might. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:15, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• :I think it's worthy of inclusion in the paragraph that notes his antisemitic statements. Even when the protection is gone, though, I don't believe I'll be the one adding it, because I want there to be clear consensus for inclusion per BLP. Hence why I have reverted the inclusion of the category on multiple West-related articles (some eyes on Views of Kanye West might help quell similar disruption there, fwiw). JeffSpaceman (talk) 15:24, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Agreed. The last part of the last paragraph in the introduction now seems incomplete considering that the 2022 antisemitic rants, but not the February 2025 tweetstorm. Culveyhouse (talk) 04:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Yes. The bar shouldn't be set ridiculously high. Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support : there's now two instances of West calling himself a Nazi, as well as embracing Hitler and the swastika, over the span of two years+. Both instances were covered by high-quality sources. Mentioning that he {{green|[made] a series of antisemitic statements, including denying the Holocaust}} while omitting the now repeated "I'M A NAZI"/"HEIL HITLER"/swastika stuff feels like we're watering down the topic. My (quickly drafted) proposal would be something like {{green|West has publicly expressed antisemitic views since [year]. He has self-identified as a Nazi, praised Hitler, promoted the swastika and denied the Holocaust.}} Then the Adidas stuff, etc. — WikiFouf (talk) 16:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

::Where would you put your proposed sentence? After the sentence about the presidential campaign? By the Adidas stuff you mean the last sentence? How would you rephrase that sentence if we added your proposal? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:::@Throast, this is a bit different from my first draft, but how about this? {{green|West's outspoken views have received significant media coverage. He has been a frequent source of controversy due to his conduct on social media, at award shows and in public settings, as well as his comments on the music and fashion industries, U.S. politics, race, and slavery. His Christian faith, high-profile marriage to Kim Kardashian, and mental health have also been topics of media attention. In 2020, he launched an unsuccessful independent presidential campaign that advocated for a consistent life ethic. Starting in 2022, West has drawn widespread condemnation — and lost sponsors and partnerships — for his antisemitic views. He has self-identified as a Nazi, praised Hitler, promoted the swastika and denied the Holocaust.}} I tried to keep a similar word count to what we have RN, so I trimmed out mentions of Adidas & co. I also didn't date that part since he [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/feb/12/kanye-west-sued-dropped-by-talent-agency-and-retail-platform-over-antisemitic-remarks lost partnerships this year too] — WikiFouf (talk) 13:47, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

::::That looks good to me. I agree that we don't have to list sponsors/collaborations by name. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:Strong support EarthDude (talk) 07:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:Support per Throast. 'Ye' is not notable because of the controversies, but the fact that he's a proud antisemite and self-declared Nazi is notable. It should be covered in the lead, but not necessarily the first sentence or paragraph. ^Falling_Gravity 05:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

::He just said today on Twitter (X) he is not a Nazi, I guess that puts an end to this drama JE776 (talk) 21:07, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Is everyone fine with {{u|WikiFouf}}'s proposal to change the fourth paragraph to reflect his self-identification as a Nazi?

{{tqb|West's outspoken views have received significant media coverage. He has been a frequent source of controversy due to his conduct on social media, at award shows and in public settings, as well as his comments on the music and fashion industries, U.S. politics, race, and slavery. His Christian faith, high-profile marriage to Kim Kardashian, and mental health have also been topics of media attention. In 2020, he launched an unsuccessful independent presidential campaign that advocated for a consistent life ethic. Starting in 2022, West has drawn widespread condemnation{{emdash}}and lost sponsors and partnerships{{emdash}}for his antisemitic views. He has self-identified as a Nazi, praised Hitler, promoted the swastika and denied the Holocaust.}}

If so, I can go ahead and make the edit. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:58, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

:I support this, though I'd change "promoted the swastika" to "used swastika imagery." JeffSpaceman (talk) 00:15, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{Sure}} – [ɑƞʈuɼeđ] [⍣] [⁂] 00:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Lede says he's tied with Jay-Z for most Grammys by a hip hop artist. However, the article linked has Jay-Z ahead of him by 1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_milestones#Most_Grammys_won Somarain (talk) 17:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, Jay-Z surpassed Kanye West three weeks ago. Can we rephrase it somehow to keep the Grammy wins in the lead? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:19, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

::That sentence minus "and most awarded for any hip-hop artist along with Jay-Z" would be fine. Don't forget to remove the word "joint" too. Somarain (talk) 23:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::{{done}} Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 00:12, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

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Under the section "Name Change":

Please change "he cited "personal reasons" for the change" to "Ye cited "personal reasons" for the change" Tytech038 (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}}: as his WP:COMMONNAME remains "Kanye West". – Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Ye recently left Christianity and criticised Jesus Christ, but it is not mentioned in the "Religious beliefs" section of "Personal life". Given Ye's recent stunt at the Grammy's and his crashing out on X, to continue to portray him as a born again Christian is unthinkable. Ztimes3 (talk) 07:12, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:Got any sources or proposed text to add? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

::One source I can find: https://www.christianpost.com/news/kanye-west-says-he-has-issues-with-jesus-im-god.html

::There might be others, but this is one of the main media sources; it quite obviously has a Christian leaning though, but I don't think that should be an issue. You could also find details in Ye's interview with Big Boy. Ztimes3 (talk) 10:16, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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I want to edit ye's page because his name is ye not Kanye west Qqwwweerrtttyyy (talk) 15:45, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:File:X mark.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

When people tell you who they are. Believe them. NesserWiki (talk) 06:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:See Talk:Kanye West#Why do we not add the “American neo-Nazis” category? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 07:08, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Since Ye has released his new album Bully through the short film, it should be added to his discography. He has stated on X that he will not be releasing any music or albums on DSPs, so these would be considered official releases from him.

Here are some sources/articles that talk about the release of the album:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kanye-west-new-album-bully-short-films-1235299342/

https://variety.com/2025/music/news/kanye-west-releases-bully-album-saint-west-film-1236342007/ 2601:80:4803:2EF0:C96C:8A54:AC99:7547 (talk) 15:39, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

His dad was present in his life and on hood terms with his mother, his page should be linked under parents 72.72.188.97 (talk) 03:54, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

:We only link parents when the parents are notable themselves and have (or should have) their own Wikipedia article. Ultraodan (talk) 05:31, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Why is father not show in chart, even though it’s in the article?

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In 2025, West announced the original title for Yeezus was "Nigger Cock", which he posted on X, In a tweet saying "The original title for YEEZUS was NIGGER COCK". LoopsSZZ (talk) 23:03, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

:I have no idea if you're trolling or not, but if West did actually post that I'd chalk it up to him just having one of his weird episodes again. wizzito | say hello! 23:31, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{Not done}}: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Skynxnex (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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CHANGE INTRO INTO:

Ye, previously known as Kanye Omari West, born on June 8th 1977, is an American rapper and record producer. Along with being a prominent figure in hip-hop, he is known for his varying musical style and cultural and political commentary.

Changed this : West's outspoken views have received significant media coverage. He has been a frequent source of controversy due to his conduct on social media, at award shows and in public settings, as well as his comments on the music and fashion industries, U.S. politics, race, and slavery. His Christian faith, high-profile marriage to Kim Kardashian, and mental health have also been topics of media attention.[11][12][13] In 2020, West launched an unsuccessful independent presidential campaign that advocated for a consistent life ethic. Starting in 2022, West has drawn widespread condemnation—and lost sponsors and partnerships—for his antisemitic views. He has self-identified as a Nazi, praised Adolf Hitler, used swastika imagery, and denied the Holocaust.

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West's outspoken views have attracted significant media attention. He has often been controversial due to his behavior on social media, at award shows, and in public, as well as his remarks on music, fashion, U.S. politics, race, and slavery. His Christian faith, marriage to Kim Kardashian, and mental health have also been widely discussed. In 2020, he ran an unsuccessful independent presidential campaign. Starting in 2022, he faced widespread condemnation and lost sponsorships for his antisemitic views, including praising Hitler, using swastika imagery, and denying the Holocaust. DSA125 (talk) 22:47, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:File:X mark.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Tlx|Edit extended-protected}} template. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:59, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

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I wish to add a reference to the academic book: https://www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-5275-2886-4 in the context of the bipolar disorder diagnosis Thedualaspecttheorist (talk) 19:53, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done for now}}: I believe the cambridgescholars.com site, is known for being a predatory journal or publisher, and we need the ISBN and why it helps in this context. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 17:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

I believe that this part of his info box:

“After dropping out of college to pursue a career in music, West began producing for regional artists in the Chicago area. As an in-house producer for Roc-A-Fella Records, he co-produced albums including Jay-Z's The Blueprint (2001) before signing with the label as a recording artist. West's debut studio album, The College Dropout (2004), was met with critical acclaim and yielded the BillboardHot 100-number one single "Slow Jamz". He peaked the chart on four other occasions with the singles "Gold Digger" (2005), "Stronger" (2007), "E.T." (2011, as a featured artist), and "Carnival" (2024).”

should be removed. It is too long and cluttery and contains information that can found in other parts of the page. 2601:80:4803:2EF0:182E:BC8D:8008:B0CD (talk) 18:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

:The lead is supposed to summarize the body, so anything in the lead should be found in other parts of the article. It's a short summary of his life and career including his most popular works. The paragraph doesn't exceed the others in length. I don't see an issue with it. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:36, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

::I understand that the lead is supposed to summarize the article and highlight important aspects of Kanye West’s life and career. Still, I feel that the paragraph in question includes too many detailed specifics for a lead section. The details about his work with Roc-A-Fella Records and the list of singles seems unnecessary to provide a more concise overview of his career/life. Also, if it was a short summary to include his most popular and recognizable works then it fails to do that because he has an extensive career and the information listed in the lead only covers the very early part of his career.

::I would say to make the lead a more focused, concise and general overview of his career for the readers because it will allow them to dive into the more detailed information in the main body of the article.

::I remember a couple years ago the lead was:

:: “Ye is an American rapper, songwriter, record producer and fashion designer. He is regarded as both one of the most influential and controversial artists and producers of the 21st century”

::I feel like adding a bit more information to this and changing it a little (maybe replace the ending sentence with: “One of the most prominent figures in hip-hop, he is known for his varying musical style and polarizing cultural and political commentary.”) would make it perfect. 2601:80:4803:2EF0:59EA:CDFD:D857:63D0 (talk) 18:04, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

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Kanye deleted the Bully visual album and it was officially called Bully V1 and it wasn't released on Dsps Ethanjadn (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ultraodan (talk) 04:47, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

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Change current headshot of Ye to one that is recent in 2025 Yuno Is Miles (talk) 01:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done for now}}: What image would this be? Ultraodan (talk) 04:46, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

With the recent revelations about Kanye's relationship with his male cousin, should we tag him as LGBTQ now? I'm not entirely sure if the specific situation would count or not. I'm not trying to sound insensitive when asking, I'm legitimately wondering. 128.164.171.26 (talk) 18:26, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:well its still cocsa i believe though. maybe include it as a footnote in the early life section? 2600:4041:55B8:5400:B58B:50C3:1098:9B9D (talk) 00:13, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:The category should only be used if the subject identifies as such. StAnselm (talk) 01:03, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Are you for real? WINUX95 (talk) 02:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:The stuff he said is not part of "realtionships and family". {{redacted}} Throast, why did you delete this? If you couldn't understand it you should ask me, I'm an active user, just deleting my stuff is totally not cool / proper. WINUX95 (talk) 05:35, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::see Wikipedia:Ownership of content. This article and it's discussions is not your property, stop acting like it WINUX95 (talk) 05:38, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I have no idea what you are talking about. [https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=WINUX95&page=Kanye+West&server=enwiki&max= You haven't made a single edit to the article]. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 09:32, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

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Add a controversies section containing his history of controversial tweets,political statements, celebrity fallouts, addiction, and lawsuits Oracle778 (talk) 07:11, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done for now}}: You are welcome to discuss and draft such a section here and build consensus for eventual inclusion in the article. Until there's a concrete proposal with consensus behind it, please do not use the edit request feature. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

There is no reason to suggest that this album is a collaboration project with Dave Blunts.

The credits for the singles on Spotify and Apple Music are listed solely under Kanye's name, not as a joint release with Dave Blunts. While Dave contributed to the writing of the album, it is not a collaborative project with him. The album is consistently referred to as Kanye's, rather than a joint or collaborative effort.

These sources refer to the project as "Kanye's new album":

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/904563-kanye-west-dave-blunts-new-album-cuck-hip-hop-news

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/904297-kanye-west-album-cuck-hip-hop-news

https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/kanye-west-reveals-lyrics-new-album-1235064365/ Freebezzi (talk) 17:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

The poor guy's horrific antisemitic and neo nazi rants are mentioned in the lede but nothing about his severe mental illnesses? 2405:201:9004:E1CD:AD40:1EC3:52E0:22AD (talk) 22:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:Fourth paragraph: {{tq|His [...] mental health have also been topics of media attention.|q=y}} Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 09:40, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

The article states he is still married to Bianca Censori with the text "2022-present". The note added to this text, however, states not only that they married in 2022 but also mentions the recent divorce. The article should say (m. 2022; div. 2025) for Bianca 2A03:EC00:B158:114F:0:0:0:2 (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:The validity of the marriage has been disputed, and this is explained in the note. I changed "present" to "2025". Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 09:38, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:Correction: More recent reports say they reunited. I removed the outdated part of the note and changed it back to "present". Any details about their relationship belong in the article body anyway. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 09:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

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West and Kardashian have four children: North West (born June 2013),{{cite web|url=https://people.com/parents/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-welcome-their-baby-girl/|title=Kim Kardashian Is a Mom!|date=June 15, 2013|work=People|access-date=June 15, 2013|first=Dahvi|last=Shira}}{{cite web|url=https://people.com/parents/kim-kardashian-baby-name-revealed/|title=Kim Kardashian's Baby Name: Finally Revealed!|date=June 20, 2013|work=People|access-date=June 21, 2013|first1=Jennifer|last1=Garcia|first2=Rennie|last2=Dyball}} Saint West (born December 2015),{{cite magazine|url=https://time.com/4139432/kim-kardashian-west-kanye-west-saint-west/|title=The Long History Behind Kim and Kanye's New Baby's Name|access-date=December 8, 2015|date=December 7, 2015|magazine=Time|first=Ashley|last=Ross}} Chicago West (born via surrogate in January 2018),{{Cite news|url=https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/chicago-west-baby-name-kanye-hometown|title=Kim Kardashian's Third Child Is Named After Kanye West's Hometown|work=Travel + Leisure|access-date=January 22, 2018|language=en}}{{cite web|last1=Juneau|first1=Jen|title=Kanye and Kim Kardashian West Welcome a Daughter|url=https://people.com/babies/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-welcome-daughter/|website=People|access-date=January 16, 2018|date=January 16, 2018}} and Psalm West (born via surrogate in May 2019).{{cite magazine|url=https://people.com/parents/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-welcome-son/|title='He's Here!' Kim Kardashian and Kanye West Welcome Son: 'He's Perfect'|magazine=People|first=Jen|last=Juneau|date=May 10, 2019|access-date=May 10, 2019}}{{cite web |last1=Bloom |first1=Madison |title=Kanye West and Kim Kardashian Reveal Fourth Child's Name |url=https://pitchfork.com/news/kanye-west-and-kim-kardashian-reveal-fourth-childs-name/ |website=Pitchfork|date=May 17, 2019 |access-date=May 17, 2019}} In July 2020, during a presidential campaign rally of his, West revealed that he had previously considered abortion during Kardashian's first pregnancy but has since taken anti-abortion views.{{cite news |last1=Henderson |first1=Cydney |title=Kim Kardashian West officially files for divorce from Kanye West after almost 7 years of marriage |url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/02/19/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-head-divorce-after-almost-7-years/6556476002/ |access-date=February 21, 2021 |work=USA Today |date=February 19, 2021}} In April 2015, West and Kardashian traveled to Jerusalem to have North baptized in the Armenian Apostolic Church at the Cathedral of St. James.{{Cite web|url=https://www.etonline.com/news/166186_kim_kardashian_posts_pics_of_north_west_baptism_on_her_second_birthday|title=Kim Kardashian Shares North West's Baptism Pics on Daughter's Birthday |website=ET Online|first=Jackie|last=Willis|date=June 15, 2015|access-date=December 29, 2023}}{{cite web|url=https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/kim-kardashian-baptises-north-west-on-trip-to-the-middle-east-20150414-1mkfpb.html|title=Kim Kardashian baptises North West on trip to the Middle East|first=Mary|last=Ward|date=April 13, 2015|website=The Sydney Morning Herald}}

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West and Kardashian have four children: North West (born June 2013),{{cite web |last=Shira |first=Dahvi |date=June 15, 2013 |title=Kim Kardashian Is a Mom! |url=https://people.com/parents/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-welcome-their-baby-girl/ |access-date=June 15, 2013 |work=People}}{{cite web |last1=Garcia |first1=Jennifer |last2=Dyball |first2=Rennie |date=June 20, 2013 |title=Kim Kardashian's Baby Name: Finally Revealed! |url=https://people.com/parents/kim-kardashian-baby-name-revealed/ |access-date=June 21, 2013 |work=People}} Saint West (born December 2015),{{cite magazine |last=Ross |first=Ashley |date=December 7, 2015 |title=The Long History Behind Kim and Kanye's New Baby's Name |url=https://time.com/4139432/kim-kardashian-west-kanye-west-saint-west/ |access-date=December 8, 2015 |magazine=Time}} Chicago West (born via surrogate in January 2018),{{Cite news |title=Kim Kardashian's Third Child Is Named After Kanye West's Hometown |url=https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/chicago-west-baby-name-kanye-hometown |access-date=January 22, 2018 |work=Travel + Leisure |language=en}}{{cite web |last1=Juneau |first1=Jen |date=January 16, 2018 |title=Kanye and Kim Kardashian West Welcome a Daughter |url=https://people.com/babies/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-welcome-daughter/ |access-date=January 16, 2018 |website=People}} and Psalm West (born via surrogate in May 2019).{{cite magazine |last=Juneau |first=Jen |date=May 10, 2019 |title='He's Here!' Kim Kardashian and Kanye West Welcome Son: 'He's Perfect' |url=https://people.com/parents/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-welcome-son/ |access-date=May 10, 2019 |magazine=People}}{{cite web |last1=Bloom |first1=Madison |date=May 17, 2019 |title=Kanye West and Kim Kardashian Reveal Fourth Child's Name |url=https://pitchfork.com/news/kanye-west-and-kim-kardashian-reveal-fourth-childs-name/ |access-date=May 17, 2019 |website=Pitchfork}} West's relationship with their children has degraded significantly in recent years, as Kardashian states that West is "not around" much.{{Cite web |title=Kim Kardashian Is 'Pretty Much a Single Mom' to Her 4 Kids as Ex Kanye West Is 'Not Around Very Much' (Exclusive Source) |url=https://people.com/kim-kardashian-is-pretty-much-a-single-mom-as-kanye-west-is-not-around-exclusive-source-8731526 |access-date=2025-04-27 |website=People.com |language=en}}

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In July 2020, West acknowledged the possibility of Kardashian ending their marriage due to his adoption of anti-abortion views. Later that month, West wrote on Twitter that he had been attempting to divorce Kardashian. He also wrote that the Kardashian family was attempting "to lock [him] up". In January 2021, CNN reported that the couple were discussing divorce. A month later, Kardashian filed for divorce,{{cite web|url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kim-kardashian-files-divorce-kanye-west-n1258382|title=Kim Kardashian files for divorce from Kanye West|date=February 19, 2021|access-date=February 19, 2021|publisher=NBC News|first=Diana|last=Dasarth}} with the couple citing "irreconcilable differences", agreeing to joint custody of their children, and declining spousal support from each other.{{cite news |title=Kim Kardashian and Kanye West agree joint custody after divorce |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56718074 |access-date=April 13, 2021 |agency=BBC News |date=April 13, 2021}} The divorce settlement was finalized in November 2022, and West was ordered to pay $200,000 in monthly child support and be responsible for half of the children's medical, educational, and security expenses.{{cite news|url=https://people.com/tv/kim-kardashian-and-kanye-west-finalize-divorce/|title=Kim Kardashian and Kanye West Finalize Divorce, Rapper Must Pay $200K Per Month in Child Support|first=Stephanie|last=Wenger|publisher=People|date=November 29, 2022|accessdate=November 30, 2022}}

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In July 2020, West acknowledged the possibility of Kardashian ending their marriage due to his adoption of anti-abortion views. Later that month, West wrote on Twitter that he had been attempting to divorce Kardashian. He also wrote that the Kardashian family was attempting "to lock [him] up". In January 2021, CNN reported that the couple were discussing divorce. A month later, Kardashian filed for divorce,{{cite web |last=Dasarth |first=Diana |date=February 19, 2021 |title=Kim Kardashian files for divorce from Kanye West |url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kim-kardashian-files-divorce-kanye-west-n1258382 |access-date=February 19, 2021 |publisher=NBC News}} with the couple citing "irreconcilable differences", agreeing to joint custody of their children, and declining spousal support from each other.{{cite news |date=April 13, 2021 |title=Kim Kardashian and Kanye West agree joint custody after divorce |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56718074 |access-date=April 13, 2021 |agency=BBC News}} The divorce settlement was finalized in November 2022, and West was ordered to pay $200,000 in monthly child support and be responsible for half of the children's medical, educational, and security expenses.{{cite news |last=Wenger |first=Stephanie |date=November 29, 2022 |title=Kim Kardashian and Kanye West Finalize Divorce, Rapper Must Pay $200K Per Month in Child Support |url=https://people.com/tv/kim-kardashian-and-kanye-west-finalize-divorce/ |accessdate=November 30, 2022 |publisher=People}} Following the divorce, West claims to have rarely seen his kids; he tweets: "I HAVENT SEEN SAINT THIS YEAR", despite claims suggesting otherwise.{{Cite web |date=2025-04-23 |title=Kanye West Gives Update on Son Saint in Shocking Tweet |url=https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/kanye-west-gives-son-saint-095312186.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADc-cph3XyYjCOt3EwlzIStOP3YGxL-kB4qWKrxtMw-fDjZpTICzQV0FPofuWy0EqfEE3JcG0Q9PxPvrHcwifxyLXklvaLYeZrHrDQCnI-Sn0hXZJIPW_dqKP7w7QTO29e44VeDbuKlzyIJSgVE7tlKbAeG1gBKq3KAoYZGwTl4G |access-date=2025-04-27 |website=Yahoo Entertainment |language=en-US}} Though West is clearly upset about his supposed estranged relationship with his children, it has been reported that West has no limitations on how often he can visit his kids.{{Cite web |date=2025-04-23 |title=Kanye West can visit kids ‘anytime he wants’ despite claiming he hasn’t seen son Saint this year: report |url=https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/kanye-west-visit-kids-anytime-133506298.html |access-date=2025-04-27 |website=Yahoo Entertainment |language=en-US}} As a result of his frustration West is in the process of selecting the right lawyer to contest legal custody of his children. Gobblr (talk) 00:15, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

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:{{not done}}: Changes amount to celebrity drama with dubious citations and original research. You also misattribute the source in the People link; Kardashian didn't state that, an "exclusive source" did. – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 19:22, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Donda 2 has officially dropped on YouTube Music & Tidal as of writing this, it should be considered a studio album now 24.177.230.25 (talk) 02:36, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

:Should it be separated with "As Donda" since this album dropped under a different stage name, that is usually how it is done. Freebezzi (talk) 02:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

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West has won 24 Grammy Awards, the 7th-most of all time.

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West has won 24 Grammy Awards, the 12th-most of all time. Sgangrade (talk) 05:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}}: He places 12th on the ranking, but he has indeed won the 7th-most Grammys. The disparity is due to ties. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::Ties above him do not affect the cardinal ranking of his award count. Being 12th in ranking means he has the 12th most awards of all time. Consider his “score” to be 24; he has the 12th-highest score, since there are 11 higher scores.

::Notice how the article for Jay-Z states “One of the world's best-selling music artists with 140 million records sold, Jay-Z has won 25 Grammy Awards, the tenth-most of all time and the most awarded for any hip hop artist.”

::While Jay-Z should actually be placed at 8th, it is inconsistent by all measures to place Ye at 7th, above Jay-Z.

::Please make the edit for factual clarity and consistency across Wikipedia. Sgangrade (talk) 17:11, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I read "7th-most Grammys" as "7th-highest amount of Grammys". Beyoncé has won the highest amount of Grammys, Georg Solti has won the 2nd-highest amount of Grammys, Quincy Jones and Chick Corea have won the third-highest amount of Grammys, and so on. There are six "amounts" (numbers of Grammys won) higher than his, making his the-7th highest. Am I off base here? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 19:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I understand your thought process, but you’re ranking the numerals rather than the artists, which is misleading. Saying Ye has the “7th-most” Grammys suggests he holds the 7th-highest total, but that’s not the case. There are 11 unique higher totals: 35, 31, 28, 28, 27, 26, 26, 25, 25, 25, 25—placing him 12th in count.

::::Here's an analogy: if you're in a race and 11 runners finish ahead of you, you'd say you were 12th-fastest. If I then told you that all 11 runners ahead of you somehow tied, that doesn't mean you have the 2nd-lowest time—you still have the 12th-lowest time.

::::Consider this: if Quincy Jones (RIP) were to win one more Grammy and break his tie with Chick Corea, would Ye's standing suddenly drop from “7th-most” to “8th-most”? No—Ye's total hasn’t changed, and there would still be 11 artists with more Grammys. He is, and remains, the 12th most awarded. Sgangrade (talk) 20:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::I agree that he is the "12th-most awarded", but he has not won the 12th-highest amount of Grammys, he has won the 7th-highest amount. The former references the individuals, the latter the amount i.e. the numerals in isolation. By that logic, the runner in your analogy would have the second-lowest time because we are strictly referencing the unique amounts of time run (by any given number of runners), of which there are only two. I don't think that's misleading. We could of course rephrase it to say, {{tq|West has won 24 Grammy Awards, the 7th-mostmaking him the 12th-most awarded of all time.|q=y}} Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Your suggested rephrasing is good—I recommend changing it to that. The ordinal number stated should align with the standard competition ranking (“1224” ranking) rather than the dense ranking ("1223" ranking), to which "7th-most" currently refers. Dense ranking is far more unconventional in this context. It can be used when we care about the tiers generated by ties, but in this case we care more about each individual in relative competition and so should refer to standard competition ranking when stating the ordinal number. Sgangrade (talk) 22:08, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I agree. I will go ahead and change it and mark the request as answered. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 23:56, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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Change the title of the entry from "Kanye West" to "Ye"; this was a legal name change and to call the article "Kanye West" is identical to deadnaming someone who has transitioned. 192.76.8.203 (talk) 11:28, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}} See previous discussions about this topic. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 13:06, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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Edit Kanye West's discography to look like the italian version one, differentiating the collabs, the video albums from the live albums and the filmography. Also putting the years before the album title. Mini Change (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

: {{not done}} This is not the sort of {{tq|simple, non-controversial change}} appropriate for fully-protected edit requests. It can wait until the protection expires. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:14, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Need to update this bio with info about his newest wife and the fact that he has officially changed his name to Ye. 2600:1700:D040:7540:F428:DC70:3BB6:CF2C (talk) 18:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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:Kanye West → {{no redirect|Ye (rapper)}} – all the new reliable sources called him Ye [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/07/arts/music/ye-takes-back-apology.html The New York Times] and his new songs on apple music is under the name Ye [https://music.apple.com/us/artist/ye/1714710847 Ye on Apple Music] and on X where Ye uploaded his music video his Display Name is Ye [https://twitter.com.com/Kanyewest Ye on X] and his name on Scribe where he released his song Heil Hitler Is released under Ye. Kanye West is an dead name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Momentoftrue (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. The standard is to default to "<First Name> <Last Name>" for article titles unless this name is so uncommon as to be likely unrecognizable, or when other factors support the use of an alternative. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1278431024#Requested_move_28_February_2025 recent discussion] on Sean Combs confirmed that his first and last name is appropriate despite his many nicknames, for example. Sources are mixed and while I observe a trend towards increasing use of Ye, it is not overwhelming. I did a Google News search for "Ye" and the suggested topic is [https://news.google.com/topics/CAAqIggKIhxDQkFTRHdvSkwyMHZNREpzT0RRd0VnSmxiaWdBUAE?ceid=US:en&oc=3 Kanye West] with the first 9 stories appearing under the heading "News about Kanye West". I looked at the first 20 results and, omitting duplicate sources for a total of 15 sources, 8 primarily used Ye and 7 primarily used Kanye West. Notably, almost all use both names at least once, and sometimes multiple times. I assessed what is primarily used based on what occurs most frequently and if they are used only once, I counted "Ye, formerly Kanye West" as "Ye" and "Kanye West, now known as Ye" as "Kanye West". The 8 Ye sources are: [https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ye-song-glorifying-hitler-gets-millions-views-x-platforms-struggle-rem-rcna205905 NBC], [https://www.cbc.ca/news/kanye-west-hitler-antisemitism-social-media-1.7534508 CBC], [https://www.jta.org/2025/05/08/culture/ye-debuts-heil-hitler-music-video-that-includes-a-sample-of-a-hitler-speech Jewish Telegraphic Agency], [https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/kanye-west-hitler-song-streaming-ban-1235966399/ Billboard], [https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-853864 Jerusalem Post], [https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2025/05/10/john-legend-slams-kanye-west/83556809007/ USA Today], [https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/digital-nas-ye-playboi-carti-reconcile-soon-beefing-1235070386/ Vibe] and [https://ew.com/john-legend-thinks-kanye-west-descent-began-after-mom-died-in-2007-11732622 Entertainment Weekly]. The 7 Kanye West sources are: [https://nypost.com/2025/05/12/business/spotify-soundcloud-struggle-to-remove-kanye-west-pro-hitler-song/ New York Post], [https://www.dw.com/en/kanye-west-adolf-hitler-song-illegal-germany/a-72529448 DW.com], [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/joe-rogan-kanye-west-antisemitic-song-b2751825.html Independent], [https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-lede/kanye-gave-twitter-an-exclusive-hit-single The New Yorker], [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/05/15/mhae-m15.html World Socialist Web Site], [https://jweekly.com/2025/05/14/kanye-wests-heil-hitler-song-turns-hate-into-a-hook/ J Weekly], and [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2025-05-09/ye-claims-streamers-banned-his-new-single-heil-hitler LA Times]. The LA Times is interesting in that it uses Ye in the headline but Kanye West or mostly West throughout the body. This is obviously not exhaustive, given the large volume of coverage of this subject, but this roughly 50-50 split is nowhere near enough to support a title change. The policy on self-published name changes (WP:SPNC) direct us to give weight to established usage in independent, reliable sources, although the subject's preferred usage is also considered.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• :One other note re: my assessment of sources – I excluded direct quotes. Many sources referred to him as Ye but included multiple direct quotes from people calling him Kanye. This further demonstrates that people frequently use both and there is no consensus among the public to call him Ye. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:28, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per User:Myceteae. The idea that "Kanye West" is a deadname is ridiculous, he is still commonly referred to by that name by numerous reliable media sources -- MOS:DEADNAME applies only to transgender and non-binary people, which West is not. JeffSpaceman (talk) 02:29, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per others. _saluere, Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs^⚔ 06:41, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per WP:SPNC, {{tq|it needs to be unavoidable that the new name will soon be the most common name|q=y}}. His name change happened four years ago, and "Kanye West" has mostly stuck. He's rarely referred to as just "Ye" in secondary sources. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 08:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose per above. ☩ ^{(Babysharkboss2)} 14:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Talk:Kanye West/Archive 10#Requested move 13 December 2021, Talk:Kanye West/Archive 11#Requested move 17 February 2022, Talk:Kanye_West/Archive_12#Requested_move_3_November_2022, and Talk:Kanye West/Archive 15#Requested move 20 September 2023. Nothing has changed since these discussions. WP:COMMONNAME remains "Kanye West". – Muboshgu (talk) 16:50, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Write about Donda 2's streaming release in 2025 and changes made to it (e.g. songs like pablo being removed and songs like jesse added) Testa5697 (talk) 11:34, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:but it was originally released prior J-Majestik (talk) 13:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:there is no point as it has already been written on the Donda 2 Page. The changes in the songs like "Mr Miyagi" are not worth putting in Addictedtoanime122 (talk) 03:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)