Talk:Main Page#Fish

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Given the lack of opposition to Minilammas's proposal, I'd like to request an administrator make the above edit. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 21:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

: I object to this. The community has deliberately chosen to include certain projects and exclude other ones, not just because there's limited space to include them but as an expression of their merit - we're not linking to wikis overrun with bot-created stubs for example. I would think those same choices should be respected here, rather than simply displaying every single one. And "proposal has been uncontested for 3 days" is a really weak grounds for requesting an edit to the main page anyway; I would think this requires broader discussion. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:03, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::This isn't about displaying the languages, that's done by {{template link|Wikipedia languages}}. This proposed change would only permit users manually searching in the language box for specific languages as can be done for every other page on the encyclopedia. Regarding the complaint of the low participation, this page generally gets almost no comments. Despite being watched by over 100,000 editors, the last edit request (adding active editors to the head, a much more visible and substantive edit) only got two participants. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 02:08, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::I think you misunderstood the proposal. It's about the interwiki links in the dropdown box. --Minilammas (talk) 15:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{reply|Minilammas}} Given the low participation on this page I think your best bet here would be to either open an RFC or bring {{template link|Main Page interwikis}} to TfD. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 15:28, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I don't really have the time or motivation to start an RfC about this, especially as my home wiki is the Finnish Wikipedia, and I am not too familiar with how to conduct a proper RfC here, as I only edit here every so often. --Minilammas (talk) 15:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

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On behalf of Minilammas in the above discussion I'd like to propose an RFC on removing the main page's restriction on interlanguage links. This would permit readers to use the language dropdown menu's search box to find Wikipedias in any language. Note that this proposal does not affect the links advertised in the Wikipedia languages section of the main page, which will continue to be handled by {{template link|Wikipedia languages}}.

Editors are encouraged to visit the main page of the Finnish Wikipedia for an example of this implementation. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 18:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Support as proposer. I don't think allowing the dropdown box to appear constitutes "advertising" the less-well-established language editions; {{template link|Wikipedia languages}} does that job and is far more prominent and includes an encouragement to visit them. I think we are doing our readers a disservice in hiding the existence of these other projects, as the dropdown's search feature allows readers to type in their preferred language and find a project written for them. Our article on Earth, for instance, advertises that it exists in 312 other languages and we're fine with readers of the article using the dropdown feature to find them. Why not on the main page as well? Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 18:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
• :I use Monobook. The [https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etusivu?useskin=monobook&uselang=en Finnish Wikipedia's Main Page] has a "343 more" button in the Languages section, after an apparently fixed list. The article on [https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maa?useskin=monobook&uselang=en Earth] has a "303 more" but when I click that, I do not get the FA and GA stars that enwiki's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth?useskin=monobook Earth] shows me. I don't know where these differences come from but the proposed system does not seem to be working fully. —Kusma (talk) 18:53, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per my comments above. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:13, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• :{{Ping|Pppery}} You didn't even read what Dan Leonard replied to you, did you? This isn't about the languages shown on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_languages Template:Wikipedia languages]. --Minilammas (talk) 17:06, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• :: I did read it, but I wasn't convinced. I feel the same logic behind Template:Wikipedia languages deliberately filtering out entries also applies to Template:Main Page interwikis. You obviously don't see it that way, and I suspect we won't convince each other of our positions so let's see what the rest of the community thinks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:07, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• :::I don't understand why every single article on Wikipedia is allowed to show the full interwiki language link list (via dropdown menu) but not the Main Page. Not really logical. --Minilammas (talk) 17:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• ::::You can't manage to filter the interwiki links of the articles since there are millions, unlike the main page. Riad Salih (talk) 17:25, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• :::::I don't think it's Wikipedia's job to gatekeep readers from other language editions of Wikipedia. --Minilammas (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::Each local version functions independently, and every community makes its own choices. Riad Salih (talk) 22:04, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• :::: If it were technically possible to do in a reasonable manner (it's not currently, and not likely to become possible in the forseeable future), I could totally see myself supporting excluding bot-created articles from interwiki links everywhere. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Pppery. Riad Salih (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Pppery above. —Fortuna, imperatrix 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)