Talk:Migration from Latin America to Europe

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Considering over 90% of Latin Americans in Europe reside in Spain, it might be appropriate to add a table for that country. Looking at current migration trends, it looks like the total number for Spain will hit 3 million before the close of 2019.Negin2019 (talk) 14:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

:I agree. A table listing individual countries might also make it clearer which ones are being included in the figure given in the text (given [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Migration_from_Latin_America_to_Europe&diff=881736062&oldid=881735238 this]). Cordless Larry (talk) 14:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

::Cordless Larry Can you handle yourself with the INE website in Spanish, or do you need help? Its quite easy - it also makes graphs for you. Don't forget Mexico is North America not Central America.Negin2019 (talk) 14:23, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

:::I could probably do it if you could provide a list of the countries that you have included in the total. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

:::: Ok here goes: Costa Rica 4,645, Cuba 141,348, Salvador 16,499, Guatemala 10,466, Honduras 84,125, Nicaragua 35,478, Panama 5,261, Dominican Republic 173,531, Mexico 53,811, Argentina 256,071, Bolivia 171,399, Brazil 131,072, Chile 57,588, Colombia 394,431, Ecuador 404,414, Paraguay 90,974, Peru 201,993, Uruguay 75,770, Venezuela 255,071.Negin2019 (talk) 14:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

::::: I suggest only including those countries with over 50,000 residents.Negin2019 (talk) 15:00, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

::::::I think we should list them all, {{u|Negin2019}}, so that readers can tell which countries are included in the total. On that note, unless I have miscalculated, the numbers you give above add up to 2,563,947, not 2,566,683. Is there a mistake somewhere? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:50, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

:::::::There was a category called "Other South America" and "Other Central America/Caribbean". I don't know if it accounts for Puerto Ricans or people from small countries/territories in the region. Do you want to include them as an "other"? Negin2019 (talk) 09:49, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

::::::::Can we be sure that the countries included in those categories are also categorised as Latin American? Cordless Larry (talk) 16:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

::::::::Uff difficult. It may include people from Trinidad, Haiti, Jamaica or places like that. We could exclude the "other" category and redo the numbers again. Or we could write "South America and the Caribbean" for the total numbers. Negin2019 (talk) 11:11, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

:::::::::Yes, I think we need to clarify this, {{u|Negin2019}}, as it sounds like the figures currently in the article might be incorrect. An alternative would be to quote a secondary source that has done the calculation based on the INE data, if you know of one. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

::::::::::Cordless Larry here is the government source for preferential treatment of Latin Americans, Filipinos, Equatorial Guineans and Portuguese - 2 years of residence regardless of ancestry. https://www.mjusticia.gob.es/cs/Satellite/Portal/es/ciudadanos/tramites-gestiones-personales/nacionalidad-residencia1 Here is government source on rule regarding grandchildren of Spaniards. Npte the rule says that the grandfather needs not to have been born in Spain just to have held Spanish citizenship at some point. https://leymemoria.mjusticia.gob.es/cs/Satellite/LeyMemoria/es/concesion-nacionalidad/descendientes-espanoles As for the thing that it potentially applies to "millions". I think this is logical enough to not require a source since 250,000 have already benefited from this rule. In 1960 there were around 1.25 million Spanish born citizens residing as immigrants in Latin America. A further 100,000 emigrated there between 1968 and 1990. https://web.archive.org/web/20150924051301/http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/servlet/SirveObras/00360514432614895232268/catalogo11/11%20inve.pdf# Negin2019 (talk) 11:45, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

The total number of Latin Americans in Spain is now over 3.1 million according to the INE. https://www.ine.es/jaxi/Tabla.htm?path=/t20/e245/p04/provi/l0/&file=00000009.px&L=0

88.18.163.39 (talk) 21:52, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

According to the French government figures, France has as of 2018 6.7 million immigrants out of which only 5.4% are born in the Americas and Australasia - Roughly 360,000 people, a large % of which I assume are not from Latin America. Therefore figures like 200,000 Colombians in France are just ridiculous. I even find 70,000 suspect considering the language barrier. https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/3633212#tableau-Econtinent_radio1 --Php2000 (talk) 15:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Number of Colombians in France is available here. https://datosmacro.expansion.com/demografia/migracion/emigracion/colombia 29,983. Seems like a plausible figure as of 2019. --Php2000 (talk) 21:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

:The [https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/data/estimates2/estimates19.asp 2019 UN migrant stock data] gives the same figure of 29,983 for Colombians in France. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)