Talk:Million Dollar Extreme#"White Supremacist" Short Description

Looks like they did [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/sam-hyde-million-dollar-extreme-live-comedy-show-tickets-961778594667 a show in D.C. on Aug 22, 2024].

I think we can probably agree that eventbrite.com [https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/23/eventbrite-files-for-200-million-ipo/ "has a reputation for fact-checking and reliability"] in regard to selling tickets to shows that exist.

Talk page first because this is obviously already a topic of discussion.

ClifV (talk) 16:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

:Issuing an IPO has nothing at all to do with fact checking and accuracy, and the ticket listing is a WP:PRIMARY source for a single event which lacks context. Without a good source for their recent activity, there's not much to say about this. Grayfell (talk) 18:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

::What context are you looking for here other than, as stated in the source, Sam Hyde, Nick Rochefort, and Charles Carroll performed under the name Million Dollar Extreme under a month ago? ClifV (talk) 18:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

::: You need a secondary source, plain and simple. I went looking. I don't see one. I don't actually see any recent reliable sources that mention the group as a separate entity - the sources I'm seeing only use the phrase "Million Dollar Extreme" as a shorthand descriptor of the show "Million Dollar Extreme Presents: World Peace". THis raises the possibility that, while the show is notable enough for an article (it has one), the term "Million Dollar Extreme" may not be. If this article were presented for deletion, and the deletion discussion proposed that this content be merged into the show's article, I would support that. Fred Zepelin (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

::::Concur with Fred; if someone actually wrote about the show neutrally, there we go, that's acceptable. A show's ticket site, as I have said many times in the past with removing their Gumroad as they refuse to bother with a regular website with an about us page, is not acceptable in itself as an RS. And in August 2024, surely someone out there would write about this performance, unless they required everyone to throw their phones in Yonder pouches and required an NDA to watch the show under threat of a lawsuit if they revealed anything about it, but there are no sources outside that one (or RSS aggregators just going right back to the same page) to be found. Nate • (chatter) 19:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::I'll buy it. I did a quick run through of recent sources featuring Sam Hyde and the group doesn't get mentioned except in the past tense. Looks like the recent show was a one-off. ClifV (talk) 20:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

::::It seems to (have) exist(ed)[http://web.archive.org/web/20150115010932/https://www.avclub.com/article/take-in-the-work-of-the-comedy-provocateurs-in-mil-96712]. I was not aware of the group before this little episode, but given that most of their notability seems to stem from the show I don't think a merge would be unwarranted.

::::ClifV (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

::And what of a source for MDE's supposed dissolution? What sources substantiate MDE being a "former" sketch troupe? 114.77.179.191 (talk) 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:::How interesting. Still no answer. 114.77.179.191 (talk) 10:50, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

As everyone except a handful of recalcitrant pedants and Wikipedia editors (but I repeat myself) knows, the group is still active. The claims of this entry to the contrary are obviously inaccurate. See their website: https://www.mde.tv/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.186.38 (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Million_Dollar_Extreme&diff=prev&oldid=951955905] in this edit Charls Carroll is moved to former member, and Frank Hassle is added as a member, no sources are added to back up these changes.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Million_Dollar_Extreme&oldid=963601999]Here Hassle being listed as a member along with Carroll being listed as a former member is correctly reverted.

But then right after [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Million_Dollar_Extreme&oldid=963603569] Carroll is moved back to being incorrectly listed as a former member.

JT Blaahaa (talk) 10:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:Another recent edit changed is to was in the first line, suggesting that they have disbanded. If that is so, surely everyone is a former member. But that change was also unsourced. Do we know if they are still going? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:58, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

::They are still going, their most recent video as Million Dollar Extreme was released April 27th but I can't find anything that isn't youtube/twitter/instagram posts or the groups website to support that.

::But like you said I don't think there is anything that supports the "was/is" change in the first place, besides maybe the passage of time since an article has been written about them as a group. JT Blaahaa (talk) 11:51, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I've edited the page to put these back as current. We'll need a source to say otherwise. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC)