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1. Shouldn't all the images of Muhammad be removed because they might offend Muslims?
2. Aren't the images of Muhammad false?
3. How can I hide the images using my personal Wikipedia settings?
4. Why does the infobox at the top of the article contain a stylized logo and not a picture of Muhammad?
5. Why is Muhammad's name not followed by (pbuh) or (saw) in the article?
6. Why does the article say that Muhammad is the "founder" of Islam?
7. Why does it look like the article is biased towards secular or "Western" references?
8. Why can't I edit this article as a new or anonymous user?
9. Can censorship be employed on Wikipedia?
10. Because Muhammad married an underage girl, should the article say he was a pedophile?

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The following text is from the article:

"When Muhammad came to his senses, he felt scared; he started to think that after all of this spiritual struggle, he had been visited by a jinn, which made him no longer want to live. In desperation, Muhammad fled from the cave and began climbing up towards the top of the mountain to jump to his death. "

The part where it says "Muhammad fled from the cave and began climbing up towards the top of the mountain to jump to his death." is false, despite it being found in Sahih Al Bukhari, it is known to have a defective chain for attributing to unknown sources. If we were to compare any other historical hadith about it we won't find any source claiming he attempted suicide.

Karim Ibn Karim (talk) 10:19, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:This is a lie, Sahih Al Bukhari is considered the most authoritative collection of hadiths in Sunni Islam. But if you have a reliable reference feel free to edit the article. 173.230.28.18 (talk) 21:43, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

::What you have said is true, however to comprehend the error in this narration which is present in [https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6982 Sahih al-Bukhari 6982] it is necessary to have some knowledge on usul al Hadith.

::The great scholar that made the famous Fath Al-Bari, explanation of Sahih Al Bukhari, Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani wrote:

::"And the author’s arrangement suggests that it is part of ‘Aqil’s narration. Al-Humaydi, in his compilation, proceeded accordingly, carrying the hadith to the phrase “and the revelation ceased,” then stating: “The narration of ‘Aqil, transmitted in a singular report from Ibn Shuhba, ends at the point we have mentioned.” Al-Bukhari then augmented it in his hadith associated with Maʿmar, from al-Zuhri, by saying: “And the revelation ceased for a period until the Prophet became grieved,” and he continued it to the end. In my view, this additional phrase is specific to Maʿmar’s narration. For indeed, it was transmitted via the chain of ‘Aqil—Abū Nuʿaym recorded it in his extract from the chain of Abū Zarʿah al-Rāzī, from Yaḥyā ibn Bakīr, the teacher of al-Bukhārī, in the beginning of the book without it—and he transmitted it here in conjunction with Maʿmar’s narration, thereby indicating that the expression belongs to Maʿmar. Likewise, al-Ismāʿīlī explicitly stated that the addition is in Maʿmar’s narration, and it was also transmitted by Aḥmad, Muslim, al-Ismāʿīlī, and others, as well as by Abū Nuʿaym from a collection transmitted from some of al-Layth’s companions from al-Layth without it. Moreover, the narrator in what has reached us is al-Zuhri, and the implication is that, in the entirety of what has come to us concerning the report of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ in this story, it is derived from al-Zuhri’s eloquence and is not part of a connected (continuous) report."

::Al-Karmānī said: “This is what appears to be the case."

::Source: Fath Al Bari Chapter 12, page 359.

::The scholar Al-Suyuti commenteed on the hadith stating: "("As we have heard"): This is the statement of al-Zuhri."

::Source: Kitab al-Tawshih Sharh al-Jami' al-Sahih Chapter 9.

::The great scholar Al-Albani stated:

::I say: This attribution to al-Bukhari is a grave mistake because it implies that the story of his attempted suicide is authentic according to the criteria of al-Bukhari, which is not the case. The clarification is that al-Bukhari narrated it in the last part of the hadith of Aisha about the beginning of revelation, which Dr. (1/51-53) has mentioned. It is found in al-Bukhari in the beginning of (Interpretation) (12/297-304 Fath) through the chain of narrators including Ma'mar: Al-Zuhri told me, from Urwah, from Aisha... and the hadith continues until the statement: "And the revelation paused." Al-Zuhri added: "Until the Prophet (peace be upon him) became so sad – as it reached us – that he would sometimes go to the tops of mountains, intending to throw himself off. Whenever he reached the summit of a mountain to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear to him."

::Source: Kitab Difaa' 'an al-Hadith al-Nabawi Page 40.

::Please cheeck the following hadiths and note that these do not have any mentions on attempted suicide:

::https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4953

::https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3

::https://sunnah.com/muslim:160a

::And for the lenghty explanation, please read from the following website:

::[https://islamqa.info/en/answers/152611/the-reports-which-suggest-that-the-prophet-blessings-and-peace-of-allah-be-upon-him-contemplated-suicide-are-flawed-in-both-their-chains-of-narration-or-their-texts Islamqa.info, The reports which suggest that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) contemplated suicide are flawed in both their chains of narration or their texts] Karim Ibn Karim (talk) 12:30, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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:::[Please read the previous comments in this topic]

:::Original text present in the wikipedia article of Muhammad: "Shortly after Waraqa's death, the revelations ceased for a period, causing Muhammad great distress and thoughts of suicide. On one occasion, he reportedly climbed a mountain intending to jump off. However, upon reaching the peak, Gabriel appeared to him, affirming his status as the true Messenger of God. This encounter soothed Muhammad, and he returned home. Later, when there was another long break between revelations, he repeated this action, but Gabriel intervened similarly, calming him and causing him to return home."

:::Remove the following content: "and thoughts of suicide. On one occasion, he reportedly climbed a mountain intending to jump off. However, upon reaching the peak, Gabriel appeared to him, affirming his status as the true Messenger of God. This encounter soothed Muhammad, and he returned home. Later, when there was another long break between revelations, he repeated this action, but Gabriel intervened similarly, calming him and causing him to return home." this is not accurate, as previously discussed in this topic we find this information in https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6982 however several sunni scholars have discussed this already as we find in https://islamqa.info/en/answers/152611/the-reports-which-suggest-that-the-prophet-blessings-and-peace-of-allah-be-upon-him-contemplated-suicide-are-flawed-in-both-their-chains-of-narration-or-their-texts. Karim Ibn Karim (talk) 13:13, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:It still seems that there is a claim of such suicidal thoughts. Whether the Islamic community accepts them as true is not really our concern. We should state that such a claim exists and that Muslims dispute its veracity. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, fellow wikipedian! Yes, there can be a claim of such suicidal thoughts that go back to sunni sources indeed, however none of them meet the criteria of an authentic narration.

::While yes, such claim can be mantained without an issue, it should be further explained as from now the present text suggests that Muhammad did indeed try to end his life.

::So yes, either removal or further explanation would be good options in this case. Karim Ibn Karim (talk) 09:38, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:::@Karim Ibn Karim. I checked the referenced source.

:::Muhammad A Prophet for out time by

:::Karen Armstrong and it doesn't have anything on suicide. So, the only thing that is referenced is a primary source of Sirah Ibn Hisham.

:::This should either be removed or referenced with a secondary source. Anas Riaz (talk) 06:23, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

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@AimanAbir18plus, hello. You added this pic [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad&diff=1270197000&oldid=1269575026].

Personally, I don't think it adds very much, though the Kaaba is of course mentioned (and pictured) in the article. That part of the article is somewhat crowded with pictures, and this time (I reverted you once before) you've introduced MOS:SANDWHICH problems, at least on my laptop. Also, there is an invisible message in that section which says:

"PLEASE NOTE: The consensus to include images of Muhammad emerged after extensive months-long discussions and efforts on both sides to balance multiple competing interests. Please do not remove or reposition these images because you feel they are against your religion. Please do not add more images or reposition the current ones to prove a point. To avoid pointless revert-warring, blocking and page protection, please discuss any prospective changes on the talk page. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia."

So, I think we can do without this pic. Opinions, editors? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:19, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:I agree; there's enough images in that area as is. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 11:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:The section is about "Conquest of Mecca" and this image depicts that (Muhammad is praying at the Kaaba after conquering it). So, I think the image makes sense and important for the visualization of the context. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 11:24, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:I am also in favour of keeping the image. Lova Falk (talk) 09:41, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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Please add S. A. W. after name Muhammad. 108.199.130.201 (talk) 04:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{not done}}: Please see WP:PBUH; thank you for your understanding. Remsense ‥ 论 04:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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I've opened a discussion at Talk:Names and titles of Muhammad#Can't this article be merged to Muhammad? It would be great to know what others think of merging that article to this one. Tamsier (talk) 02:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

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41.56.148.60 (talk) 03:50, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Good morning/afternoon. Assalaamu Alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatu.

I have stumbled across a answer tab with arrow on Google relating to the passing of Prophet Muhammad (SAW)’s death. And it started that …

“ -What was the reason of Prophet Muhammad's death?

In desperation, Muhammad fled from the cave and began climbing up towards the top of the mountain to jump to his death.

https://en.wikipedia.org

Muhammad - Wikipedia“

I find the above Wikipedia answer highly disturbing and false.

After i searched the above statement from Google. The response I got from AI google was the following..

“While the first revelation to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) did occur in a cave on Mount Hira (Jabal al-Nour) after meeting Jibril (Gabriel), the tradition doesn't state that he ran to the top of the mountain after the encounter.“

So i would request to kindly please remove this statement as it is inaccurate based on his death and neither was it mentioned by any Sunni scholars of Islam, rather that Angel Jibreel (Gabriel) instructing him Prophet Muhammad (SAW) the 3rd time to read and held him so tight that the prophet through he was going to die and the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) asked Angel Jibreel thereafter “what shall I read?” And Angel Jibreel instructed him to Recite Surah-Al Alaq and Prophet Muhammad SAW ran down towards his home.

41.56.148.60 (talk) 04:14, 21 March 2025 (UTC) /Isnad (chain of transmitters) -> “Muhammad ibn ‘Umar told us: Ibraaheem ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Moosa told me, from Daawood ibn al-Husayn, from Abu Ghatafaan ibn Tareef, from Ibn ‘Abbaas, that after the revelation came to the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) in Hiraa’, he did not see Jibreel for several days, and he felt so sad that he went to Thabeer (mountain) and to Hiraa’, wanting to throw himself down from the mountaintop. Whilst the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was like that, going to one of these mountains, he heard a voice from heaven. So the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) stopped, shocked by the voice, then he lifted his head and saw Jibreel, sitting on a chair between heaven and earth, saying: “O Muhammad, you are indeed the Messenger of Allah, and I am Jibreel.” So the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) left, after Allah had comforted him and put his mind at rest. Then the revelation started to come frequently

:{{not done}}: Based on your description, it appears that a Google page somewhere is incorrectly interpreting the text of this article. If my understanding of your claim is correct, you can go to the article itself, under the section named 'Beginnings of the Quran' and see that the description aligns with the traditional narrative of these events; in fact, one of the supporting sources for this narrative/claim is the Quran itself.
If you feel that Google is incorrectly depicting the narrative laid out in the Quran, then you should make a complaint to Google. Wikipedia does not have any say regarding how Google chooses to use the Wikipedia content, in fact, Wikipedia could not stop them if it wanted to. As Wikipedia's content is freely licensed under Creative Commons, anyone can use it in almost any way they want, with few exceptions. Melmann 22:22, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

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On the line:

Muhammad[a][b] (c. 570 – 8 June 632 CE)[c] was an Arab religious and political leader and the the founder of Islam.

Change the grammar/typo to

Muhammad[a][b] (c. 570 – 8 June 632 CE)[c] was an Arab religious and political leader and the founder of Islam. JustinJZhang (talk) 13:15, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}} Remsense ‥ 论 13:18, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Please change the name of respected prophet from "Muhammad" to Hazrat/Respected Prophet Muhammad Sallalah-o-Alaihi-Wa'alihi-Wasallam.

It's a sin to just call him by name. 103.125.177.44 (talk) 11:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:See Talk:Muhammad#Frequently_asked_questions,_please_read_before_posting #5. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:Why is this? I'm not trying to be rude or mean, I'm just curious, I am not a follower of Islam, so I don't know much about it, though I am trying to learn more. Would someone mind explaining this to me? I do not understand why it is sinful to call him the prophet Muhammad or even just Muhammad. Again, I'm not a follower of Islam so aside from what were are learning right now in my religion class, I do not know much about it. 74.83.253.247 (talk) 21:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

::Perhaps Islamic honorifics has something that interests you, 74.83. You can also try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. This talkpage is for discussing improvements to the Muhammad WP-article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

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Add the Diplomatic career of Muhammad 116.12.36.69 (talk) 15:39, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:See Muhammad#Constitution_of_Medina. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)