Talk:Nausicaa (opera)/GA1

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Reviewer: Jonathanischoice (talk · contribs) 22:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I'm planning to review this over the next few days; it looks like it will be straightforward though, given Cinadon36 has already done most of the work! Jon (talk) 22:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

: I will assess some of the GA criteria and add comments below over the next while, and then leave some time for discussion/editing (I'm fascinated now to track down the Athens recording; [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vihIbLyCLjo duet] here)

::@Jon, I am glad to see that you, a fellow music-related Wikipedian, are genuinely interested in this article! Recently, I found an Internet Archive link where the whole recording is availabe. I asked User: Diannaa about the copyrights, and whether I could include the link at the External links section, but she knew not. I also found a probably safer to use link, with [https://archive.org/details/cd_peggy-glanville-hicks-nausicaa_peggy-glanville-hicks samples from the official recording]. What do you think? Are we to include any of these in the article as "External links"? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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style="vertical-align:top;" | colspan="3" | 1. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|1}}: {{GATable/item|1a|y|Minor concerns addressed below }} {{GATable/item|1b|y|Lead ok; layout ok; w2w ok; fiction n/a; lists, okay as a table (Roles). }}

style="vertical-align:top;" | colspan="3" | 2. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|2}}: {{GATable/item|2a|y|Satisfactory. }} {{GATable/item|2b|y|Citations are good; § Synopsis is cited once as needed. }} {{GATable/item|2c|y|I'm satisfied there's nothing novel or controversial here that isn't covered in the sources. }} {{GATable/item|2d|y|The {{copyvios|Nausicaa (opera)|label=copyvio report}} returns nothing alarming; the 58% match is due to a quotation, which is cited; Synopsis avoids violation. }}

style="vertical-align:top;" | colspan="3" | 3. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|3}}: {{GATable/item|3a|y| }} {{GATable/item|3b|y| }} {{GATable/item|4|y| }} {{GATable/item|5|y|There's nothing controversial in the talk page; no sign of edit-warring etc. }}

style="vertical-align:top;" | colspan="3" | 6. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|6}}: {{GATable/item|6a|y|Image tags are sufficient and valid. }} {{GATable/item|6b|y|Satisfactory use of images. }} {{GATable/item|7|y| }}

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• Per MOS:LEAD it is good to choose tags for the English variant and date format used in the article. Up to you, but use of "-ise" (characterise, improvised, etc.) would probably preclude {{tl|Use American English}}, which also suggests {{tl|Use dmy dates}} since {{tl|Use mdy dates}} is mainly for US variants.

::@Jon, I added {{tl|Use dmy dates}} and {{EngvarB}; do you think that the latter contradicts the {{British English} tag placed at the article's talk page? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 13:41, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Link "Greek musical tradition" (para 1) to Music of Greece or Greek traditional music

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• Link to Nausicaa, Odysseus (para 2).

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• {{tq|Graves accepted the composer's proposal; from 1956 to 1958 the two of them collaborated to write the opera's libretto}} could be improved, perhaps "Graves accepted the composer's proposal, and they worked together from 1956 to 1958 on the opera's libretto"

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• Having established the period 1956-1958 in the previous sentence, "For this purpose" would be clearer as "During this time"

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• The paragraph discussing the composer's connection of melody to prosody could perhaps link to prosody (music) which covers similar concepts.

::@User:Jonathanischoice. In the passage cited, Glanville-Hicks focuses on the linguistic prosody (as expressed in "she had made it possible for every word to be "heard pretty well""), so, in a literal sense, the article to be linked is prosody (linguistics); however, for every word to be "heard pretty well", a certain compositional technique is required, which means that the matter also pertains to musical prosody. So, what wikilink do we go with? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

::: Perhaps on second thoughts we can leave it as is.

• {{tq|thus hinting at the much more massive Greek-speaking audience...}} is a bit awkward; perhaps "which (appealed to? resonated with?) the primarily Greek-speaking audience of the première"

::Oh my, I badly misused the phrase! {{done}} L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• "published on Time" should be "in" not "on" (I'm sure it was published in a timely fashion!)

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{{collapse top|Athens Festival premiere}}

• Link to first instance in prose of Nausicaa (the character) per MOS:L

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• I think the article undersells the audience reception of the opera by describing it as "well received" (para 4). We could make more of its success, given the description in the recording liner notes: It received three performances at the Festival and was a major success in the international press. Variety wrote: “A ten minute ovation greeted the world premiere of Peggy Glanville-Hicks new opera Nausicaa in the ancient Theatre of Herod Atticus at the Acropolis in the heart of Athens. The cast of 150 won eight curtain calls from the capacity crowd of 4,800 which overflowed into the aisles.” (NWCR695, p. 1)

: It's not needed for GA, but it might be fun to track down the 1961 Variety review, perhaps in the [https://archive.org/details/pub_variety IA archive].

• I think this sounds a bit too final: {{tq|However, in spite of all its success, the opera was never again produced}}; perhaps something like "Despite its success, the opera has not yet been produced since its premiere" sounds a little more hopeful; it may be worth noting that [https://www.arco.org.au/mario-dobernig Mario Dobernig's] 2014 PhD thesis ([https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/197893196 Trove]) involved creating a performance edition of the score.

::@Jon, I tried my best; what do you think? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 22:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:::Good I think - I added a little about the audience reception too.

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• Links to Nausicaa and Odysseus (para 1)

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• Link Drepanum to Drepana (para 1)

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• Link Greek city state to Polis

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• Link Sicily

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• Link The Odyssey to Odyssey

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• Link Athena (Act I, para 2)

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• Link "hubristic" to hubris?

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• Link "arching" to archery

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• I suspect "Hercules" should link to Heracles the Greek hero, since Hercules is about the Roman one

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— Jon (talk) 22:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:@Jon, I couldn't have hoped for a more detailed and insightful review! That is exactly what I wanted, all my errors and omissions traced and listed so that I can spot and fix them, plus some exciting new info to further enrich the article. Thank you! Responding soon. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 13:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:: All up excellent work! Thanks also for highlighting a sadly neglected opera, and a composer whose works certainly deserve more performances, and no doubt helping with Wikipedia:WikiProject Women too. — Jon (talk) 05:38, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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