Talk:Puelche language#Requested move 31 March 2025

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Requested move 31 March 2025

:Puelche language → {{no redirect|Gününa Küne language}} – "Gününa Küne" is used far more often in modern literature. I have not encountered one modern work which refers to Gününa Küne as "Puelche", excepting Glottolog. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:37, 31 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 11:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{asterisk}}and Ethnologue 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:39, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. The four entries upon the Puelche disambiguation page list "*Puelche people, an indigenous people of Argentina and Chile *Puelche language, spoken by the Puelche people *Puelche (wind), a dry wind of Chile *Puelches, La Pampa, a village in Argentina". If the nomination contends that the Puelche people spoke the Gününa Küne language, then such contention is not supported by 7 among the 11 other Wikipedias which carry the Puelche language entry. Thus, it is unlikely that English, which does not use accents and/or diacritics (other than occasionally for borrowed words) would use the proposed form, with two diacritics, as the preferable one, rather than the non-diacritic form used by many other languages. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:38, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:In virtually all current academic literature that I have seen, "Gününa Küne" is the typical way of referring to the language, rather than "Puelche", which I encounter in older literature, and appears to have fallen out of use. It meets all criteria of WP:COMMONNAME, based on my evaluation. And "Gününa Küne" in this instance would probably constitute a borrowing from Gününa Küne itself. I believe that WP:OTHERLANGUAGEEXISTS may apply here, but in the context of pagenames rather than deletion. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
Oppose unless I see some actual evidence of the claim used to justify the RM. --Cambalachero (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:Some examples of literature using "Gününa Küne" as the name:
:*{{cite journal |last1=Viegas-Barros |first1=José Pedro |year=1992 |title=La familia lingüística tehuelche |trans-title=The Tehuelche linguistic family |url=https://www.bfa.fcnym.unlp.edu.ar/catalogo/doc_num.php?explnum_id=2653 |journal=Revista Patagónica |language=es |volume= |pages=39–46 |issn= |number=54}}
:*{{Citation |last=Campbell |first=Lyle |title=Indigenous Languages of South America |date=2024-06-25 |work=The Indigenous Languages of the Americas |pages=182–279 |url=https://academic.oup.com/book/57386/chapter/464719092 |access-date=2025-04-13 |edition=1 |publisher=Oxford University PressNew York |language=en |doi=10.1093/oso/9780197673461.003.0004 |isbn=978-0-19-767346-1}}
:*{{Cite book |last=Grondona |first=Verónica |title=The Indigenous Languages of South America: A Comprehensive Guide |date=2012 |publisher=De Gruyter |isbn=978-3-11-025803-5 |editor-last=Campbell |editor-first=Lyle |location=Erscheinungsort nicht ermittelbar}}
:*{{Cite book |last=Casamiquela |first=Rodolfo |url= |title=Nociones de gramática del gününa-küne |date=1983 |publisher=CNRS |location=Paris}}
:*{{Cite publication|last=Fernández Garay |first=Ana Valentina (directora) |last2=Malvestitti |first2=Liliana Marisa |last3=Díaz Fernández |first3=Antonio Edmundo |last4=Orden |first4=María Emilia |last5=Navarro |first5=Herminia Elsa |last6=Reynoso Savio |first6=María Carolina |last7=Diez |first7=Marta Susana |date=2011-11-30 |title=Lingüística descriptiva y tipológica de lenguas indígenas de Argentina, con énfasis en la región patagónica : mapudungun/ranquel, tehuelche o aonek'o ?a?jen, teushen, gününa küne, selknam, haush |url=https://repo.unlpam.edu.ar/handle/unlpam/499}}
:*{{Cite web |title=The ASJP Database - Wordlist Gununa Kune |url=https://asjp.clld.org/languages/GUNUNA_KUNE |access-date=2025-04-13 |website=asjp.clld.org}}
:*{{Cite web |title=WALS Online - Language Gününa Küne |url=https://wals.info/languoid/lect/wals_code_gku |access-date=2025-04-13 |website=wals.info}}
:*{{Cite web |title=The ASJP Database - Wordlist Gununa Kune |url=https://asjp.clld.org/languages/GUNUNA_KUNE |access-date=2025-04-13 |website=asjp.clld.org}}
:*{{Cite web |title=Did you know Gününa-Küne is dormant? |url=https://www.endangeredlanguages.com/lang/2899 |access-date=2025-04-13 |website=Endangered Languages |language=en}}
:*{{Cite book |last=Gerzenstein |first=Ana |url=https://books.google.ca/books/about/Fonologia_de_la_lengua_g%C3%BCn%C3%BCna_k%C3%ABna.html?id=WJgHAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y |title=Fonología de la Lengua Gününa-Këna |date=1968 |publisher=Universidad de Buenos Aires |series=Cuadernos de Lingüística Indígena |volume=5 |location=Buenos Aires}}
:*{{Cite book |last=Viegas Barros |first=J. Pedro |url=https://glottolog.org/resource/reference/id/143541 |chapter=El gününa küne y las lenguas chon: ¿difusión o parentesco remoto? |title=Voces en el viento, Raíces lingüísticas de la Patagonia|pages=138-152 |date=2005 |publisher=Ed. Mondragón |location=Buenos Aires|isbn=978-9871163045}}
:*{{Cite book |last=Fabre |first=Alain |url=https://www.ling.fi/Entradas%20diccionario/Dic=Chon.pdf |title=Diccionario etnolingüístico y guía bibliográfica de los pueblos indígenas sudamericanos. |date=2005 |chapter=Chon}}
:"Gününa yajüch", which refers to the language in Gününa Küne itself is also used, though not as much which is why I propose moving to "Gününa Küne".
:*{{Cite thesis |last=Orden |first=María Emilia |title=Descripción de la lengua günün a iajüch |date=2018 |degree=phd |publisher=Universidad Nacional del Sur |url=https://repositoriodigital.uns.edu.ar/bitstream/handle/123456789/4470/Tesis%20UNS-%20ORDEN%20ME(15-12-2018).pdf}}
:*{{Citation |last=Orden |first=María Emilia |title=La frase nominal en gününa iajëch |date=2008 |work=XI Congreso de la Sociedad Argentina de Lingüística en la Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la Universidad Nacional del Litoral: Coloquio Lenguas Indígenas sudamericanas: aspectos morfosintácticos y léxicos |pages=1–12 |url= |access-date=2025-04-13 |place=Buenos Aires |publisher=CONICET}}
:*{{Cite web |title=Glottolog 5.1 - Viegas Barros, Pedro J. 2005 |url=https://www.academia.edu/26775006/_2009_Un_nuevo_an%C3%A1lisis_fonol%C3%B3gico_del_G%C3%BCn%C3%BCna_Yaj%C3%BCch |access-date=2025-04-13 |website=glottolog.org |language=en}}
:*{{Cite journal |last=Fernández Garay |first=Ana |last2=Orden |first2=María Emilia |date=2008 |title=Palabras del sur : análisis morfológico del Günün a iájëch |url=https://repo.unlpam.edu.ar/bitstream/handle/unlpam/4853/n09a23orden.pdf |journal=Anuario de la Facultad de Ciencias Humanas|issn=2314-3983}}
:Examples of "Puelche" used as the name:
:*{{Citation |last=Moseley |first=Christopher |title=Atlas of the world's languages |date=1994 |access-date= |place=London ; New York |publisher=Routledge |isbn=978-0-415-01925-5 |last2=Asher |first2=R. E. |last3=Tait |first3=Mary}}
:*Ethnologue
:*{{Cite journal |last=Bernard |first=Dianala M. |last2=Benn |first2=Maren A. |date=2025 |title=REVITALIZATION OR RECLAMATION? REFRAMING THE RECOVERY OF INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES IN LATIN AMERICA: A HISTORICAL AND AIDRIVEN APPROACH |url=https://ijlllc.org/uploads2025/LLLC_04_103..pdf |journal=International Journal of Language, Linguistics, Literature and Culture |volume=04 |issue=01 |pages=104–131 |doi=10.59009/ijlllc.2025.0103}}
:*{{Cite web |title=Glottolog 5.1 - Puelche |url=https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/puel1244 |access-date=2025-04-13 |website=glottolog.org}}
:🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:Note: WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas, WikiProject Argentina, and WikiProject Languages have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 00:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Support. Gününa Küne is the term used by the [https://www.endangeredlanguages.com/lang/2899 Endangered Languages Project], [https://ids.clld.org/contributions/312 Intercontinental Language Series], [https://wals.info/languoid/lect/wals_code_gku World Atlas of Language Structures Online]. Meanwhile, Omniglot mentioned Gününa Küne as an alternative to [https://www.omniglot.com/writing/tehuelche.htm Tehuelche (Aonek’o ’á’jen)] but not Puelche (Puelche is never mentioned on [https://www.google.com/search?q=Puelche+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.omniglot.com&oq=Puelche+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.omniglot.com&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDQxNDRqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Omniglot]). Puelche does show up in several Wikipedia-related sites. —Yuchitown (talk) 02:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)