Talk:Richard Hanania

I added a source on his politics from last year linking him to the New Right.

• Zack Beauchamp. [https://www.vox.com/23460428/midterm-elections-new-right-2022-results How the right’s radical thinkers are coping with the midterms]. Vice. November 22, 2022.

The article quotes a comment Hanania made as recent as last year saying: "[I]f I owned Twitter, I wouldn’t let feminists, trans activists, or socialists post." The idea he renounced his fascist and right-wing authoritarian views is laughable.2A00:23C6:C022:C701:904E:8571:793:B0EA (talk) 13:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

:Hanania is a known shitposter. He a satirist. This is almost certaintly an (edgy) joke. Pintoza (talk) 21:43, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

::We are, to my knowledge, forced to take his claims at face value. No critical distance, especially not without journalistic sources to qualify it. Sorry. RationalWikian (talk) 20:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

As recent as October 2023 he was supporting neo-fascist Bronze Age Pervert on social media. I added a source:

• Ali Breland. [https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/10/bronze-age-pervert-costin-alamariu/ Is the Bronze Age Pervert Going Mainstream?]. MotherJones. October 2, 2023.

I agree with an IP editor in a section two above. Hanania is still far-right. The idea he renounced his fascist/white nationalist views is patently false when you take a glimpse of his social media where he is openly praising fascists and far-right figures as recent as 9 months ago. 51.6.193.169 (talk) 01:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

:I'd be interested to see the tweets in question here. But tweets alone are not notable. A reliable source would have to report on those tweets to merit reference here. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

:: I found a recent source calling him far-right:

{{quotebox|Tommy Castellani and Sam Hudson. [https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/27106 ‘Race realist’ fellow: Uni was ‘aware’ of my ‘controversial interests’ before hiring me]. Varsity. February 16, 2024. "Cofnas told far-right political science researcher Richard Hanania that “getting a job, especially for me, requires a certain amount of miracle."}}

Is this appropriate for lead? I noticed my edit was reverted. Note that Hanania gave Nathan Cofnas - a eugenicist and proponent of scientific racism who has [https://www.varsity.co.uk/news/27035 argued] to "preserve racial distinctions" and [https://openpsych.net/person/profile/137/ published] at OpenPsych - a platform on his podcast and sympathised with his talking points. This was as recent as February 2024. Are we really expected to believe Hanania is a reformed racist when he still associates and gives a platform to people like Cofnas? 51.6.193.169 (talk) 11:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

:No one sourced is not enough in a wp:blp to label someone. 11:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

:Far-right is, in fact, too vague. There are good WP:RS calling him a wehite supremacist, and that's what we should go with. AbolitionistGal (talk) 01:19, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

::I have called him a "far-right commentator" as a potential compromise. Besides, it says "White supremacist" and "American eugenicist" in his categories already. I think this is solid enough for now. RationalWikian (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

This article gives the impression hes aligned with the "New Right" when in reality a lot of his recent writings have been criticizing the "New Right" and preferring establishment politics he even has made it clear he seems to prefer the Harris/Walz ticket than the New Right Trump/Vance ticket. BenDoleman (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if sourced to wp:rs and as long as no Slatersteven (talk) 12:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

::Of course not. Hanania is a minor figure. We could only discuss this if there were multiple independent WP:SECONDARY sources. Blogs and podcast appearances don't count, they're meaningless. As it stands, and apart from the "Hoste" crap, Hanania is simply not original enough to have anybody write journalistic articles about him. Until then, AbolitionistGal (talk) 01:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

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{{File:Hanania 2024 with metadata.jpg {{ping|Werner Zagrebbi|Zenomonoz|Slatersteven|Nathannah}} Discuss the use of the image in the infobox here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:36, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:It has metadata—I think it actually always did. Werner Zagrebbi (talk) 01:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

::It also seems to be out of focus. Slatersteven (talk) 11:37, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:::I'm pretty sure that this picture is an attempt at making the article appear over-the-top as to, somehow, discredit our sustained critique of Hanania's racist belief structures. No need to include this image in the article. RationalWikian (talk) 20:51, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::::That's a lot of information you managed to extract out of literally nothing. PepsiStripMine (talk) 06:49, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::If you say so. We should be careful. RationalWikian (talk) 09:00, 24 April 2025 (UTC)}}

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Regarding Theofunny's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Hanania&diff=prev&oldid=1285954371 edit]: Hanania has [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf3jZ8ToTr0&t=13 stated himself] that he is of Jordanian descent, however I am not sure if any other reliable sources have circulated this information. PepsiStripMine (talk) 05:41, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, will add it back in with this source since it's an WP:ABOUTSELF claim. Zenomonoz (talk) 23:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:I heard he was of Palestinian descent a lot more often. But this is entirely anecdotal. RationalWikian (talk) 20:42, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

But for some reason we're not noting that the people making the claim are left-wing writers? 77.103.122.213 (talk) 16:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:Are they, evidance? Slatersteven (talk) 16:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::Looking up the writers and what they've written. 77.103.122.213 (talk) 17:03, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::In other words, WP:OR. Wikipedia requires sources, not your personal impressions. MrOllie (talk) 17:04, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::::These generally aren't world famous people with a bunch of other writers anaylsing their political views. Would their listing on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllSides work? 77.103.122.213 (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::No, you need a citation that directly supports the whole claim, not just parts of it. Combining sources in that way you propose is also covered by the policy against original research, see the section titled 'Synthesis of published material'. But more generally, trying to undercut the claims of reliable sources by labeling them as opponents of Hanania's 'side' is not something Wikipedia does, so even if you were to produce such a source we wouldn't do it per WP:NPOV. MrOllie (talk) 18:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::There's just one claim, that they're left-wing, and sourced to AllSides. Are you sure Wikipedia doesn't do that? I always see on Wikipedia "Conservatives criticised..." or "Right-wing figures..." 77.103.122.213 (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::When Wikipedia discusses the views of conservatives, they're labelled as such. When a source makes a claim of fact, we don't, because we such labeling would be incorrectly suggest that fact is just an opinion. And that is what your edit would do - make an unsupported claim that their statement of fact is related to their political views - even if one were to agree that AllSides would support that these journalists are 'left-wing' (and it really does not). MrOllie (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Is it not weird that an IP editor and the brand new user ‘rationalwikian’ are both suddenly commenting multiple times on this talk page with seemingly contrasting opinions. It feels like trolling tbh. And the user page description… Zenomonoz (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::"incorrectly suggest that fact is just an opinion". But these are opinion pieces by left-wing writers, not facts that are widely held or repeated by mainstream news outlets. 77.103.122.213 (talk) 22:28, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::We're not going to dismiss obvious factual statements as opinions on your say-so. MrOllie (talk) 22:30, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Hmm, so you regard this opinion by left-wing writers as "obvious factual statements". And RationalWikian's innapropriate changes have gone unreverted for 3 hours, while mine were reverted in just minutes, and both you and Zenomonoz have contributed to the talk page in that time, showing you two must agree with it. Amazing that you would link me the NPOV rule. 77.103.122.213 (talk) 22:40, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::That I have not fixed all problems anywhere does not mean I cannot discuss on this talk page. Also, don't put words in my mouth. MrOllie (talk) 22:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::Please open WP:NPOV and actually read it this time. It's a cool policy indeed. RationalWikian (talk) 09:16, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Consult WP:ALLSIDES as well, rando IP. Most people don't appreciate its use from what I remember. Thanks. RationalWikian (talk) 09:19, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

::This is irrelevant. And he did continue to make racist statements. Seen his Substack anytime recently? RationalWikian (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Now that this "Zenomonoz" even called me a potential troll: [https://www.richardhanania.com/p/how-trump-discredited-higher-order read for yourself why it is very unlikely that Hanania has given up on his white nationalism.] (This article is from 3 days ago!) He is obviously still just as far-right as he used to be. RationalWikian (talk) 09:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

::https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/richard-hanania-origins-of-woke-book/675348/ This is one of the sources listed in the article. Harper self describes as a leftists in the very same article MIMIR MAGNVS (talk) 16:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::That is one source. Slatersteven (talk) 16:15, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Jamelle Bouie is an NYT opinion writer who focuses on racial politics and once wrote that "there was no such thing as a good Trump voter ... People voted for a racist who promised racist outcomes. They don’t deserve your empathy." https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-good-trump-voter.html His recent work at the NYT focuses on criticising Trump https://www.nytimes.com/column/jamelle-bouie

::::Jeet heer writes for The Nation, a progressive paper, and among other things, has criticised "centrist democrats" for not supporting unions https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/shawn-fain-tariffs-democrats-president/

::::Jonathan M Katz is a journalist who wrote the book Gangsters of Captialism and spends alot of time blaming the "Rich" for the worlds problems https://newrepublic.com/article/125419/climate-conference-rich-working-stay-rich https://newrepublic.com/article/125324/climate-talks-money

::::Adam Serwer whose work focuses on Racism and the rise of Trump Adam Serwer and whose recent work at the atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/author/adam-serwer/ focuses almost exclusively on crticising Trump.

::::Cheney Rice https://nymag.com/author/zak-cheney-rice/ Recent work almost exclusively focuses on criticising Trump, including one article from March 21st calling him Fascist.

::::Not saying that this makes their opinion therefore invalid, but its important context that the reader ought to know. MIMIR MAGNVS (talk) 16:58, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::MAny Conservatives oppose Trumpy as well. This is your interpretation of what "left wing" means, and is thus OR. Slatersteven (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/why-are-aoc-and-bernie-so-much-better-at-this.html

::::::Cheney Rice praises AOC and Bernie

::::::https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/trans-rights-skrmetti-trump/681485/

::::::Adam Serwer laments trans rights being under attack

::::::Jamelle Bouie https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/opinion/trump-business-capitalism-democracy.html laments that capitalism severely limits or possibly even threatens democracy

::::::I'm not going to redo the other ones, because my evidence re them wasn't that they supported Trump MIMIR MAGNVS (talk) 17:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::sorry, opposed Trump. MIMIR MAGNVS (talk) 17:22, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::: You need RS saying they are left wing, not your impression that they are. I am now out of here, and this waste of everyone's time needs closing. Slatersteven (talk) 17:25, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::I agree with Slatersteven. Please consult WP:ONUS, "mimir". RationalWikian (talk) 20:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

So no there is no evidence as I have read what they had written and disagree that they are left-wing. Slatersteven (talk) 10:05, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:All the ones I looked up on AllSides say left-wing. 77.103.122.213 (talk) 18:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

::So not all of them? Slatersteven (talk) 09:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I haven't checked all since AllSides was dismissed by Ollie. If they were all listed on AllSides and maybe similar sites as left-wing could we describe them as such? 77.103.122.213 (talk) 05:47, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

::::As it has been dismissed as a source, no. Slatersteven (talk) 12:21, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Ollie dismissed it, but he's already demonstrated he doesn't care about NPOV violations for BLP articles if it favours the left so I don't think that should be the nail in the coffin. This indicates it can be used on a case by case basis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#AllSides 77.103.122.213 (talk) 23:34, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::Making inaccurate personal attacks on me will not mean that you can ignore WP:NOR or POV push. Even if Allsides were acceptable for this case (it isn't) we still wouldn't label journalists this way for the reasons already discussed above. MrOllie (talk) 00:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::You knew about Wikian's NPOV-violating edits but didn't revert it so I don't know what other conclusion there is for that. "Journalists" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here for mostly left-wing opinion writers. 77.103.122.213 (talk) 04:25, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

It should just be a matter of public record that Hanania has taken to Xitter multiple times in hopes of getting his many followers to whitewash his article. See my most recent archive link: https://archive.ph/Polho for the original thread: https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1920481017732968586. RationalWikian (talk) 21:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:No need to reply. It's just informative. RationalWikian (talk) 21:27, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

I just removed this:

:When he was 15 years old, he was sent to the residential treatment program Casa by the Sea, which operated as a center for troubled kids.{{Cite web |last=Hanania |first=Richard |date=April 26, 2025 |title=X |url=https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1916151854368784826 |website=X (Formerly Twitter)}} He said the experience "completely changed the course of my life for the better".{{Cite web |last=Hanania |first=Richard |title=X |url=https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1916147421731848412}}

Don't get me wrong. It should be communicated that he was a troubled teen, but Xitter will not suffice as a source. :) Ty. RationalWikian (talk) 21:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:No, WP:ABOUTSELF applies. I strongly suspect you have been trolling enough using your account and a logged out IP to waste peoples time. Zenomonoz (talk) 12:20, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

::Back in august, a similar account also exclusively editing on Hanania doing the same kind of thing was blocked: Special:Contributions/MonkEBobo08 Zenomonoz (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Answered on their talk. RationalWikian (talk) 16:56, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

::But ok, I did not know about this policy. Normally, Xitter is removed no matter what. It is especially unreliable since Musk bought it. RationalWikian (talk) 17:11, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Ray Hanania is a well-known journalist, writer, and comedy performer, also of Palestinian Christian descent, and also born and raised in the Chicago area (he's 72 now), and a Vietnam War-era USAF veteran. He is a well-known and respected commentator. Are he and Richard related? His views obviously are not those of Richard. Just wondering if they're related- does anyone know? Ray BTW is involved in efforts to bridge the divide between Palestinians (and Arabs in general) and Israelis (and Jews in general); his current wife is Jewish. If anyone know if Ray and Richard are related, I'd appreciate it; thanks in advance. Maccb (talk) 13:02, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:To add this we need RS making the connection. Slatersteven (talk) 13:03, 14 May 2025 (UTC)