Talk:Staten Island Railway/GA1

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| colspan="3" | 1. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|1}}:

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• The prose is daunting, and some paragraphs and sections are quite long. Particularly distracting are the "Organization of the SIRT", "Expansion", and "1940s" sections. But these can be dealt with just by splitting up some paragraphs. Otherwise, fine.
• No plagiarism, as far as I can see.
• Grammatically, some sentences need punctuation improvements. They may also need to be broken up. For example:
• Under "Predecessor" section: {{xt|When his competition had obtained the lease before him there was some discussion about it, and Vanderbilt, apparently through an "agent," James R. Robinson, erected a building to block the competition.}} should probably be split into two sentences.
• Ibid.: {{xt| On February 1, 1860, the first passenger train, an inspection trip for stockholders and officials ran over the line from Vanderbilt's Landing to Eltingville.}} should have a comma after "officials."
• Under "Organization" section: {{xt|Clarence T. Barrett, Henry P. Judah, and Theodore C. Vermilyen were appointed commissioners to appraise the value of the land required by the Staten Island Rapid Transit Company to extend the Staten Island Railroad from Vanderbilt's Landing to Tompkinsville.}} Were these three men commissioners, or were commissioners appointed to them?
• Ibid. {{xt|State laws were not able to grant the right to run a railroad through the property of the United States, and as a result the grounds of the lighthouse department just above Tompkinsville, posed a serious barrier.}} There appears to be a missing comma (after "result") and an extra comma (after "Tompkinsville"). In fact, why not rewrite the sentence? Like this: {{xt|and as a result, construction was hindered by the grounds of the lighthouse department just above Tompkinsville.}}
• Under "Late 20th century": {{xt|On June 15, 1972, 17 year old}} "17-year-old" is hyphenated. Actually, it's spelled out. No matter, I fixed it.
• The article has a few sentences that sound like you're telling a story. It should be amended a little per WP:SUMMARY, i.e. making the whole article into the summary style that the majority of the article appears to be in. For instance:
• Under "1940s": {{xt|The loss of life would have been higher, for only a few minutes before the fire started passengers from a train that arrived from Tottenville had just came and boarded the ferry boat Miss New York.}} should be removed, as it is inconsequential detail.
• Under "Early 20th century": {{xt|By the 1910s, Staten Island was showing its shortcomings in handling B&O freight. Both Arlington and St. George Yards were choked with cars, many awaiting car float transport ...}} should be changed to {{xt|By the 1910s, both Arlington and St. George Yards were at capacity, with cars at both yards awaiting car float transport ...}}
• In "Passenger": {{xt|ADA compliant}} What's ADA? You should spell it out at the first mention. (I know what ADA is. Do other readers know what it is? They may not be railfans or disabled.)

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Lead section: Per the manual of style, you may want to move references out of the lead.

Body:

• Body sections are good.
• Paragraph style is okay, as the only parts of the article that are a list is in the "Industries serviced" section. You probably don't need to convert that into prose, since if you do that, you'll have one-sentence paragraphs.
• Words to watch
• Puffery: no instances found.
• Contentious labels: no instances found, as this is not potentially controversial.
• Unsupported attributions: no instances found, excluding unreferenced statements
• Expressions of doubt: no instances found.
• Editorializing: instances need to be fixed.
• In "Organization", you need to fix this: {{xt|It was then that a clearly desperate Wiman offered to "canonize" George Law by naming the place "St. George." Law, humored by this, granted Wiman yet another option.}} "A clearly desperate" is not neutral.
• In "Predecessors", you need to fix this: {{xt|Garner's tragic death}}. "Tragic" is not neutral.
• Synonyms for said: instances need to be fixed.
• In "Organization", you need to fix this: {{xt|claimed that the Company had become "insolvent in September 1872, to have then surrendered its rights to others, and have failed to exercise those rights."}} Maybe "said" is more neutral"
• Fiction: No instances of fiction, so no problems there.
• Embedded lists: you may want to add some references to the "Stations" section. E.g. about the opening dates.

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| colspan="3" | 2. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|2}}:

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According to WP:MOS, there is a reflist. All references are properly marked up.

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• You may want to use Yadkard to fill out some of the references. REFLINKS doesn't work so well.
• Source 8, [http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?69351 this one], isn't a reliable source per WP:OR. It is just an image. (You can put that as a note if you want. The statement, about how express service is marked on trains, doesn't seem to be that important, anyway. So {{tl|efn}} should work for that purpose.)
• Same thing with sources 121 and 123–131. They are images, and aren't reliable
• Source 18, [https://www.flickr.com/photos/127872292@N06/21766871671/in/dateposted/ this source], is dead. Also, Flickr is not considered reliable, generally, though it's passable in a lower-quality article. As mentioned below, it is just a photo scan of a document.

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Here is a list of statements that need sources:

• In "Late 20th century": {{xt|In 1963, the railroad discontinued its ferry service between Tottenville and Perth Amboy Ferry Slip at Perth Amboy, New Jersey.}}
• In "Freight": {{xt|The North Shore and Travis Branches saw freight service temporarily suspended beginning in 1991. Freight service along the Travis Branch and the westernmost portion of the North Shore Branch was restored by 2007. Along the remainder of the North Shore Branch, tracks and rail overpasses still exist in some places.}}
• In "Rolling stock": {{xt|The New York City Subway's R211 order may have an option to replace the R44s. Until then, the R44s are undergoing another round of SMS to extend their usefulness until at least 2021.}}
• In "Restoration of the North Shore Branch": {{xt|$4 million of federal funding was requested for a detailed feasibility study.}}
• In fares: The MetroCard statement is unsourced, but [http://web.mta.info/nyct/sir/sirfare.htm the MTA's official website] would make a reliable source.
• In the station lists: maybe references for each station listing would be good.
• In "South Beach Branch": {{xt|While the entire right of way has been redeveloped, most of the former right of way is still traceable on maps today. The Verrazano Narrows Bridge toll plaza sits on the former ROW.}}
• Also, {{xt|This 4.1-mile (6.6 km) line left the Main Line at 40°37′08″N 74°04′18″W, south of the Clifton station, and lay to the east of the Main Line.}} But this is quite obvious, so maybe you can move an existing source to support that claim.
• In "Industries serviced": The listings need sources.
• In "Current use: Passenger": {{xt|with even the possibility of through service between Arlington/Port Ivory and Tottenville, which the aforementioned Ballpark wye makes feasible (this did not exist prior to the 1953 discontinuance of passenger service on the North Shore Branch).}} Source?

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| colspan="3" | 3. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|3}}:

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The main aspects of the Staten Island Railway are covered here. I have suggested spliting the "History" section into a new article, but otherwise, there are no major problems.

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As I said, maybe you may want to split the "history" section into another article and then condense the summary to less than 5-10 kilobytes of prose. (This is optional for now, but it may become an issue should it ever go to FAC.) Otherwise, it doesn't go into unnecessary detail in any of the other sections.

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No biases toward any particular groups. You may just need to change some of the narrative-like parts of this article.

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No edit wars, etc. The article seems to have been modified by one main editor over the last couple of months.

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| colspan="3" | 6. {{Wikipedia:Good article criteria/GAC|6}}:

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Except for :File:Staten Island Rapid Transit Police Patch.jpg, all images are freely licensed. File:Staten Island Rapid Transit Police Patch.jpg does not have a rationale for this article, so I removed it.

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All of the captions are suitable for the images.

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