Talk:Whitewashing in film#Yul Brynner

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• [http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324183204578565512330853732 Johnny Depp's White Forefathers] at Wall Street Journal
• [http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20151006-when-white-actors-play-other-races When white actors play other races] at BBC
• [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/30/hollywood-s-anime-whitewashing-epidemic-nat-wolff-to-star-in-death-note.html Hollywood’s Anime Whitewashing Epidemic: Nat Wolff to Star in 'Death Note'] at The Daily Beast
• [http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/whitewashing-hollywood-under-fire Whitewashing? Hollywood under fire] at The Straits Times
• [http://magazine.good.is/articles/scarlett-johansson-ghost-in-the-shell-whitewashing Why Fans Want Scarlett Johansson Removed From this Upcoming Film] at GOOD Magazine
• [http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/10/15/pan-flop-proves-whitewashing-doesnt-boost-box-office/ 'Pan' Flop Proves Whitewashing Doesn't Boost Box Office] at Forbes
• [http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/1130/an-examination-of-native-americans-in-film-and-rise-of-native-filmmakers#header5page1 An Examination of Native Americans in Film and Rise of Native Filmmakers – Whitewashing] in Elon Journal of Undergraduate Research in Communications
• [http://op-talk.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/are-biblical-epics-epically-racist/ Are Biblical Epics Epically Racist?] in The New York Times
• [http://lwlies.com/articles/gods-of-egypt-trailer-hollywood-whitewashing/ Is it time to boycott movies guilty of "whitewashing"?] at Little White Lies
• [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c7a2e028d4c246808f9422f264f6e074/gods-egypt-renews-concern-about-inaccurate-film-casting 'Gods of Egypt' renews concern about inaccurate film casting] at Associated Press
• [https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/01/28/100-times-a-white-actor-played-someone-who-wasnt-white/ 100 times a white actor played someone who wasn’t white] at The Washington Post
• [http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/non-white-roles-for-actors-in-movies-1.3408844 Controversial casting choices of moviemakers] at CBC News
• [http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/02/from-emma-stone-to-yul-brynner-20-times-hollywood-was-guilty-of-white-washing-movies-5654684/ From Emma Stone to Yul Brynner: 20 times Hollywood was guilty of white-washing movies] at Metro
• [https://variety.com/2016/tv/news/john-oliver-hollywood-whitewashing-last-week-tonight-1201711587/ John Oliver Slams Hollywood’s Whitewashing Practices] at Variety
• [http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/10/how-the-west-was-lost/502850/ How Hollywood Whitewashed the Old West] at The Atlantic
• [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/09/the-guardian-view-on-whitewashing-in-the-movies-a-failure-of-imagination The Guardian view on whitewashing in the movies: a failure of imagination] at The Guardian
• [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/aug/29/the-idea-that-its-good-business-is-a-myth-why-hollywood-whitewashing-has-become-toxic ‘The idea that it’s good business is a myth’ – why Hollywood whitewashing has become toxic] at The Guardian
• [https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/09/bias-does-not-come-out-with-the-whitewash.html The Scrutable West: Industry Bias, Whitewashing and the Invisible Asian in Hollywood] at Paste
• [https://www.thedailybeast.com/annihilation-and-hollywoods-erasure-of-asians ‘Annihilation’ and Hollywood’s Erasure of Asians]
• [https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ev3jbk/spielbergs-latinx-west-side-story-is-combating-hollywood-whitewashing Spielberg’s Latinx ‘West Side Story’ Is Fighting Hollywood Whitewashing]

References to use. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

:"References to use"?

:'user :Erik', are you the Wikipedia Thought Police? Do we need you to tell the rest of the community which sources to use on a subject that is inevitably contentious?

:Some might consider sources like 'The Guardian' and 'BBC' to be biased.92.28.16.157 (talk) 19:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

:All sources are biased because there is no such thing as an impartial human 2406:E002:5FF1:C501:244B:C6AE:1A3B:CC42 (talk) 21:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

::Yes. But bias isn’t random. It’s not like by having multiple sources you are going to have a good spread of viewpoints. I see the vast majority of sources are the guardian (very very left leaning) and other centre left outlets 2A00:23C6:4293:F101:F57B:5C5:BD6F:2185 (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

It's funny to see Sir Sean Connery on the list, given the famous memes comparing him to Ayatollah Khomeini. Jews have been hit the hardest — Jewish actors playing characters of other races (or even other Middle Easterners) are recognized as white, while non-Jewish actors playing Jews are already considered whitewashed. The absolute absence of any clear systematics, and as colleagues have pointed out — a purely American view of the subject, where people do not distinguish such radically different concepts as "ethnicity" and "race". Iktsokh (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

:I agree that the list is problematic. My suggestion would be to drastically cut it down, and provide a few paragraphs of prose rather than a list. We should mention significant historical examples and ones that provide some illustration of the concept. We should collect the strongest sources about whitewashing, not about one individual film, and select our examples from those strong sources. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

::Things are especially bad with examples with Middle Eastern characters, given that most European and West Asian populations are de facto of the same race, just different anthropological types within it. For this reason, I've included a small clarifying footnote to make this point. Iktsokh (talk) 19:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

::No. The public should be warned about these films so that they don't financially contribute to a practice they may find abhorrent. The reader can decide for themselves whether this or that film qualifies in their view. 96.57.161.2 (talk) 22:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the list does have a good portion of nonsense, as well as clear cut iconic examples of what is meant; such as the Mickey Rooney/Tiffany role. I agree with above that the prominent, culturally iconic and undeniable examples be given, and cut away the endless chaff.Halbared (talk) 18:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

:I totally agree. Against this background, it is very strange to see the example of Mean Girls, where an actress of Jewish origin plays a Lebanese character. Or with the ethnic Italian Al Pacino who played the Cuban Tony Montana (as if Caucasian Cubans don't exist). Or Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein... It's like people lost the thread of the narrative during editing and strayed from the point. Iktsokh (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

::Where is the best place to start?Halbared (talk) 11:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

:::OK, I'll start the weeding out the nonsense from the good examples.Halbared (talk) 20:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

::::Please follow reliable sources. Don't weed out what you personally think is nonsense. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::This is where it goes into nebulous territory, such as the examples given above. Undeniable examples are the Tiffany one, then you have something like the Marvel characters who get mixed up multiple times in the their original medium and simply changed for he film medium. The two are not analogous.Halbared (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::Focus on the reliable sources that call it whitewashing. We can remove unsourced listings. For sourced listings, the sources should be reviewed for quality. Like Mean Girls having PopSugar as a reference isn't a reliable source. If it can't be improved, it can then be removed. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 02:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::"Nebulous territory" is for the reader to decide for themselves. These instances should be pointed out here if they have elsewhere (reliable sources, of course).

::::::Ironically, the Breakfast at Tiffany's example is not really whitewashing, it's straight-up yellowface, so that one is arguably even more disputable. 96.57.161.2 (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::No, "whitewashing" encompasses both yellowface (and similar masking) and white-instead-of-nonwhite portrayals. The Encyclopedia of Racism in American Film writes, "...Breakfast at Tiffany's also embodies one of Hollywood's most infamous examples of 'yellowface' performance... besides the whitewashing of an Asian character, Mickey Rooney's performance... stereotypes Asian in general and Japanese people in particular." Per the sources, the essence is the same, a white actor instead of a nonwhite one. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

{{od|:::::::}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitewashing_in_film&diff=prev&oldid=1261715159 Here], I removed all the unsourced listings, and the WP:BURDEN is on others to restore it with reliable sourcing. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitewashing_in_film&diff=next&oldid=1261715159 Here], I also removed listings that had sources that were not reliable, like YouTube and blogs and student newspapers. Please feel free to review my removals and challenge any of them. Despite a content dispute about Wuthering Heights, I removed it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitewashing_in_film&diff=1261716890&oldid=1261716439 here] since there is no actual film yet. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Why not also create the article "blackwashing in film"? It's clear that black actors have been cast in many historically white roles (see, for example, Bridgerton); the same is true for live action and TV series (see, for example, The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power,{{efn|Black elves and black Hobbits never existed in J. R. R. Tolkien's masterpiece books.}} Peter Pan & Wendy and many, many others).
Before some extremist user insults me, I just think this article should be created, nothing else. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

:I think you're looking for Color-blind casting. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Muboshgu}} yes. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

::I concur with Muboshgu. There was an AFD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blackwashing in film. There was also a RFD here: {{sectionlink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 29#Blackwashing}}. It is essentially a WP:NEO, with this passage applying, "To support an article about a particular term or concept, we must cite what reliable secondary sources say {{em|about}} the term or concept, not just sources that {{em|use}} the term {{crossref|(see use–mention distinction)}}." In contrast, there is abundant reliable sourcing for whitewashing and for color-blind casting, though I think the latter's article could be improved in prose with a source like [https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/color-blind-casting-76238/ this]. Not to mention that this neologism is limiting to one race, where actors of other races have also been in traditionally white roles. So the casting article works to encapsulate the whole concept. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

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The first is The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle, in which Sam Jaffe plays the role of a friend of the Castles who was a coloured person in real life. The second is Paint Your Wagon, in which the biracial couple from the play doesn't appear at all; the film is a love triangle between Ben Rumson, the Pardner, and Elizabeth.Glammazon2 (talk) 12:30, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

No mention in the lede that "whitewashing", as applied to the entertainment industry in the Western world, is a recent redefinition of an old established expression, meaning to cover up or conceal faults or blemishes. A nod to the earlier sense would be in order. Doug butler (talk) 19:45, 28 March 2025 (UTC)