Template talk:Ship#Proposed template changes

This template easily formats wikilinks to warship articles so as to synchronize Wikipedia's article titling policy with common body-text usage. It cuts the amount of piping to a minimum, inserts italics in the appropriate place, and (arguably) makes deciphering the markup somewhat easier.

To insert a wikilink to warship, insert the below string:

{{Ship|prefix|name|hull number}}

For example, to create {{Ship|HMS|Vanguard|S28}} (which is automatically linked to HMS Vanguard (S28)), insert

{{Ship|HMS|Vanguard|S28}}

Or, to create {{Ship|USS|Nimitz|CVN-68}} (linked to USS Nimitz (CVN-68)), insert

{{Ship|USS|Nimitz|CVN-68}}

The Tom 17:14, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't this template be protected, since it is transcluded onto the main page? A•N•N•Afoxlover hello! 20:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

You may want to use {{tl|USS}} or {{tl|HMS}}. They are a bit shorter to type, and now offer some (optional) flexibilty about what to display.

{{Ship|USS|Enterprise|CVN-65}} would be equal to {{USS|Enterprise|CVN-65|6}}.

It really gets shorter if you want to display the hull number, such as {{HMS|Repulse|1916}} from.

{{HMS|Repulse|1916}}

More reasoning on Template talk:USS. --J Clear 23:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

In the example {{USS|Enterprise|CVN-65|6}}, the final '6' has meaning? If so, what?

Yours utterly baffled.--Toddy1 20:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

:Option 6 looks like a feature used in {{tl|HMS}} and {{tl|USS}}, but not in this template. --Kralizec! (talk) 00:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The question above from {{User|Toddy1}} got me thinking. Could someone with a better understanding of template parser functions add some of the functionality of {{tl|HMS}} and {{tl|USS}} into this template? Specifically I feel the following optional display control parameters would be very useful (note that #6 below works as the default on HMS/USS, while option #6 on HMS/USS works as the default on {{tl|warship}}):

Thoughts? Suggestions? Volunteers? 15px --Kralizec! (talk) 01:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I recently edited the Tribal class destroyer (1936) page to replace many confusing links to vessels with this template, however these were reverted shortly afterward and the editor pointed me toward the :Wikipedia:Transclusion costs and benefits while noting on my talk page that this template is too taxing for server processing. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? I would argue that the benefits of standardizing and simplifying links to articles on vessels, not to mention the kilobytes saved, would trump any minuscule increase in server effort....Thanks! Plasma east 15:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

:If I may make a suggestion ... bring this up at the WP:SHIPS talk page. That ways it will be seen by heaps more eyes! --Kralizec! (talk) 15:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I've asked TomTheHand to modify this template's syntax to include the optional display parameters used in {{tl|HMS}}, {{tl|USS}}, and {{tl|USNS}}. To bring this template in agreement with the others, after the change, the default output will display the prefix, name, and pennant/hull number. (This change of default output will not adversely affect existing articles, as the syntax of preexisting transclusions will be modified to produce the same output as before.) More important, of course, is that you'll be able to control display using parameters that are familiar from our other templates. Maralia (talk) 15:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I posted the following to Maralia's talk, but figured I'd post it here too to get better exposure. Please give feedback! Once we're all satisfied I'll copy it from my user space to here.

I've done a little work on the {{tl|warship}} issue, but I've run into some problems. First, the good news:

:I think this is more intuitive:

::{{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato||2}} produces {{User:TomTheHand/warship|Japanese battleship|Yamato||2}}

:It's less characters than '4=2' or 'disp=2' also. Maralia (talk) 06:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::Oooh... I didn't realize you could do that. Spiffy. Ok, I'll copy the updated template from my user space tonight. TomTheHand (talk) 21:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

{{tlx|editprotected}}

Request that the line

-->]]

be changed to read

-->]]{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMCS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMCS instances}}}}}}

This modification would make no visible change to the template's operation, but helps generate a list of occurrences of {{ship|HMCS}}. Cheers. Haus^Talk 19:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, please use [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship/sandbox&oldid=255269218 this version] of the sandbox template (less the sandbox notice). It incorporates Haus' request plus additional code for tracking the parameters USS, HMS, HMAS, and HMNZS. I have tested the code on the testcases page. This version also eliminates the text that displays on the template page that is now superfluous with the current template documentaion. — Bellhalla (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

::File:Yes check.svg Done. --Kralizec! (talk) 22:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

• [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMAS_instances HMAS]
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMCS_instances HMCS]
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMNZS_instances HMNZS]
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_HMS_instances HMS]
• [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:WP_Ships_USS_instances USS]

— Bellhalla (talk) 23:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

{{tlx|editprotected}}

Please update the template to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship/sandbox&oldid=266556927 this version] in the sandbox (less the sandbox template notice at the top). This eliminates the code snippet:

:{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMCS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMCS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMAS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMAS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMNZS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMNZS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|USS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships USS instances}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{1}}}|HMS|{{voidd|{{WP Ships HMS instances}}}}}}

that was intended to track usage of this template with certain prefixes. Example: when USS is used as a prefix, the redlinked template {{tlx|WP Ships USS instances}} is transcluded, which, in theory, allows one to determine usage (by looking at "What links here" for use {{tlx|WP Ships USS instances}}). Then the specific {{tlx|USS}} could be used instead of this, the more generic template. However, since {{tlx|USS}} and others of the same functionality already themselves call {{tlx|Ship}}, the redlinked template is called for all uses of the prefix whether through {{tlx|Ship}} or {{tlx|USS}} making it impossible to determine which template was invoked, and making this bit of code unnecessary and needlessly complicating many pages. — Bellhalla (talk) 17:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:Done, though if you look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship&action=edit the source code], does the sandbox notice need to be removed as well? Thanks, Woody (talk) 17:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

::Yes, it should. :) — Bellhalla (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Done, regards, Woody (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

{{tlx|editprotected}}

Please replace this second line of the template code:

• -->[[{{{1}}} {{#if:{{{up|}}}|{{{1}}} }}[[{{{1}}} --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 13:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  :This template must always be substed when used in section headings because links from watchlists and article histories to section headings that contain templates do not work.

  :—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  ::OK. {{para|wl|no}} can also be used in inline, when a ship's name is repeatedly used. - DePiep (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  :::{{U|Ahecht}} Is safesubst working correct now? I have added some code (in the sandbox), {{Yesno|...}} (twice). If I understand #safesubst: well, these {{tlf|yesno}} additions need some #safesubst code too. I refer to your edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ship/sandbox&diff=837921636&oldid=834073136&diffmode=source]. - DePiep (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  ::::{{ping|DePiep}} {{tl|Square bracket open}}, {{tl|Square bracket close}}, and {{tl|main other}} aren't substable, so I didn't bother fixing it. One of the dependent templates isn't substable. I will work on it a bit and see if I can figure it out. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 14:18, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  ::::{{ping|DePiep}} I got it mostly working, but {{tl|main other}} will still show up when substed. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 14:22, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  ::::{{ping|DePiep}} I did one final update, and it should subst cleanly now. Let me know if you see any other issues. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 15:47, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  :::::Thanks for cleaning this up. - DePiep (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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