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:I have gone through some policies. Understood how to find good sources, news articles must be accepted only when it shows facts instead of opinions by its author.

:Actually, I have recently explored different kinds of templates and added images to required pages.

:Can you suggest me some more important tips, that should I follow to make good edits. $govindsinghbabhan$ (talk) 20:39, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

::Good job indeed; keep it up. I believe you have already gone through WP:OR, WP:SYN, WP:NPOV, WP:HISTRS! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

yo dude,am just wondering,if u wanna create an article on list of bhumihars.I could have created one too but the reason I need you help is to prove the caste of Lotta people,people with the title rai from ghazipur,many tyagi bhumihars,I just never succeed in proving to wiki that they are bhumihars even though it's quite obvious in most cases.They don't even accept the fact that surajbhan singh is a bhumihar,it will take quite some time but we can create a list as large is list of yadavas or list of rajputs Thatonewikipediadude (talk) 17:16, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:So what do you need from me. $govindsinghbabhan$ (talk) 08:32, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

::He is saying if u wanna create an article on list of Bhumihars, He Also help and Contribute you together further wikipedia list Creation with Notables with Rai's title from Gazipur and East up and tyagi Bhumihar & proving them that they Belongs to Bhumihar community With Reliable Sources, i.e further contribute together. (Create an article together)🙏 106.219.162.245 (talk) 16:28, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::exactly Thatonewikipediadude (talk) 08:43, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

::::@Thatonewikipediadude

::::Please create the page and give your Instagram id for further discussion on sources.👍 $govindsinghbabhan$ (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hete is a list topics in the list if bhumihars page-

:::::Military

:::::Politics

:::::Criminals

:::::Sports

:::::Authors

:::::Journalists

:::::National and internation award winners

:::::Holders of high constitutional offices(governor,cm,chief justice)

:::::Civil servants and beauraucrats

:::::freedom fighters

:::::Rulers and zamindars

:::::Businessmen

:::::Arts(actor,singer)

:::::I have selected these topics as I have found that I can give you 4+ names in each topic.i will soon send you the names.But you need to help me prove that they are tyagi bhumihars or normal bhumihar.also you can recommend more topics.Will send all the names soon.Can continue here only due to not using insta due to academic reasons.Pls reply as soon as possible. Thatonewikipediadude (talk) 14:57, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

(Corrupted transliteration bhuinhar) is mentioning form for Bhumihar Title., Further.....Not in Use Neither under Records of Government of India or Judicial Records.

So Why you Want to Remove Bhuinhar Title?

Title (First Corrupted transliteration) for (Actual Term Along with Brahmana) is secured under (madarpur account.

(HINDI: (Bhuinhar Title from Madarpur Account) ka hi (Actual Term Bhumihar Along with Brahmana term is adopted in context to pursuing better relation with Kanyakubjas Along with other sub castes and Divisions within brahman caste By (Babhan caste from Bihar And Benaras.) In Actual Context Babhans from Bihar and Benaras is not same and Related to this Rulers Having this Title At the Period (Transliteration Bhuinhar) (Term Bhumihar) mentioned under Account from Kanyakubjas Land. 106.219.162.245 (talk) 16:55, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:@Bpandey89 |govind| (talk) 10:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

{{Help me-helped}}

I want to add 'Madarpur Battle', to Bhumihar page.

Source;

1 Book. https://books.google.com/books?id=zVmaEAAAQBAJ&dq=Battle+of+Madarpur&pg=PT46

2 News. https://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/azamgarh-8981760.html?fbclid=PAY2xjawJ3ectleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABp9LzMVFCwSOt4ORMoHArj4s68ELO1ed09VH6Gxe_EjtrzzYrwq1j-OT2tUqG_aem_10IvJzAzX4198UQf3QFrqQ

3 Kanyakubj Vanshawali. https://archive.org/details/rDlx_kanya-kubja-vanshavali-devanagari-by-sri-pt.-lalmani-dharma-shastri-ji-shri-janta-book-stall-ka

:Please go to WP:ERW and make your edit request with the help of the wizard there (select the bottom option 'the page is protected'). --DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:@DoubleGrazing will you make the edit. $govindsinghbabhan$ (talk) 13:40, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

::No, I've no knowledge of, or interest in, this subject, and don't wish to get involved.

::Make the edit request like I suggested. There are many editors who are experienced at handling such requests. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:17, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello $govindsinghbabhan$, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of :Kone Prosa Srey, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. You may wish to review the WP:CSD{{!}}Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 20:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

In this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Central_Institution_for_Meteorology_and_Geodynamics&diff=1287709593&oldid=1287693969 here], I reverted some information that appears to be a violation of our copyright policy.

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Hi $govindsinghbabhan$, in a few of your recent edit summaries (here, here) you mentioned citations needing a URL so that they can be verified. Just letting you know that sources only available in print are acceptable on Wikipedia – see Wikipedia:Offline sources:

{{tqb|Even though Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, there is no distinction between using online versus offline sources. While many editors use online sources, such as websites and online journals, many great sources are only available offline in printed books and paper journals. [...] Do not remove cited material merely because it is from an offline source.}} Iiii I I I (talk) 06:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

:I will remember. $govindsinghbabhan$ (talk) 08:23, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello $govindsinghbabhan$,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Jijhautiya clan in bhumihars for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title={{urlencode:Talk:Jijhautiya clan in bhumihars}}&action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion], but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 07:26, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

Govind, can you please explain your creation of the alternate account User:Drontikar and especially its use at Narayan dynasty and Talk:Bhumihar, which you have also edited with your main account? And do you have any other accounts? Abecedare (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Abecedare I have made alternate account for experiencing; how I appear to others? and my edits are actually visible? When I got to know about this policiy and how it diturbes Wikipedia, I have disclosed my alternate account. And as I think, I have not commented on the same topic with both accounts. I agree, I have used it in Narayan Dynasty, but now I am aware of it. Currently I am working with my main account. Do you have any suggestion? |govind| (talk) 14:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::I would suggest that you stop using that account. And please answer whether you have any other account. Abecedare (talk) 14:44, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Abecedare No, I don't have. I have already abandoned Drontikar. Likewise I'll continue to use only this account only.

:::I will log out on drontikar. You can guide me further. Thanks |govind| (talk) 15:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Abecedare Logged out 👍 |govind| (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello $govindsinghbabhan$, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of :North East Island National Park, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. You may wish to review the WP:CSD{{!}}Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

It seems likely from the "babhan" in your username that you have an affiliation to the Bhumihars. That's OK but editing articles about them can cause a conflict of interest, and this is becoming apparent by your insistence in calling that community Brahmins even though the longstanding consensus on Wikipedia is that Bhumihar Brahmin is neither their common name nor factually accurate (because it is a designation not accepted by other caste groups, as per sources). Please will you stop doing this. - Sitush (talk) 09:07, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Sitush Yes that's designation, not common name. And according to these sources, they are not accepted as brahmins by others.
By the way it's not new to affix brahmin to their name, I have read "An Account of the Districts of Bihar and Patna 1811-1812"Vol-II, by Francis Buchanan, he refered the community as "Military Brahmin".

:Don't misunderstand. I am not supporting their brahmin claim by this.

:I was just using brahmin word which is mentioned in the source.
But as you said, I should stop this. |govind| (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Sitush How you guys verify that it's factually correct or not. Because their isn't any existing fact related to Aswini Kumar's book. And the whole article is solely based on his perceptions, like some of the early census, without mentioning which census, it's needed (at least date), because it's in chronological order, that this year they were considered this, next this census they were considered this, from this census they are using brahmin word. As of my understanding, date is necessary in chronological order.

:Do not worry! I am not going to touch it, I am just consulting with you.

:Fun fact (there isn't any such census which classify this community under shudra, so his work can never be used for fact checking).
Again Don't worry I am not going to touch it. |govind| (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::Exact dates do not necessarily matter. If a reliable source doesn't see the need for them then that's OK for us. Similarly, what is said in a census isn't the sole criteria for, well, anything except perhaps numeric data, and even that is questionable.

::As I said earlier, there is a longstanding consensus about the naming. It will be found at Talk:Bhumihar and nothing has changed in the sources or on the ground which might indicate a change. Quite a few Bhumihar folk have ended up being blocked or topic banned during their attempts to argue against this (I'm fairly sure that some were sock- and meat-puppets).

::Consensus isn't a vote but is instead based on policy-compliant arguments. Alas, if my memory is correct, you are making pretty similar arguments to previous accounts and that is concerning for several reasons. You are of course free to call yourself a Bhumihar Brahmin or indeed anything else you might choose ... but on Wikipedia the community is know as Bhumihar.

::I won't be debating this any longer here. I have wasted far too much time explaining it to Bhumihar contributors in the past and it is in large part available for you to read at the main article page. It is a prime example of why conflicts of interest lead to poor articles. - Sitush (talk) 14:08, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Sitush It's fine, don't include brahmin word. I am not arguing for it.

:::But my question is-

:::Do you make sure that given information can be fact checked. I have also argued in article's talk page, there isn't any real census that categorised the community as shudra. Or you guys don't consider that anything must be factual.

:::The question is folk stories, I don't believe in newly formed stories, like those of parashuram origin or even anything that is manipulated by authors to present their believes.

:::If you consider authors who are close to government are unreliable. Then some authors who manipulate things according to them must be considered unreliable. There isn't any existing legend in society about their origin. But, if an author tries to form new legends (which is contradicting the definition of Legend), is showing his opinions rather than facts. |govind| (talk) 16:11, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Academics of good standing who have expertise in the relevant subject matter are de facto reliable. It doesn't matter what a census says or doesn't say unless such a person comments on it - a census is a primary source and we as editors are deemed not to possess the expertise to assess primary sources. - Sitush (talk) 16:25, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Please read WP:SCHOLARSHIP Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:20, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Govind, I have reverted, tweaked, and commented upon some of your recent edits to the Bhumihar article and IMO they show a consistent pattern of POV pushing. See my recent article edits, edit-summaries and talkpage comments for details, but in short:

1. You added [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bhumihar&diff=prev&oldid=1289651979 a hat note] to the article that made a claim in wiki-voice directly contradicted by the article body and a [https://books.google.com/books?id=rkjqDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA242 scholarly] source it cited
2. You [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bhumihar&diff=prev&oldid=1289712971 replaced] a high quality source with a lower quality one
3. You added a poorly sourced, undue, and synthesized [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bhumihar&diff=prev&oldid=1289938163 claim] (as I spelled out [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bhumihar&diff=prev&oldid=1289977713 here]) despite prior opposition to the edit on the talkpage.
4. You have argued tendentiously for your proposed change not only in that discussion but also at your and other user's talk pages

And this followed your previous POV edits with respect to Bhumihars, for example at V. S. Naipaul; and, use of sock account including at Talk: Bhumihar etc. This is very disruptive and needs to stop (as you have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:$govindsinghbabhan$&diff=prev&oldid=1289875803 previously acknowledged]), or I will be asking for you to be topic banned from this area. Abecedare (talk) 02:38, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Abecedare First of all. Why I can't argue? If you guys can argue on with your point of view pushing like, the exaggeration neurosurgeon and climate change. If you can't see, sorry you are biased! V.S. Naipaul, that was not my edit. I have not used other account to support my statements from 1st account. Replaced source, you sorted it. Thanks. Hatnote, readers shouldn't be made aware that it is a separate caste, "they should not start believing, bhuiya is another name for this community". You can't manipulate things. People should be made aware.

:Based on your point, when someone goes to others talk page, it's considered as POV pushing, then, what are you guys doing here? Asking genuinely. Please don't give such examples.

:My point: exaggerated examples like neurosurgeon and climate change must be considered POV pushing. Thank you |govind| (talk) 02:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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You have been sanctioned because of persistent tendentious editing. See the summary of problems by Abecedare above, and also your arguments at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bhumihar&oldid=1290040254#Experienced_editors,_please_preview_my_edit. this talkpage section] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sitush&oldid=1290040734#Gayawal_brahmin this]. I'm afraid I find your response to Abecedare above to be of low quality ("Based on your point, when someone goes to others talk page, it's considered as POV pushing, then, what are you guys doing here?", "exaggerated examples like neurosurgeon and climate change must be considered POV pushing").

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator as authorised by the community's decision at Wikipedia:General sanctions/South Asian social groups, and the procedure described by the general sanctions guidelines. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions for that topic. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction at the administrators' noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 15:12, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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:@Bishonen You have showed your bias nature and nothing more. Have a nice day! |govind| (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)