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:Thank you so much for letting me know. Sorry for bothering you. I've commented on your talk page for more details. Thanks.--みしまるもも (talk) 01:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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:File:Nuvola apps important.svg Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, you may be blocked from editing. WP:NOTFORUM and your post [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yasuke&diff=prev&oldid=1239257361 here] about your personal activities is entirely irrelevant and some of your statements are skirting dangerously close to WP:NATIONALIST. Brocade River Poems 07:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Please don't use article talk page to talk about your personal favorite activities or expressing your personal experience. I am seriously considering removing this {{diff|Talk:Yasuke|diff=prev|oldid=1239257361|4=message of yours}} on talk:Yasuke which is a violation of WP:NOTFORUM. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 07:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, long time no see! Hope you're having a good day. I'm here to ask about the Yukio Mishima article, you've said last month you planned upon an English version for the 三島事件 which you've brought up to GA quality on Japanese Wikipedia, and I wish to know whether or not you still desire to do so? If so, I'll do my very best to help you out with said venture. Zinderboff(talk) 04:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Zinderboff. Thank you very much. I am currently translating the "三島事件" on my PC notebook, translating the "1967" part of the section "The JSDF and Mishima," which summarizes the events that occurred in the four years leading up to the incident.

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:I am thinking of making the English version shorter than the Japanese version, up to the section "The JSDF and Mishima," so I think I will have the whole article draft ready by early October.

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:I have copied the translation up to the point where I have completed it (up to "After the incident") to the sandbox. (User:みしまるもも/sandbox) There are probably quite a few sentences that are difficult to understand in English, so please check them. At the end of the sentence for the three defendants, the judge quoted words from 王陽明 Wang Yangming's "伝習録," and I had a hard time translating that part. I need to check the literature that Japanese translation of the original meaning of Wang Yangming's words, otherwise the English translation is still a little unclear. みしまるもも (talk) 06:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

::Hi! Sorry for not doing too much work on the draft yet. I'm currently a little bit busy, but will help all the way when I get time soon! Zinderboff(talk) 16:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:::Hi. Thank you for your kindness. Of course, it's perfectly fine for you to check it when you have time. It's OK. I'm also translating the next draft little by little, so it will take quite a while before I can paste all the drafts into the sandbox. みしまるもも (talk) 00:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|みしまるもも}}, regarding the same article and {{u|CyberIdris}}'s contributions, please use WP:ANI instead of WP:AIV for such detailed reports that may require discussion. Thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi {{u|みしまるもも}}, is "we will ask you to block us" in Special:Diff/1256046480 the result of a machine translation or AI? On Wikipedia, being blocked is something undesirable; being blocked means losing the technical ability to edit pages. Only administrators can block users from editing pages. This is why "we will ask you to block us" makes no sense: The other user can't block you from editing, and it isn't something you'd want to happen if it was possible. Also, you seem to refer to yourself in plural ("us"), which sounds as if multiple people use your account. Hence I wonder which machine or misunderstanding has created this strange statement. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

:Ah, sorry. I guess I posted the machine translation without really checking it. Thanks for letting me know. みしまるもも (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

::No problem! Thanks for the clarification. If I understand correctly, your English is good enough for editing and discussing Wikipedia, and you use translation only because it is more convenient for you to write in Japanese and the translator might find words that you didn't know yet. That's perfectly fine. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your kind words. English is still difficult for me because it is a completely different language from Japanese. みしまるもも (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi みしまるもも, hope all's well! I have asked others whether or not your report was correctly filed. I just wanted to say you can add the fact that they've been warned against edit-warring and editing while logged out. They've deleted the first message and explicatly denied editing logged out. Zinderboff(talk) 01:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

:Hi みしまるもも! Just wanted you to know that the investigation has been moved to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CyberIdris. Cheers! Zinderboff(talk) 02:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

::I've also been told that in case you want to file future sock reports, use the form in the box on WP:SPI in the future. Zinderboff(talk) 02:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

:::Your kindness is greatly appreciated. Thank you. みしまるもも (talk) 02:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at the Administrator's Noticeboard Incidents which involves you. The discussion may be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#みしまるもも_personal_attacks_and_threats here]. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Information icon4.svg There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. CyberIdris (talk) 18:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi {{u|みしまるもも}}, if I see one single further personal attack at Talk:Yukio Mishima from you, I'll place an indefinite block. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:No matter how many times I explained that Mishima did not advocate "direct rule by the Emperor," CyberIdris was not convinced, so I simply told him to participate with a minimum level of knowledge, rather than relying on information from a site that does not provide any specifics. I am not personally attacking CyberIdris.

:On the contrary, I think it is unfair that you have not done anything about the fact that CyberIdris has labeled me as a "nationalist" in various places and personally attacked me by saying that I am trying to conceal information. Why? みしまるもも (talk) 23:34, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

::Hello! I hope it's ok to comment quickly, since we've both worked on the same article recently. I can see that you both feel strongly about your positions, which is commendable. You both felt passionately that you were correct (I'm not experienced enough to comment on that) but it meant that you were sharper with each other than you perhaps should have been?

::You've both been blocked from a single article for a few days because of this, which is enough time to cool down and regain focus, as well as working on other articles perhaps. There's a good principle, called dropping the stick, that I'm sure you've come across. Please take it to heart so we can work together again in future! Blue-Sonnet (talk) 23:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:::Dear Blue-Sonnet. Thank you very much for your kind words and your message, Blue-Sonnet. I am very grateful for your editing. As you say, I may have been a little too absorbed in my edits. I put preparing meals for my family and shopping on the back burner, so I should be grateful to the administrator for giving me time off.

:::Blue-Sonnet, you are from the UK. I have traveled to the US (California and New York), but I have never been to the UK, but it seems to me that there are some similarities between the UK and Japan. There was also Miura Anjin. I feel like my heart has been loosened a little by Blue-Sonnet's advice. Thank you very much. I look forward to your continued support. みしまるもも (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

::::I'm so happy to hear you're feeling happier now! I could tell you were upset & wanted to try to reach out, even if it didn't work.

::::I would dearly love to visit Japan one day, as you've said we do have a lot of similarities in our cultures! Both have roots in politeness & respect for others, as well as remembering our history with plenty of historical sites and monuments.

::::I've been to Florida in the 1990's but I haven't been abroad since, I'm saving up for either Italy or Japan, both countries have such a rich historical heritage!

::::Please do take some time off for yourself - the internet is a difficult place, so I think everyone should have a break from it every so often ❤️ Blue-Sonnet (talk) 01:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello みしまるもも, hope all is well! Sorry for not contacting sooner. I see progress on the Mishima Incident have been wonderful! I do wonder though, with the current length of your work, are you perhaps thinking of splitting it into smaller articles? Zinderboff (talk) 10:11, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, Zinderboff, Thank you. The original Japanese article is a long article as well, so I have no intention of shortening it at the moment. Is it too long for the English article? The origin of the name Tatenokai is also included in the English "Tatenokai" article, so perhaps it is possible to shorten that part, but for the most part it contains essential information about the Mishima Incident. Regarding the section "Works based on or inspired by the Mishima incident" can be omitted if they are not particularly necessary for the English translation article. This article as a whole is still incomplete even in draft form, and there are still parts that I would like to review by checking English biographies again, so it will probably take a few more months. Sorry for having to late finalize a draft. みしまるもも (talk) 01:00, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

::Hi みしまるもも! Unfortunately, the current length of the English article is definitely too much. On English Wiki the article length rule is shown in WP:SIZERULE. Which shows an article, at the absolute max, should be around 15,000 words. The draft however is currently around 36,000 words long!
As you mention, most information on the article is essential to understanding the event, so which is why I was asking if you're wondering whether to split the article up, so all the essential information is kept whilst keeping the length reasonable (For example "Prelude to the Mishima Incident" or "Reactions to the Mishima Incident".)
Of course, there is absolutely no hurry, take as long as you need! And thank you so much for researching and writing so much information about this! When you think the draft is ready for direct publication, others in WP:COPYEDITORS can help out to perfect the article for language and grammar! Zinderboff (talk) 08:15, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

:::There is no need to split now of course. Complete the draft whenever you feel like it has all the essential information, then me and, if you accept their help, others, can help you polish up/split up the work! They can work on a separate copy on your completed version, so you can determine if their changes are good or not. Zinderboff (talk) 08:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you Zinderboff for letting me know all about it. In the Japanese articles, there are no such strict rules, so I was never told that the article on the "三島事件" was too long. The article on "三島由紀夫" is much longer than the "三島事件", and once there was a proposal to separate the list of works, etc., and I agreed with that proposal, but there was opposition from someone else (the reason being that separating the list of works in the article on "松本清張" (Seichō Matsumoto) had caused inconvenience), so "三島由紀夫" is still too long! (笑). After that, the person who opposed it, stopped being active, and since I was previously in favor of separating it, another person who had helped me with the Mishima works articles advised me that I should propose to separation, and it might pass, but at that time I also thought that the person who opposed it in the example of Seichō Matsumoto's article was right, so I didn't make any particular proposal to separate it, and no one else has done so either.

::::In this way, in the Japanese articles, separating is optional according to the circumstances of each article, and the separating is not determined by the number of words, so I didn't notice the detailed rules in the English articles. Thank you so much for letting me know.

::::I think it would be easier to understand if the article was not separated into parts, so I would like to be adjusting, while thinking of what can be omitted as much as possible. For example, the episode where Yasunari Kawabata saw Mishima's ghost, or the fact that Ken Takakura was trying to make a movie about the Mishima incident, may not be of particular interest to people other than Japanese people, so I would like to review those parts as well. みしまるもも (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2025 (UTC)