User talk:Converse1991#top

Hi, thank you for your contributions. I saw your edits on this page, Winter Spring Summer or Fall, for which I want to bring your attention to some wikipedia policies:

• WP:FILMPLOT: The plot summary is an overview of the main events, so avoid scene-by-scene breakdowns, and keep it between 400 and 700 words. Events do not have to be written in the order in which they appear on screen. If necessary, reorder the events to improve understanding of the plot. Every important event in a film should be outlined without censoring details considered to be spoilers.

:* As per this, you tried introducing Talking Heads and "Burning Down the House", but broke the connection of how Remi got inspired with this band or song; this was an actual idea of Barnes.

:* Similarly, you also missed the point that Remi actually also suggested him to join a music group, which Barnes did later. The film is in four segments, and each segment is named after a season rather than any event.

:* Discussing every character is not necessary, only stick to the main character without breaking the connections.

:* From "the two make plans to stay together for the summer" to "ultimately breaking up", were they really together, or did they just broke their plans? What is the timeline?

:* "they both admit" and "they both admit", isn't this also a repetition?

• MOS:DATESNO: Do not use ordinals (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.).

:* In this case, how does this sound like? "On July 4th,... they went out to celebrate the 4th of July." Or, "On a day in summer,... they went out to celebrate ---"?

• MOS:APOSTROPHE: Use straight apostrophes ('), not curly apostrophes (’).
• WP:IPHUMAN?

:* Just a concern, are you the same user here Special:Diff/1290652405? If so, please always be logged in while editing. If not, then you may ignore this point.

For your notice, I have undid your edit. Awaiting your response, maybe we can reach a consensus somewhere. Thank you! M. Billoo 21:02, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Converse1991. Is that you who has been editing the plot of Winter Spring Summer or Fall#Plot since yesterday? If so, please login as said above, do not edit without it. Discuss first what you think needs to be edited. Also, please see Wikipedia:List of English contractions. Thank you! M. Billoo 20:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi! Few things to mention:

• After they reach station, and ask farewell and part ways, yes Barnes do attemp asking Remi for a date, but she does not listen or even acknowledge it. I don't think mentioning this part is necessary, because he keeps repeating his sentence and she remains unable to understand a word he says.
• So, Barnes again asks for date at the hospital, which she declines. This can be summarized.
• Not socialized other than her parents part is mentioned many times in the film, if not directly:
• The very first scene where P.J. 'introduces' her to to Barnes;
• She wants to become lawyer 'like her parents' are (but in a different field);
• At the train, where she is listening to a podcast and feels uncomfortable after Barnes tries talking too much, so she 'puts her airpods back';
• When of course she rejects the date, she states only one reason "not 'such person in her life' (i.e. 'partner') at the moment";
• When she feels uncomfortable with her 'date' Lucas in the car;
• When she was 'sitting alone' at the prom until she sees Barnes again and opens up to dance (she asks him why he didn't come back soon to which Barnes reminds her she was the one to decline the date, she herself re-thinks that was not the right thing to do);
• When she hesitates before reaching to the sushi bar, and says that 'her father' would kill if Barnes does anything wrong to her;
• Hesitates to start the 'relationship' in order to continue studies (until she gets more comfortable with him, and smoke and kiss and live in);
• Starts friendship with his neighbor and high school fellow P.J. as well, whom she had 'known barely' except that he "sells weed";
• Briefly 'changes her mind' to plan a gap year with Barnes, and attempts 'rivalry with her parents' who still care about her;
• Breaks up with Barnes in order to continue her true dream and of course in respect of her parents;
• Recalls Barnes at the Harward, saying that her parents liked him as her partner and wanted her to reconnect;
• Tries reconnecting with him, stating he was the only person she had hung out for months and then a sudden gap affected her.

And so on... M. Billoo 10:15, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:Understood. However saying “having not yet socialized other than with her parents” adds subtext that's not directly stated in that moment of the story, which makes it more suitable for character analysis than a plot summary. Since a Wikipedia plot summary is meant to describe what happens, not necessarily analyze why, it’s clearer and cleaner to state that Remi declines the date because she doesn’t want that kind of person in her life at the moment. While the socialization issue may be a running theme and her character trait, it isn’t explicitly mentioned in the scene where she turns Barnes down, so including it imposes interpretation over narration and implies it’s one of the reasons Remi says to Barnes, when it’s not. Ultimately, trimming that detail preserves neutrality and avoids editorializing or stretching the scene beyond what is shown or said at that specific time. Converse1991 (talk) 17:47, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi there. Assuming WP:GOODFAITH, I still have some disagreements. You see again, scene-by-scene information (screenplay details) and prolonged sentences are not necessary. We can summarize them in better form.

• Opening scene, I assume, needs to be trimmed out as it has nothing to do with the actual plot. And as per your above concern, this too can be merged into character details.
• Like for example, see Jungle Cruise (film)#Cast and characters, how each character is defined. We can define the characters here too.
• MOS:FILMCAST: Since an earlier time, there has been a long cast list put up here on the page with an ambigous arrangement. We need to arrange it properly. See [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-reviews/winter-spring-summer-or-fall-review-jenna-ortega-percy-hynes-white-1235917220] (copied from Tribeca Festival's website), only 6 people seem to be as billed cast, out of which only 2 are lead cast as shown in the poster. While others may be in the supporting roles. Further, what do the opening credits or end credits say?
• "If roles are described outside of the plot summary, keep such descriptions concise."
• "For uncredited roles, a citation should be provided in accordance with Wikipedia's verifiability policy."
• The date part in winter still seems repetitive. Can be trimmed out.
• How about rewording, "On Instagram, she sees Barnes is also in Boston, so she texts him."
• "Later, the band also encourages Barnes to express his true feelings for her, and serenades Remi outside her dorm, making Barnes realize his mistake in turning her down."

I don't know why but these ideas keep coming up. Maybe due to the word count range we have, and making it an easy read. Hope for your feedback, thank you! M. Billoo 19:00, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:I believe my edit of the opening line effectively distinguishes two separate moments; Barnes first passively seeing Remi across the street, and then seeing her again later at the train station. Combining these into one sentence with “having seen her earlier…” conflates the encounters and makes the sequence less clear, while also implying that the film opens at the train station rather than earlier on P.J.’s roof. While it’s important to avoid excessive detail or screenplay-like phrasing, brief context such as the Google Fellowship interview or Barnes smoking with P.J. provides just enough information to orient the reader and clarify character motivations without having to write detailed character breakdowns in the cast list. This is not a beat by beat recap but a chronological summary that gives necessary context about the characters, and the contrast between initial sighting and later meeting helps set the stage.

:Also, while you may feel that mentioning Barnes asking Remi out on a date is repetitive, it’s important to remember that a plot summary’s purpose is to describe the key events as they happen. The fact remains that Barnes asks Remi on a date when they reach their stop, and this action directly leads to her rejection at the hospital. Omitting the request can cause confusion to some readers, so including the date request is necessary for an accurate and coherent summary. Converse1991 (talk) 01:01, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

::So maybe, can we omit the cyclist and hospital part? Just simplify as "Barnes asks her out for a date, which she gently declines stating...... [her reasons]" This all does not seem to be WP:SPOILER so I assume it does not affect the plot. M. Billoo 02:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I think what you're trying to say is that since this moment isn’t a major spoiler, so it doesn’t need to be described in such detail, but WP:SPOILER simply means we can include any plot-relevant detail without needing to use spoiler warnings. Also, just to clarify, I didn’t mean the cyclist and hospital details aren’t important, I was emphasizing the sequence; Barnes asks her out before the accident, and she gives her answer at the hospital. It's important that the summary reflects the actual sequence of events; Barnes asks her at the train station, she’s struck by a cyclist, and she declines at the hospital. Your proposal of "When they reach their stop, Barnes asks her out for a date, which she gently declines" compresses this into a single beat and unintentionally implies the rejection happens immediately after the ask, which isn’t accurate. The current version keeps the phrasing clear and chronological without over explaining, and avoids the confusion of when and where these moments take place. Converse1991 (talk) 03:39, 16 June 2025 (UTC)