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RJFJR (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Julian, it seems that you've been on a crusade against citations to arXiv. While it's helpful to clarify the reliability of sources, it's not helpful to mass-delete information. For example, you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Addition&diff=419023956&oldid=418846553 removed] a citation in the Addition article, when the citation merely needed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Addition&diff=419069731&oldid=419026880 improvement].

In the future, please try harder to look for alternate publishers to which the citation can be pointed. If you don't find one, please consider applying the {{tl|rs}} template rather than removing the citation entirely; this provides more information for future editors. Thanks, Melchoir (talk) 04:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

:Thank you for that - you will see that I have in fact done what you suggested on a number of occasions, when the arxiv article itself has been published or by looking it up in Zentralblatt. In most cases when I have not been able to do that I have simply moved the references to a "Futher reading" section. I quite agree that it is not helpful to "mass-delete information" and I haven't done that. Julian Birdbath (talk) 05:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Verification "policy requires that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged be attributed to a reliable, published source in the form of an inline citation, and that the source directly support the material in question."

Unfortunately that appears not the be the case in practice. I have discovered that it is possible for an editor to repeatedly insert assertions supported only by his own unpublished research; to commission his friends to insert it for him; edit war to keep it in; threaten anyone who questions him with personal attacks and false accusations -- and nothing happens. Julian Birdbath (talk) 15:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

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