User talk:Kikila mai Tawhiti

Happy editing! Peaceray (talk) 23:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Please put new talk page sections at the bottom of the page with a descriptive heading so editors can find them. Additions to the top of talk pages frequently don't get seen because that's not where new posts are supposed to go. Skyerise (talk) 13:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

:Sweet as, thanks for the guidance. Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 21:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you look at what a Génocidaires is? While McClung may be associated with promoting legislation that deeply affected Indigenous peoples in Canada she most definitely wasn't a Rwandan and she died 40 years prior to the Rwandan genocides. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 20:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:That's a narrow definition. Otherwise it's someone who participates in genocide. Nellie fits that description in pretty specific ways.

:Are you trolling me? You seem to leave comments on all of my posts asking wikipedia to reflect. HEre's a resource friend: https://www.thc.texas.gov/public/upload/preserve/museums/files/White_Supremacy_Culture.pdf

:Let me know if you'd like more resources, or if you would like to e-chat on your path. Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 19:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

::I looked at your source and it does not contain "genocidaire", "Nellie McClung", or "McClung" so it's mot a usable reference for that term to be used with here. You may feel that that word fits but without a reliable source it is original research. See Wikipedia:No original research.

::As to trolling I don't think you understand the meaning. I left two comments on one talk page and one here concering two articles that are on my watchlist. I see that you have made comments and edits on other pages, none of which I responded too. However, if you really believe I'm trolling then feel free to open a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey there, I notice when looking at your edits that you often add information to an article with no source. If you have a piece of information you’d like to add to an article, please find a reliable source to cite to your addition. Thanks! Zanahary (talk) 16:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

:Hey there, I just reverted your unsourced edits to the Great Awakening articles. If you want to change the semantic content of an article, your change must reflect sources, either those that are already cited or new ones. Zanahary (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

::Keep the white supremacist/classist erasure going Zach! Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 22:56, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

:::I don't know who you think I am (Zach? If that's an anglicization of my Malagasy username, it's very ironic), but accusing editors of "white supremacist/classist erasure" for maintaining the need for citations on Wikipedia is not gonna fly. Don't do that. And cite your work. Zanahary (talk) 02:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

::::https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/characteristics.html

::::You don't have to be white to support white supremacy. And seeing all of the eurocentric stuff that gets (re)produced here without citations is pretty offensive, though none of that gets corrected/called out. Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 21:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:::::@Kikila mai Tawhiti, please do not bring up my race again. Zanahary (talk) 22:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

::::::For sure, and apologies to have offended you, especially around using an improper name for you Zanahary. That's an oversight on my part and was not fair to you. Your race was not brought up by me. Let's be clear here. Accusing someone of supporting white supremacy culture is not about race. Please see Ta-nehisi Coates Between the World and Me, Red Skin, White Masks by Glen Coulthard, and How the Irish Became White by Ignatief. Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 18:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

:::::You should tag anything unsupported by citations, no matter what. Uncited material doesn’t belong on Wikipedia. This rule applies to your edits! Zanahary (talk) 00:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

::::::you too then. it's an underreported issue, not honouring where some knowledge comes from, on wikipedia. this platform really needs to be decolonized. it frames eurocentric ways of knowing as hegemonic/dominant and if that's the "knowledge being made free" for the world, it's just another colonial tool :/ Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 20:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

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Kikila -- {{u|Zanahary}} is a distinguished Malagasy editor who does not deserve to be treated this way. Check out editors contributions before making such assumptions. Here at WP, one of our most important behavioral guidelines is: Assume Good Faith (read WP:AGF), and our policy on Civility (see WP:CIVILITY is not optional. Please treat others with respect. You may be very surprised how many wonderful editors there are here; not everyone is the enemy. Thank you. Netherzone (talk)

File:Information orange.svg Please do not attack other editors, as you did at :User talk:Kikila mai Tawhiti. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing.

Please do not make personal attacks towards other editors, as you did so by implying that {{u|Zanahary}} supports white supremacy. I have noticed that you have made similar comments elsewhere on the encylopedia. Please read and abide by our behavioral guidelines and policies. Netherzone (talk) 22:40, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I recommend that you look at the following to improve your citations so that you can make them more useful to readers, particularly when you can provide online links.

• Help:Footnotes: pay attention to reusing named references
• Wikipedia:Citation templates for a how-to-guide
• {{url|https://search.worldcat.org/}} to look up book ISBNs & OCLC #s for articles, books, theses, & other items; sometimes you can locate online sources such as ebooks at the Internet Archive.
• {{url|https://citer.toolforge.org}} to generate citation templates once you have a URL, ISBN, DOI, or OCLC #.

You can also have a look at Wikipedia:VisualEditor to see how to enable & use VisualEditor, including generating citations through a URL, ISBN, or DOI. Peaceray (talk) 21:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey there,

I noticed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taro&diff=prev&oldid=1224996934 this edit of yours] on Taro, where you add that Indonesia is perpetuating a genocide. This is irrelevant to the eating of taro in New Guinea, as evidenced by the cited source having nothing to do with taro. Check out WP:SYNTH for why this kind of thing can't be done. Zanahary (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

File:Information orange.svg Please do not attack other editors, as you did at :Talk:Yurok. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Yuchitown (talk) 01:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I’m sure you’re aware that Wikipedia’s policies won’t move to abandon the prioritization of sources based on institutionalized structures of knowledge (academia, formal publication in the forms of edited books and newspapers, etc.) that you view as oppressive. You might consider starting a new project—perhaps a fork of Wikipedia—with sourcing principles that align with your ideas. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 21:05, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:I write this because it seems that the theme of your edits to Wikipedia is that you fundamentally disagree with our content policies, which you consider to advance dispossession and harmful marginalization of forms of knowledge. The Wikipedia project and its editor community at large agrees on these principles, so you’ve been unable to make basically any difference to the encyclopedia, as your edits are often reverted for violating WP:OR, and your arguments on sourcing are not taken into account as they go against the long-standing consensus here represented at WP:V. If you want to make an impact, you’ll have to do it off Wikipedia, or make a different kind of impact that is compatible with Wikipedia (like, for instance, writing articles and contributing content compliant with Wikipedia’s content policies that expands access to information about indigenous groups—this is how I started writing Wikipedia, when I wrote masonjoany). ꧁Zanahary꧂ 21:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

::isn’t that exactly why it needs to be interrupted in even the smallest ways? Kikila mai Tawhiti (talk) 04:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:::No, not at all. That this form of organization is hegemonic does not mean it needs to be replaced with a new hegemony, or have its prominence hollowed and refilled with models you prefer. They can coexist, and the existence of Wikipedia does not preclude the existence of another project more in line with what you hope to see, just as the existence of indigenous systems of knowledge do not need to be interrupted to make room for Wikipedia-like structures. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 13:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)